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So the last-ever freight train has rumbled through Allston and Cambridge. CSX job B721, the daily Framingham-Everett local to Everett Terminal that until 3 months ago also used to serve Houghton Chemical at Beacon Park (Harvard settlement w/Houghton ended their rail service), has been sold off. Starting next week Pan Am will now be folding the ex-CSX loads onto the back of their own Everett daily that comes in via the Lowell Line. This was a long expected move since the job is no longer all that profitable for CSX being staged from Framingham instead of Beacon Park.

Inner Worcester Line and Grand Junction are now exclusively T and Amtrak traffic. Quite a change from 5 years ago when there were 28 daily freights scheduled between Framingham and Beacon Park.
 
Here's the final B721 run...

Monday, 11/05.

CSXT 6232 with 3 loads and 16 empties Framingham to Everett.

Went back with 8 loads, clearing the Grand Jct Running Track for
the last time at 11:43PM.
 
Quite a change from 5 years ago when there were 28 daily freights scheduled between Framingham and Beacon Park.
How many freights on the Grand Junction (through Cambridge) were there back then? And is it time to go to the abutters and tell them that its time that (at least in their expectations) we're going to be swapping the former freights for some future passenger moves.
 
How many freights on the Grand Junction (through Cambridge) were there back then? And is it time to go to the abutters and tell them that its time that (at least in their expectations) we're going to be swapping the former freights for some future passenger moves.


Just the same daily B721, which used to originate from Beacon Park. NECCO on Mass. Ave. stopped using their spur early-90's and what was left east of Kendall + Conrail-claim biz in Chelsea was kaput by 1990 +/- 2.
 
I can only speak from 1979 on. Conrail ran two freights - The regular WNBP-10 (which was B721, but based out of NEP) and the so-called "Cottage Street" job that didn't run much at that point. Of course, CR used the passing siding between Mass Ave and Memorial Drive as overflow storage of intermodal flats. The Cottage St job was pretty much gone by 1980.
 
Grand Junction Railroad

Do we have a cost estimate for the bridge that would be needed to carry the Grand Junction dead head traffic from West Station to the edge of the Charles River as the greater Allston Interchange area gets rebuilt, and an estimate of what sort of south side maintenance infrastructure that same money could build?

I'm thinking the most cost effective way to rebuild the throat between the Allston Interchange and the BU bridge potentially involves building south side commuter rail maintenance infrastructure to remove the need to send south side equipment to the Boston Engine Terminal in Somerville so frequently, along with eliminating Soldiers Field Road / Storrow Drive between the Allston Interchange and Charlesgate.
 
The size of the commuter rail easement at Beacon Park was chopped down to 8 trainsets last year and asterisked that further land negotiations with Harvard were possible. Since the community advocacy for the interchange doesn't like the layover yard widening the gash between BU and Allston, they're pivoting away from Beacon Park and towards Widett Circle (30 trainsets of storage) instead.

My guess is this is tilting towards no BP yard. If they can acquire Widett it's best of all worlds anyway for ops ease and total capacity. Also the best for real estate redev because the ground-level transit easement can underwrite decking for the "Midtown" dev the Olympics couldn't swing. And if NSRL *somewhat* (but not totally) lowers the need for downtown train storage they can consolidate one of the bus garages there instead.
 
Whoa, no more freights... I’ve seen so many come through Kendall… And I don’t think I’ve ever seen a Commuter Rail train.
 
Whoa, no more freights... I’ve seen so many come through Kendall… And I don’t think I’ve ever seen a Commuter Rail train.

Potentially an observation bias. CSX B721 always held to the same mid-afternoon arrival in Cambridge right at 3:00-4:00pm so it could get through Boston Engine Terminal before the start of northside rush hour. MBTA/Amtrak moves happen daily--sometimes twice daily--but tend to be earlier or later.

I know Amtrak used to always hit Kendall every Friday at 6:00pm for a north-south swap of weekday-for-weekend Downeaster sets, because that's the one I always used to see without fail. But they've since changed up their times.
 
