- Dec 10, 2011
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And I think you want the realtors on your side. That puts Lechmere as the "inner belt/Brickbottom" station because it is at least on the right side of the tracks.
It would cost all of the billions there too, they just tax people enough to spend them.Evidently my fear/reticence of asking the question for a friend was well-founded
Apologies, I was thinking like a European for a moment there......I'll go check out that other thread.
While that's an interesting map, you were right when you said that the station location/names will drive neighborhood names, not the other way around. I'd side with the neighbors over the realtors 10 times out of 10.And I think you want the realtors on your side. That puts Lechmere as the "inner belt/Brickbottom" station because it is at least on the right side of the tracks.
Nope - - the COST is far less. There was an eye opening article a few months back (I'll try to find it) that showed the shocking cost difference per mile of building mass transit rail in Europe versus the US.It would cost all of the billions there too, they just tax people enough to spend them.
Yes, Paris & London teach us that the billions for new stuff should be 1/2 of what Boston pays or 1/4 of what NYC pays. And we hope that the late contracting reform we're applying to the GLX can be the start of building smarter (cheaper) new transit.So yes, Equilibria, my mistake was thinking like a European. From the article, it sounds like the new management of the T is beginning to do so also, which is a good sign for the future.
But all of the billions is still all of the billions. Does it matter that a $50 billion project would be $25 billion in London? Only if you have $25 billion to spend.Yes, Paris & London teach us that the billions for new stuff should be 1/2 of what Boston pays or 1/4 of what NYC pays. And we hope that the late contracting reform we're applying to the GLX can be the start of building smarter (cheaper) new transit.
But its not all of the billions its half. Your example of $50 billion becomes $25 billion shows that. Yes it is still a lot of money, but it is also still half the money that has to be found. This isn't an issue that we should just throw our hands up at. This can be solved by changing operating practices and adjusting how things are handled by looking at other places with lower costs. Alon who has spent a lot of time looking at this issue has suggested that part of the issue in the USA may be the reliance on outside contractors versus in house design staff. Spain for example has large in house design staffs and has much lower costs for transit projects than the USA. There are other factors as well, but if you want to learn more I would suggest checking out his blog https://pedestrianobservations.com/.But all of the billions is still all of the billions. Does it matter that a $50 billion project would be $25 billion in London? Only if you have $25 billion to spend.
Agreed. Also the way that modern concrete viaducts are, Id love to have a new El. Back when the old ones were torn down they were an eyesore, but today theyre pretty nice and you get incredible views from the trains. I wouldnt mind a new el to dudley on a concrete viaduct to restore the views that were lost. I dont think itd ever happen in a million years though.^ Yeah baby! Elevated rail lives on.
All the way from some portal, elevated through the South End would never happen, but I could see an elevated stretch between Melnea Cass and Dudley. There is room on the rest of the Washington St. section for a surface reservation.I wouldnt mind a new el to dudley on a concrete viaduct to restore the views that were lost. I dont think itd ever happen in a million years though.
The US also doesn’t invest as much in the public realm, so there is a tendency to include all the extras in projects that do get funded. Otherwise, there might not be another opportunity for more than a generation.
"..........Nearly all American urban rail projects cost much more than their European counterparts do. The cheaper ones cost twice as much, and the more expensive ones about seven times as much. The reasons for this are varied: Some arise from the character of the project (unique regulations related to commuter rail), some from state rules (California’s problem with contractors), and some from poor project management (Boston’s Green Line Extension).
Many of these problems are solvable upon a careful review of what it takes to build a new subway or light-rail line. Boston’s experience in limiting its cost overrun is instructive, and could prove to be a model for other cities. Modernizing work rules to avoid having many redundant employees, as described in detail in Rosenthal's investigation, could also provide savings. If cities overstaff tunnel construction by a factor of four, they could hire the same number of workers to build four times as much tunnel and devote the cost savings to further infrastructure improvements......"
I would agree, the most critical thing is mobilizing rigs for the drilled shafts of soldier pile & lagging walls and noise barriers.I assume that the retaining walls on the CR side can be finished after the track shift (since they are doing so in the regions they have already shifted)
Somerville Contruction Update Email said:
- Throughout the weekend of January 10, between the Washington St. bridge and the Sycamore St. bridge, GLX work crews will be relocating the first of two Commuter Rail tracks to its permanent location along the east side of the MBTA right-of-way.
- Work will continue during the day and overnight. Activities will include heavy equipment movement, hauling and dumping of crushed stone, and the cutting and welding of track. Overnight noise in these areas may be disruptive at times, primarily due to the use of gasoline-powered hand tools needed to cut tracks.
- Between Sycamore St. and Harvard St. in Medford, work continues to install drainage and construct noise walls, retaining walls, and the Broadway bridge foundation.
- On the Union Square branch, work continues to construct the foundation for the future station and a retaining wall behind Target.