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FK4 said:
Maybe it was done right, but I doubt it.
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Why?

Dislike Wynn for apparent sleaziness all you want in having bought parcels from some extremely shady characters. But you're going to have to do better than "well, he's sleazy, so I have an intuition that he was probably criminally negligent in decontaminating the site." That's some criminally weak reasoning.
 
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DBM said:
Why?

Dislike Wynn for apparent sleaziness all you want in having bought parcels from some extremely shady characters. But you're going to have to do better than "well, he's sleazy, so I have an intuition that he was probably criminally negligent in decontaminating the site." That's some criminally weak reasoning.
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Plus, its very high profile and providing a luxury service. Any wiff of contamination is going to hurt his bottom line so hard.
 
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DBM said:
Why?

Dislike Wynn for apparent sleaziness all you want in having bought parcels from some extremely shady characters. But you're going to have to do better than "well, he's sleazy, so I have an intuition that he was probably criminally negligent in decontaminating the site." That's some criminally weak reasoning.
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Nope, it's not, in fact, it's making a very logical connection: when a project controlled by someone known to be sleazy has an eyebrow raising swiftness about some element of the process, eyebrows are raised for a reason. Might not be true, but to make the connection is not illogical at all.
 
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FK4 said:
has an eyebrow raising swiftness about some element of the process
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OK, so, here's the press release about the end of the soil decontamination phase. Let's assume for argument's sake it's not lying.

http://www.wynnbostonharbor.com/files/WynnSoilRemovalComplete4-04-17.pdf

7 months--that's between 150-210 working days, depending on if they worked weekends. What makes that "eyebrow raising"? Contextualize it within a spectrum of other comparable projects that were required to remove a similar amount of decontaminated soil, from similar sites, etc., etc.

If you can't do a contextualization, then again, you're falling back on completely subjective, impressionistic, "I've got a funny feeling about this one" speculation. Which again, is terrible reasoning.

If, however, you have extensive professional experience overseeing these kinds of decontamination jobs and you can summon that background to buttress your argument--do share! [seriously]
 
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DBM said:
OK, so, here's the press release about the end of the soil decontamination phase. Let's assume for argument's sake it's not lying.

http://www.wynnbostonharbor.com/files/WynnSoilRemovalComplete4-04-17.pdf

7 months--that's between 150-210 working days, depending on if they worked weekends. What makes that "eyebrow raising"? Contextualize it within a spectrum of other comparable projects that were required to remove a similar amount of decontaminated soil, from similar sites, etc., etc.

If you can't do a contextualization, then again, you're falling back on completely subjective, impressionistic, "I've got a funny feeling about this one" speculation. Which again, is terrible reasoning.

If, however, you have extensive professional experience overseeing these kinds of decontamination jobs and you can summon that background to buttress your argument--do share! [seriously]
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Considering there was a giant hole in the ground where all the contaminated soil used to be I'd say oversight of the removal of contaminated soil was pretty straightforward and can be measured by the number of train cars full of contaminated soil being shipped elsewhere. The big hole and all the activity to remove the soil was visible to anyone who bothered to drive or take the train by there.
 
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tangent said:
Considering there was a giant hole in the ground where all the contaminated soil used to be I'd say oversight of the removal of contaminated soil was pretty straightforward and can be measured by the number of train cars full of contaminated soil being shipped elsewhere. The big hole and all the activity to remove the soil was visible to anyone who bothered to drive or take the train by there.
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Which makes it seem to me that not only would it simply be safer from a PR stance to not mess around with this, its also stupidly easy: just dig a big hole until the jobs done.
 
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odurandina said:
^^a shame isn't it, Steve Wynn isn't the boss of the State's air rights projects.

imagine if we had a player who actually understands 'money' running them.
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Unfortunately (from a get it done perspective), they do understand the costs and coordination involved in an air rights project. The extra costs are probably in the same ballpark as working on a site like this that needs extensive remediation on the waterfront.