Allston Interchange / Throat

If we could eliminate both Soldiers Field Road and the Grand Junction Railroad track through the throat, the throat would just need to have space for the two Worcester Line tracks (30' according to Ari's post), I-90 (8 x 12' lanes is 96', plus 4 x 10' shoulders is another 40', for 136' of freeway pavement, based on numbers at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_Highway_standards), some barriers separating things (perhaps a 2' Jersey barrier on each side of I-90 plus one separating the two sides of I-90 from each other, so 6' total); Ari's post indicates the total available width is around 215', so 215' - 30' - 136' - 6' is 43' which could be available for the bike path and landscaping if we could eliminate Soldiers Field Road and the Grand Junction track.

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If we could get somewhere around 43' for bike path / park, that opens up some opportunities for separating the bike path from the pedestrian path. For this illustration, I made the sidewalk 10' wide, added a 4' bench space to separate the sidewalk from the bike path, and made the bike path 12' wide. We might want a wider bike path, so that two bicyclists can ride side by side at a comfortable pace while a third, high speed cyclist passes them without crossing the center line of the bicycle path. I also put a 10' planting strip next to the river and a 7' planting strip between the bike path and the freeway. I suspect the exact arrangement of the 43' section could be further refined.

If the proposed West Station layover storage tracks get eliminated, rather than reallocating that space to office buildings or something, I think that space should be used for a bus station in the center of the freeway, to minimize the time I-90 buses waste when stopping at West Station. If that's 4 x 12' lanes plus 2 x 9' platforms plus an extra 2' Jersey barrier wide, that adds up to 68', which is not exactly trivial.

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If the Widett layover yard gets built, do we expect it to include a comprehensive enough maintenance facility to eliminate the need to send south side commuter trains to Boston Engine Terminal?

I created the illustrations in this post using streetmix.net CC BY-SA 4.0. Commuter rail is shown as ``light rail'' because ``light rail'' is the only rail streetmix offers.
 
Re: Allston Interchange / Throat

If we could eliminate both Soldiers Field Road and the Grand Junction Railroad track through the throat, the throat would just need to have space for the two Worcester Line tracks (30' according to Ari's post), I-90 (8 x 12' lanes is 96', plus 4 x 10' shoulders is another 40', for 136' of freeway pavement, based on numbers at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_Highway_standards), some barriers separating things (perhaps a 2' Jersey barrier on each side of I-90 plus one separating the two sides of I-90 from each other, so 6' total); Ari's post indicates the total available width is around 215', so 215' - 30' - 136' - 6' is 43' which could be available for the bike path and landscaping if we could eliminate Soldiers Field Road and the Grand Junction track.

The T retains a quad-track ROW width which, when West Station is built, will revert to tri-track with passing track just like Boston Landing. It is just the part of the easement for the layover yard that is still under negotiation for potential sale to Harvard. Under no circumstances are they ever going to give up the extra mainline track, because it'll be a critical get when traffic levels increase. They want an Amtrak train or Worcester super-express to be able to blow past stopped trains at both West and Boston Landing stations for timekeeping, and want equipment swaps coming off the Grand Junction to have room to reverse away from mainline traffic.

If the proposed West Station layover storage tracks get eliminated, rather than reallocating that space to office buildings or something, I think that space should be used for a bus station in the center of the freeway, to minimize the time I-90 buses waste when stopping at West Station. If that's 4 x 12' lanes plus 2 x 9' platforms plus an extra 2' Jersey barrier wide, that adds up to 68', which is not exactly trivial.
Keep in mind, most of the Pike express buses won't need to run any longer if you get "Indigo"-branded Regional Rail to Riverside on the Worcester Line. If that service is introduced there will be a mass pruning of Pike routes to only the fewest serving the most distinct and/or irreplaceable catchments. Bus infastructure is going to end up significant surplus-to-requirement on the highway. I'd skip that in-total.

If the Widett layover yard gets built, do we expect it to include a comprehensive enough maintenance facility to eliminate the need to send south side commuter trains to Boston Engine Terminal?
Not there. Readville is the more appropriate place for a heavy-repair facility. Widett is envisioned strictly as ground-level storage for 30 trainsets and crew quarters that can be capped with air rights. You wouldn't want to plunk any large buildings there, because it would foul the value proposition of the "Midtown" air rights on top. Widett already has the T Service & Inspection building and the car wash building there. Those facilities are all that's really needed for managing the day's in-service fleet. Work equipment and rolling stock that's offline for the day for repair doesn't need to be located downtown, so the main maint facility can be on the outskirts at Readville.

