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Seems to me this was exactly that moment that those interior and exterior levers were there for, and that deep down I knew I'd noticed them on past trips. Had I been there, inside or out, I'm the kind of guy who pulls them just slightly ahead of general panic (I base this on having pushed emergency stop button on a WMATA escalator about 2 seconds before everyone else realized that something was seriously, seriously wrong, only when hearing the stop-buzzer)

If there was general "agreement" that things were bad enough to kick out windows, this is that moment when you'd have wished that the availability of the levers was more widely known. Indeed once the first window was kicked out, things were only going to get worse, and lots of door openings would have been a good thing.
 
T statement:
http://www.mbta.com/about_the_mbta/news_events/?id=6442455811&month=&year


Statement from GM DePaola on the Orange Line incident

Start Date: 2/17/2016

"Following last night's incident involving two Orange Line trains, the MBTA is immediately incorporating a more thorough exterior check of body panel hardware as part of regular maintenance work on Orange Line cars.Bolts and rivets of body panels will now be examined every 12 thousand miles, which is approximately every 8 or 9 weeks, when Orange Line cars are taken into a garage for scheduled comprehensive maintenance. This maintenance already includes checks of the safety system, evacuation equipment, propulsion system, brake system, suspension system, communication system, doors, wheels, lights, seating, and other interior compartment items.

It is believed that last night a body panel fell off the side of an Orange Line car and onto tracks near State Street Station because the panel's fastening fixtures had deteriorated.

Just after 8:30 pm, Orange Line Train 1317 was traveling southbound on approach to State Street Station when a 12 inch by 12 foot body panel near the bottom edge of one of its cars fell onto the tracks. The train ran over this panel, causing the train to become disabled as it entered State Street Station. It is believed the body panel struck a wall and then the third rail, causing an arcing event, which led to a residual smoke situation. All passengers disembarked in an orderly manner, and the train was taken out of service. At the time, MBTA officials were not aware that a piece of metal falling onto the tracks was the cause of this situation.

Meanwhile, a second train, Train 1217, was approximately six minutes behind Train 1317. As Train 1217 traveled toward State Street Station, it also struck the piece of body panel that was still on the tracks. The impact caused an arcing event leading to another smoke situation. Train 1217 became disabled and was not yet properly berthed at the platform area at State Street Station when smoke was seen by passengers. Several emergency alarms were pulled by passengers onboard who became rightfully concerned. Because Train 1217 was not fully to the platform, the doors were automatically in the lock position, causing some concerned passengers to disembark by using doors at the end of some of the train cars and by kicking out windows and crawling out of the train.

Each of the trains involved in the incident last night had a six car set. It is not known how many passengers were onboard each train. There were no reports of injuries.

Out of an abundance of caution, the body panels on the entire Orange Line fleet were checked immediately after the incident. As a result of the inspection, crews further secured 13 panels on 120 cars. The Orange Line fleet resumed regular service for today's morning commute.

Last September, the administration broke ground in Springfield for a $95 million railcar manufacturing facility to construct new subway cars. The facility is scheduled to be completed by the end of 2017 and a contract has already been signed by the MBTA to replace all cars in the Orange Line fleet. The first new Orange Line cars are expected to be delivered in December 2018.

Four new cars are scheduled for delivery each month until December 2022 at which time the fleet will have been replaced and the number of cars in the fleet will have been expanded to a total of 152. The average lifetime miles for an Orange Line car in service now is 1.6 million miles.

The MBTA has also signed a contract to replace cars on the Red Line and the Green Line. Red Line production delivery starts November 2019 and ends June 2022 and Green Line Type 9 car production delivery will start March 2018 and end August 2018.

A full investigation has begun into all aspects of the incident last night involving Train 1317 and Train 1217. The MBTA's operations group, the vehicle engineering group, and the engineering and mechanical group will look at issues including the actions of MBTA personnel, communication with passengers, repair and maintenance protocols, and condition of track and other capital assets.
 