If Boston had put forward a downtown prime location air rights site for the casino instead of Suffolk Downs it would have gotten done. An exclusive casino license acts like a subsidy in terms of attracting investment and overcoming extra costs like that.

Until every square inch of land on solid ground around Boston is developed to a maximum extent then air rights projects are going to need to be subsidized in some way if people want them to get done sooner rather than much much later.
 
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Wynn on CNBC now talking about his Boston investment
 
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DBM said:
OK, so, here's the press release about the end of the soil decontamination phase. Let's assume for argument's sake it's not lying.

http://www.wynnbostonharbor.com/files/WynnSoilRemovalComplete4-04-17.pdf

7 months--that's between 150-210 working days, depending on if they worked weekends. What makes that "eyebrow raising"? Contextualize it within a spectrum of other comparable projects that were required to remove a similar amount of decontaminated soil, from similar sites, etc., etc.

If you can't do a contextualization, then again, you're falling back on completely subjective, impressionistic, "I've got a funny feeling about this one" speculation. Which again, is terrible reasoning.

If, however, you have extensive professional experience overseeing these kinds of decontamination jobs and you can summon that background to buttress your argument--do share! [seriously]
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Ok - I should have added that I have no idea how long a process like this takes normally... my initial reaction was in response to a post saying they'd somehow taken care of it in record time. That may be wrong and utter hatred of this horrific monstrosity, as well as the man himself who is the epitome of sleaze, certainly influenced my readiness to believe that. I will just leave it at this: if anything on this particular project does, factually based, seem way too good to be true, eyebrows should be raised.
 
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That second to last pic of Bee Line's is nuts. So much going on. Is none of that steel for the main, hotel high rise portion of the development?
 
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FK4 said:
Ok - I should have added that I have no idea how long a process like this takes normally... my initial reaction was in response to a post saying they'd somehow taken care of it in record time.
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The steel is going up fast. The brownfield cleanup took a good 7 months. like other's have said, this isn't difficult to scrutinize. I watched them dig a giant hole every day for months from my offices in the Partners building. They poured a lot of man-power ($$$) into that cleanup, and I saw it with my own eyes. It just wouldn't make sense to cut corners when they're pouring that much money into the cleanup, from a risk-benefit analysis point of view. Any small money they would save is 1. a drop in the bucket compared to the overall cost of the project and 2. that level of fraud could end up costing them way more money down the line.
 
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Boston, Cambridge, Somerville, Malden.....

have we ever seen this many cranes?

can anyone know the number?
 
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I'm kind of confused by the 2 buildings. Which one is the actual casino?
 
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Looks like Wynn is pushing for a 4am last call...

>>Citing the need to be competitive in a business with narrow margins, Wynn Boston Harbor is pushing strongly for a provision in the State Budget that would allow them to serve liquor on the gaming floor for an extra two hours at night – until 4 a.m.

http://www.everettindependent.com/2...ing-for-special-limited-4-a-m-liquor-license/
 
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^ Let them have it if they agree to require the driver of every car leaving the garage to blow into a breathalyzer.
 
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eswwaa said:
Looks like Wynn is pushing for a 4am last call...

>>Citing the need to be competitive in a business with narrow margins, Wynn Boston Harbor is pushing strongly for a provision in the State Budget that would allow them to serve liquor on the gaming floor for an extra two hours at night – until 4 a.m.

http://www.everettindependent.com/2...ing-for-special-limited-4-a-m-liquor-license/
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Odd that Wynn would need this since other New England casinos seem to abide by the 2AM cutoff for booze. However, its a sign of things to come. If he's getting concessions from the state already before the place even opens, how long do you figure before he comes back to lower his tax rate?

If I'm a shareholder in his company, I say go Wynn. This is smart business. If you're expecting a tax windfall as a resident....

Its going to be real easy for him to get his way with the legislature. A few free comps and jobs for the unemployable relatives of people like DeLeo and he most likely gets his contributions to the state reduced.
 
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