Readville has extra real estate available at Yard 2, the current commuter rail yard, and empty Yard 5. Yard 2 was envisioned as an alternate layover site as it could have +10 tracks added to its current 8 by taking a slice of the land easement granted to the recycling center next door. If the recycling center were outright evicted the facility could double in size and go all the way to the banks of the Neponset. The T is more or less set on doing something here since the land is in their full control. If acquiring Widett reduces the day storage needs of Readville to just the Fairmount and Stoughton Lines, then they can probably put the space to excellent use building a Maintenance of Way yard for storage work equipment (like the one at Alewife) and have a place on the southside to put tie/rail/ballast piles without being reliant on the northside. Yard 5 has 1.2 million sq. ft. inside its loop track, roughly the same size as BET. That, if the Dedham NIMBY's can be appeased with a sound wall, would be an ideal place to put a heavy-repair facility for EMU's and southside coaches. The loop and former connection to the Franklin Line inbound would allow for equipment to be feathered out there from either the NEC or Fairmount Line.

My guess is the only thing they wouldn't want to repair down there is diesel locomotives. Those are probably best kept consolidated under one roof at BET for cost control instead of splitting. But southside will be using a lot fewer diesels with just a few electrifications, so the equipment swaps dramatically diminish. Providence + RIDOT Providence-Westerly + Fairmount + Worcester electrification knocks out over 60% of the southside's diesel vehicle requirements.
 
When the T line is on a Saturday or Sunday schedule, do its parking rates also go to Saturday / Sunday rates?
 
When the T line is on a Saturday or Sunday schedule, do its parking rates also go to Saturday / Sunday rates?

Yes. Check per station, but they're usually half- to third-price on Sat.-Sun. schedules vs. M-F. Most do escalate to the same all-day fare when you hit >14 hours.

Sampler:

  • Alewife -- $3 Sat.-Sun. vs. $9 M-F (>14 hours defaults to $15)
  • Wellington -- $4 Sat.-Sun. vs. $9 M-F
  • Route 128 -- $3 Sat.-Sun. vs. $9 M-F (>14 hours defaults to $15)
  • Salem -- $2 Sat.-Sun. vs. $5 M-F. (>14 hours defaults to $15)


Note that that's just for MBTA facilities. Commuter rail stops with parking managed by other RTA's go by their own rules. I know BAT and LRTA keep their parking rates flat all 7 days.
 
Re: Allston Interchange / Throat

Do we know if Houghton Chemical is now transloading their shipments to truck somewhere, or if they're shutting down that facility?

Keep in mind, most of the Pike express buses won't need to run any longer if you get "Indigo"-branded Regional Rail to Riverside on the Worcester Line. If that service is introduced there will be a mass pruning of Pike routes to only the fewest serving the most distinct and/or irreplaceable catchments. Bus infastructure is going to end up significant surplus-to-requirement on the highway. I'd skip that in-total.

Does Indigo Regional Rail mean anything other than frequent service in both directions all day at the existing Newtonville, West Newton, and Auburndale stations?

I hadn't realized how limited the downtown connectivity of the Pike express buses is: most basically only stop in the vicinity of South Station, and 503's Saint James Ave @ Dartmouth St is probably close enough to Back Bay Station for a train stopping at Back Bay to be an adequate substitute.

While parts of 558's route are within walking distance of Riverside, Auburndale, and Waltham, a lot of that bus route covers areas that aren't within walking distance of a rail station. Maybe the 19 straightened out proposal could be refined so that instead of serving Watertown Sq, it would only follow the route I proposed in the other thread from Quincy to Newton Corner, and then continue along 558's route from Newton Corner to the Waltham commuter rail station. But that extended 19 wouldn't necessarily take care of the outer part of 558's route, and people who use 558 to get to the South Station area would be best served by the extended 19 if Newton Corner got a regional rail station.

The segment of 553/554 between the West Newton and Waltham commuter rail stations might be better served by a new Woodland (D branch Green Line with MetroWest connection) to Lexington Center and Burlington Mall (Lowell RTA connection) bus.

The segment of 554 from Waverly to Waltham could potentially be served by an extended 73, especially if we had battery powered buses. Perhaps that extended 73 could even continue along the Waltham to Brandeis segment of 553.

