Franklin Park - White Stadium Renovation

Chickenman said:
I have never heard of a sockeye in my life, no. As far as I'm concerned, salmon's just salmon. Maybe it's different in Seattle, but again, you run into the same issue that the Guardians have.
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No. Sorry. Literally just look at your local grocery store's seafood section. Every grocery store carries it. The wholesale clubs carry it.

stick n move said:
Sockeye salmon are native to the pacific northwest, a Kraken is a mythical octopus from scandinavian folklore, what the hell does that have to do with seattle lol?
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That being said, come on. You can't rail against guardians and commanders for being to bland and seriously pitch sockeye over kraken. I'd take any of those three over the Golden Knights. High school team name. At least the guardians and commanders have some connection to their cities.
 
stick n move said:
Sockeye salmon are native to the pacific northwest, a Kraken is a mythical octopus from scandinavian folklore, what the hell does that have to do with seattle lol?
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I love how everyone wears red colored socks in Boston, especially around all those brown bears we see all the time.

Anyhow, yes, the name sucks. Why not just call it "Boss FC" or "Boss Town FC" - those would sound awesome. Marketing by committee, and I suspect they're going to find the limits of its appeal and change it, if not before the team debut then not long after. They'll be the Boston Breakers within a decade, or more likely "Breakers FC" because MLS, NWSL et al. all feel some odd obligation to conform with international naming conventions even though Americans love the "Location - Nickname" format.
 
Arenacale said:
I love how everyone wears red colored socks in Boston, especially around all those brown bears we see all the time.

Anyhow, yes, the name sucks. Why not just call it "Boss FC" or "Boss Town FC" - those would sound awesome. Marketing by committee, and I suspect they're going to find the limits of its appeal and change it, if not before the team debut then not long after. They'll be the Boston Breakers within a decade, or more likely "Breakers FC" because MLS, NWSL et al. all feel some odd obligation to conform with international naming conventions even though Americans love the "Location - Nickname" format.
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The red sox are called the red sox because the team wears….. red socks. Like when youre watching a game and say my team is the blue jerseys, theyre the team with the red socks, makes perfect sense. Has a utilitarian simpleness to it as well.
 
I don't hate the name, but I think it would be best if a nickname establishes itself pretty quickly. That said, they chose an anagram of Bostonian. Bostonians FC would have been a great name, no need to re-arrange the letters.
 
Reading people argue about fish and Cleveland's baseball team in a Boston architecture forum was not on my 2024 Bingo card. To further derail the thread, I would like to add that Boston's women's hockey team chose a good name in Fleet, in my opinion.
 
KCasiglio said:
No. Sorry. Literally just look at your local grocery store's seafood section. Every grocery store carries it. The wholesale clubs carry it.



That being said, come on. You can't rail against guardians and commanders for being to bland and seriously pitch sockeye over kraken. I'd take any of those three over the Golden Knights. High school team name. At least the guardians and commanders have some connection to their cities.
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To be clear I’m not pitching anything, that was the most popular name at the time with fans and ranked #1 on Sports Illustrated so I just threw it out there as an example, Kraken was ranked last. Tbh both names suck but at least one relates to the area. If I had to personally choose a name that I wanted to “pitch” I would actually have to sit down and think about it for longer than 2 seconds.

Aaaanyways, I think most people agree that bos nation fc is a horrible name and apparently theres already a petition to change it lol. I hope they do.
 
stick n move said:
The red sox are called the red sox because the team wears….. red socks. Like when youre watching a game and say my team is the blue jerseys, theyre the team with the red socks, makes perfect sense. Has a utilitarian simpleness to it as well.
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No, they're not. They're called the Red Sox because the owner thought red was more marketable than blue (which was the color of socks they wore for the first seven years of their existence) and when the crosstown NL team switched from red socks to white, he decided to steal both the look and the name. And for the vast majority of the team's history, they've worn tricolor socks that are red, white, and blue.
 
mass88 said:
Boston Uprising FC or SC
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Boston Uprising was the name of Kraft's Overwatch eSports team a couple years back. Seeing as they weren't that good and an eSports team, maybe we should retire that one for now.
KCasiglio said:
No. Sorry. Literally just look at your local grocery store's seafood section. Every grocery store carries it. The wholesale clubs carry it.
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It's not the Chicago Heifers or even the Tampa Bay Devil Rays anymore. Sockeyes might have worked, but maybe the Seattle Salmon?

All in all, I hope we get a change soon. Breakers or Coven or something better than BOS Nation. I'm already a member of the Red Sox nation ♫ it's a kind of a family ♫
 
stick n move said:
Aaaanyways, I think most people agree that bos nation fc is a horrible name and apparently theres already a petition to change it lol. I hope they do.
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I think most people agree that they couldn't possibly care any less about this subject. In fact, the lousy name probably belongs in the "win" column because at least people are talking about the team. The first step to bringing in potential fans is making sure they're even aware of the team's existence in the first place. For a fledgling league like this competing in a saturated sports market, any publicity is good publicity.
 
BronsonShore said:
No, they're not. They're called the Red Sox because the owner thought red was more marketable than blue (which was the color of socks they wore for the first seven years of their existence) and when the crosstown NL team switched from red socks to white, he decided to steal both the look and the name. And for the vast majority of the team's history, they've worn tricolor socks that are red, white, and blue.
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How Boston got its red socks & a nickname​


“In December 1907, Boston “Americans” owner John I. Taylor met with a sporting goods supplier to order uniforms for the upcoming season.