Just after 8:30 pm...a second train, Train 1217, was approximately six minutes behind Train 1317.

As a regular Orange Line rider, I find this hard to believe. It's usually 10-12 minute headways at that hour.
 
I will be so bloody glad when those old cars are replaced!

They've been in use since about '80 or '81. That was when The El was still being used. Thirty-three years total! And they still have at least a little over 2 more years to go before they start being replaced with the new cars.
 
Forgive my ignorance, but why wouldn't an arcing event trip a breaker of some sort? Or would a short burst of arcing be enough to cause all that smoke?
 
The "skin" of the train. All the metal you are looking at when you are looking at the train.

The side sill on the Orange Line cars, the frame at floor level, is shaped like an i-beam. There is insulation material that fills the web of the beam. There is a thin sheet metal "skirt" that is placed over the sill, the exterior of that skirt is the gray painted part of the carbody at the floor level of the cars. The insulation material absorbs water, from leaky roofs, from the floors. That has caused the skirts to rot from the inside out. There has been a program in place to replace the skirts, as part of work also being done on the floors, but it usually takes about 4-5 weeks per car and like a lot of things at the T, has not been funded as robustly as it should be. (It was a rotted skirt that fell off the car in the incident).
 
Forgive my ignorance, but why wouldn't an arcing event trip a breaker of some sort? Or would a short burst of arcing be enough to cause all that smoke?

Fenway -- depends on the amount of arcing -- the breakers have to be able to carry the surge current of the 6 car trains starting from rest -- that is a lot of current

The arc may not have drawn that much more current and if the material was thin it might have burned through or if the peak current draw persisted for long enough then the thermal overload mode of the breaker might have been activated

By the way depending on the materials a lot of smoke can come from a minimal amount of heating
 
Went to one of the Northeastern talks on Boston, this evening. Stephanie Pollack was one of the speakers. Boy, she talks really, really fast.

She seems to have a good head on her shoulders but excuse my pessimism, it's hard to see anything improving during my lifetime. Too much debt, too many projects, too many politicians.
 
The Orange was also a mess this morning. There were track problems near Back Bay around the same time all of this was happening, which combined with a lot of riders attempting to transfer from the CR because of those CR issues.
 
Well, at least the Red line is.....oh.

For me, the total delay was 30-40 minutes. Not as bad as expected considering issues on both lines and the transfer in the middle considering my 8:07 from Middleboro/Lakeville terminated at Braintree where we had to transfer to the Red Line (not the easiest transfer) which stopped for 5-10 minutes extra at every station until JFK/UMass. At each stop the operator apologized profusely for the "traffic" and at South Station he apologized once more and wished us all a pleasant day. Even the Red line wasn't as crowded as I had expected. Obviously not a wonderful experience at all, but not as bad as it could have been.
 
This has NOT been a good week for the MBTA transit-wise. Whether the winter weather has or had anything to do with it, that remains to be seen.

But nevertheless, it is almost as though the massive problematic delays that had crippled the system last winter, seems to have reared its ugly head again.

I think that is is just old dilapidated antiquated equipment that should've been replaced eons ago. :eek:
 
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Union apologists, care to 'splain this one away?

I'm no fan of the unions, but how are they at all involved here?

The Red Line had a train break down. Amtrak (not the MBTA) had a signal problem at South Station. Neither of them have much relation to the unions. If you're going to be assigning fault, the giant maintenance backlog/ancient trains are the obvious source of blame.
 
I'm no fan of the unions, but how are they at all involved here?

The Red Line had a train break down. Amtrak (not the MBTA) had a signal problem at South Station. Neither of them have much relation to the unions. If you're going to be assigning fault, the giant maintenance backlog/ancient trains are the obvious source of blame.

+1. The MBTA needs to get to a SGR or this will continue to happen.

I ended up taking an Express Bus instead of the CR this morning. It didn't seem like I was the only one who made that switch today. Frustrating.
 

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