Perhaps 556's route could be kept from its outer origin point at Tomlin St @ Summit St to the Newtonville commuter rail station, and the portion to the east of Newtonville eliminated and replaced with duplicating 59's route from Newtonville to the Newton Highlands Green Line station on the D branch, and perhaps from there it could follow Walnut St to Dedham St to Baker St to Lasell St to Lagrange St to the West Roxbury station that we hope will end up with Orange Line service. Maybe it could even continue past West Roxbury Station along Lagrange to Cowing St and Washington St, continue along 40's route to the Georgetowne Housing, and cover the part of 33 to the south of Georgetowne Housing (and then 40 might possibly be eliminated).

If that's done, and if the southern part of 59 ends up basically duplicated by a Green Line branch out to Needham, maybe an extended 71 could cover the part of 59 north of I-90, and 59 running the whole length of 59 could go away.

Looking at this more carefully has made me realize that local bus service running roughly perpendicular to I-90 would work better as a regional rail feeder to replace the express buses than I'd been assuming, and I think it convinces me that existing MBTA express buses should probably be discontinued and replaced with local service instead of stopping at West Station in the long run.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Station_Bus_Terminal has a list of destinations one can get to from the intercity bus terminal at South Station. Greyhound service toward Worcester would probably benefit from stopping at West Station. Several carriers have service to New York City, but if a trip commits to stopping at West Station, that commits it to taking I-90 past West Station; for a bus serving only South Station and not West Station, there might be value in having the flexibility to either take I-90 + I-84 + I-91 or I-95 for the South Station to New Haven segment, or even staying on I-84 west of Hartford, depending on traffic conditions. Buses to Connecticut casinos potentially have similar routing flexibility in either taking I-95 or I-395.

For buses headed toward Worcester and Springfield, being able to stop at West Station with a minimal time penalty probably still has value, but if those are the only buses proceeding along I-90 that stop at West Station, their volume is probably low enough that designing high quality stops for them on the surface streets probably makes more sense than spending all the money that would be required for the I-90 median bus station.

Not there. Readville is the more appropriate place for a heavy-repair facility. Widett is envisioned strictly as ground-level storage for 30 trainsets and crew quarters that can be capped with air rights. You wouldn't want to plunk any large buildings there, because it would foul the value proposition of the "Midtown" air rights on top. Widett already has the T Service & Inspection building and the car wash building there. Those facilities are all that's really needed for managing the day's in-service fleet. Work equipment and rolling stock that's offline for the day for repair doesn't need to be located downtown, so the main maint facility can be on the outskirts at Readville.

Readville has extra real estate available at Yard 2, the current commuter rail yard, and empty Yard 5. Yard 2 was envisioned as an alternate layover site as it could have +10 tracks added to its current 8 by taking a slice of the land easement granted to the recycling center next door. If the recycling center were outright evicted the facility could double in size and go all the way to the banks of the Neponset. The T is more or less set on doing something here since the land is in their full control. If acquiring Widett reduces the day storage needs of Readville to just the Fairmount and Stoughton Lines, then they can probably put the space to excellent use building a Maintenance of Way yard for storage work equipment (like the one at Alewife) and have a place on the southside to put tie/rail/ballast piles without being reliant on the northside. Yard 5 has 1.2 million sq. ft. inside its loop track, roughly the same size as BET. That, if the Dedham NIMBY's can be appeased with a sound wall, would be an ideal place to put a heavy-repair facility for EMU's and southside coaches. The loop and former connection to the Franklin Line inbound would allow for equipment to be feathered out there from either the NEC or Fairmount Line.

My guess is the only thing they wouldn't want to repair down there is diesel locomotives. Those are probably best kept consolidated under one roof at BET for cost control instead of splitting. But southside will be using a lot fewer diesels with just a few electrifications, so the equipment swaps dramatically diminish. Providence + RIDOT Providence-Westerly + Fairmount + Worcester electrification knocks out over 60% of the southside's diesel vehicle requirements.

If we rebuilt the throat next to the Allston Interchange before any of the commuter rail system is electrified, would building the Readville maintenance infrastructure be sufficient to be able to eliminate the Grand Junction connection across the Charles? Would there be a need to buy a bit of additional rolling stock to compensate for the more difficult north side to south side moves?
 