Noting that the city’s National League entry had abandoned its dashing red stockings, Taylor decided to model his uniform with them.

According to research in “Red Sox Century,” Taylor settled on grey uniforms trimmed in red with pale blue stockings on the road. But at home, the Red Sox would have white uniforms with bright red stockings.”

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2024 opening day photo from the red sox instagram:

 
They've already got billboards up so it might be too late to fix the name (despite this Change.org petition that's gotten over 1k signatures since yesterday).

Edit: the one on the right might actually get revised soon, according to this Globe article: Boston’s NWSL team, BOS Nation FC, ditches 'Too Many Balls' promotional campaign after backlash. So maybe there's hope yet...

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Chickenman said:
I have never heard of a sockeye in my life, no. As far as I'm concerned, salmon's just salmon. Maybe it's different in Seattle, but again, you run into the same issue that the Guardians have.
At least to me, having a team name with a "powerful" presence, not really sure how to put it exactly, is important for the more intense and violent sports like football & hockey. Naming a team after salmon, just doesn't have the impact that teams for those sports deserve. I guess teams like the Cardinals and Browns would also fall under the same criticism, but they're some of the oldest teams in the league so I give 'em a pass.
In that sense, I think the Kraken fit perfectly. A powerful beast of the sea, to represent a maritime city. No, it doesn't have its origins in Seattle, but how many Brown Bears do you see in New England? How many Tigers in Detroit? And so on.
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Sockeye is common and is on all the packaging and alsso the fish counter. its a type of salmon, and salmon is not just salmon, different colorations, sizes....tastes
 
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One demonstrator dressed up as the Dr, Suess character The Lorax, who “speaks for the trees”.

Protesters are urging the city to stop the renovation, which will allow the stadium to be the home for the city’s new professional women’s soccer team.
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Say what you want about THESE particular NIMBYS - and I have - but they are good. They are wicked good. They have someone community activist to dress up like the Lorax to make a point. That is good.

See? Whenever the White NIMBYS are threatened by change, they just use their wealth to leverage their hysteria. For the less than 2% black population that still lives in that area, they go for the heart. The Lorax. Wow.

Now we have to ask. What’s wrong with Bos Nation playing at Nickerson Field or building over at The Track at New Balance. I could be wrong but maybe just let White Stadium rot? And then when it crumbles, the city can “come to the rescue” on its own free time. But just let White Stadium stay as is and build somewhere else. And then when that group of people over in Allston-Brighton complain, then the next neighborhood will complain. Then eventually, we can realize that Massachusetts is just an escape for people with disposable incomes to escape their city. Because that’s the crux of the NIMBY mindset.

“Boston is a small city and I have to get away from the big city, and anyone who proposes anything too big and complex will be met with a major tantrum.”

You can’t help a group of people who don’t want their minds changed.
 
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NHMaples said:
If this is really about 150 trees, the solution would seem to be for the city to plant 150 trees elsewhere. The Lorax can help choose the location.
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I'm curious about this particular track of NIMBYism. I haven't seen detailed enough plans to be sure, but my assumption is that the project will require tree removal in and around the Grove. This area is currently not useable as a park space, because it is overgrown with trees that likely had nothing to do with Olmstead's meticulous plans. The entire Playstead/Grove/White stadium portion of the park was meant for active recreation. Lack of maintenance led to a stand of trees taking over the center point of this section of the park. I'm not so sure restoring it to the original purpose is a bad thing, particularly in a park that has thousands of trees.
 
kingofsheeba said:
Say what you want about THESE particular NIMBYS - and I have - but they are good. They are wicked good. They have someone community activist to dress up like the Lorax to make a point. That is good.
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Is that good? Dressing up like the Lorax seems.... dumb and childish and missing the point of a straightforward kids book. I doubt that actually persuades anyone.
kingofsheeba said:
For the less than 2% black population that still lives in that area, they go for the heart.
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Your number is way off. I confess, I don't know exactly what point you're trying to make, but if racial/ethnic statistics are important for you, you can find some Boston demographic info here. In the immediately adjacent census tracts, the Black population is between 10% and 58%. A couple of the tracts are majority Hispanic. Most of the neighborhood is really diverse.
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ritchiew said:
Is that good? Dressing up like the Lorax seems.... dumb and childish and missing the point of a straightforward kids book. I doubt that actually persuades anyone.

Your number is way off. I confess, I don't know exactly what point you're trying to make, but if racial/ethnic statistics are important for you, you can find some Boston demographic info here. In the immediately adjacent census tracts, the Black population is between 10% and 58%. A couple of the tracts are majority Hispanic. Most of the neighborhood is really diverse.
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If it’s growing, then I take it back. I always assumed that most of the black Boston ppl moved to other parts. I’m glad it’s coming back. My point was about how there are different types of NIMBYism. White NIMBYism and black NIMBYism.

White NIMBYism is backed by money and black NIMBYism is built on community grassroots for the most part.

Also, you have to have ice water in your veins to not be moved by the Lorax.
 
kingofsheeba said:
Now we have to ask. What’s wrong with Bos Nation playing at Nickerson Field or building over at The Track at New Balance. I could be wrong but maybe just let White Stadium rot? And then when it crumbles, the city can “come to the rescue” on its own free time. But just let White Stadium stay as is and build somewhere else.
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Because under the current plan a private entity is funding the renovation of a publicly-owned facility, which will directly result in material benefits to the school district? While I don't begrudge neighbors who are nervous, this is unambiguously good for the city as a whole, I'm so confused about the negative reaction from so many people here.
 
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