Re: Allston Interchange / Throat

The impression I got is that the people who take the Pike express are within walking distance of a bus stop but not a rail stop, and it's a one seat trip (ie: SS or nearby). You remove the bus, they would be forced to drive to Wellesley Farms or Riverside (Auburndale CR doesn't have that much parking) or some other non-optimal two seat ride.

A theoretical Indigo does not need to have stops at the Newton ones (besides Riverside) but it would obviously make sense. It'd be a giant PITA to get the platform on the Pike's side upgraded to ADA compliance.
 
Re: Allston Interchange / Throat

The impression I got is that the people who take the Pike express are within walking distance of a bus stop but not a rail stop, and it's a one seat trip (ie: SS or nearby). You remove the bus, they would be forced to drive to Wellesley Farms or Riverside (Auburndale CR doesn't have that much parking) or some other non-optimal two seat ride.

I think I'm suggesting, instead of running express buses, running local buses to take people to commuter rail stations from the bus stops where they currently board express buses (but I'm not sure whether that was F-Line's thinking). That does still turn one seat rides into two seat rides, and if the buses and trains run with 15 minute headways and no scheduled connections, it probably adds about 15 minutes of waiting for each weekday round trip. If the trains manage to run faster and more reliably than the buses, maybe that might make up for the time wasted transferring.

It might make sense to add the Indigo service and improve local bus service and possibly also continue to run the express buses if they remain popular. However, one bus driver per 40 passengers for a long trip is expensive compared to the per passenger mile cost of a train crew, and I suspect if the express bus is priced at the same per passenger subsidy as the local bus + train and they run in parallel, ridership on the express bus will evaporate.

A theoretical Indigo does not need to have stops at the Newton ones (besides Riverside) but it would obviously make sense. It'd be a giant PITA to get the platform on the Pike's side upgraded to ADA compliance.

I think we've seen estimates that tens of millions of dollars of elevators can get the three stations upgraded to high platforms with elevators where needed. That's probably less than half the cost of keeping Soldiers Field Road between the Allston Interchange and the BU Bridge, but I get the impression that the folks working for the government think that it would be a giant pain to hold a few public hearings to discuss whether to keep Soldiers Field Road, or get rid of it and save probably at least a hundred million dollars and probably have a better Paul Dudley White Path and maybe even an I-90 with better sight lines and/or wider shoulders.
 
Re: Allston Interchange / Throat

I think we've seen estimates that tens of millions of dollars of elevators can get the three stations upgraded to high platforms with elevators where needed.

Looking at it a bit further, I don't think there would be enough room (or maybe not even fly with ADA compliance) to use the road bridges. I think you would have to build a ramp over the tracks plus the elevator and also raise the platforms itself so that it is high level. At all three stops.

The talk of converting the CR stops to ADA compliance was to use the Non-Pike side which is much easier. To have rapid service you obviously need both.
 
Re: Allston Interchange / Throat

http://amateurplanner.blogspot.com/2017/02/auburndale-is-broken-heres-way-to-fix-it.html claims $11.5 million will pay for Auburndale to have accessible full length high level platforms on both sides, including the elevators needed, even though it notes ``The Auburn Street bridge is too steep to meet design guidelines for access.''

You're certainly right to argue that I shouldn't necessarily be assuming that this implies that West Newton and Newtonville could also be upgraded to accessible, full length high level platforms on both sides for $11.5 million each, and I hadn't been thinking that through carefully.

At West Newton, if the west end of the platform needs to be widened, it might be possible to narrow the exit 16 lane.

But the curve at Newtonville might be more challenging. Maybe Newtonville could simply move west to have its platforms between the Walnut St and Lowell Ave bridges.
 
Interesting article in the Globe about bunching. No new info for transit nerds, but a good look at the problem for regular people.

20 minutes for one bus, 2 minutes for the next: Why some MBTA trips run back-to-back

The MBTA has become so reluctant to drop trips that they're really screwing up on-time performance.

I take the 131 frequently. There are two buses on the route at rush hour and they alternate every 20 mins. When they bunch (for whatever reason), you get 2 buses every 40 mins. To solve that, they just need to hold one bus at Oak Grove for 20 mins (drop one trip) and all future runs will be on time. Instead they make them go together and it stays every 40 mins. WHY.
 

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