Green Line Extension to Medford & Union Sq

Re: Green Line to Medford to start in 2011

I agree. To expand the Boston area transit system, tunneling is cost prohibitive, given today's tight fiscal climate. There are many locations and routes in Boston and the metro area that would accomodate an elevated line with minimal aesthetic impacts. Vancouver BC has demonstrated that very well.

+1 I think the B line after Kenmore would be a perfect candidate

The problem is when people thing of an elevated train they think of the loud, dark, and dirty trains of yore. Educating the public will take more effort than just building a subway (I'm half serious there).

Regardless of the technology what is really needed is leadership. You have to commend the pols from Somerville for never giving up the fight for this. Why doesn't Boston have the Green Line down Washington St? Because Menino didn't want it. We need new blood for the 21st century in this city.

+1 I'd love to see someone run for Mayor on the grounds that he's going to go to bat with the state about making improvements to the transit system within Boston. Given how riled up everyone has been about the T's proposals I could see that being a great way to at least get a campaign off the ground.
 
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It's not ironclad, but with LRT the current powers that be are violently allergic to any rails embedded in pavement. Not total absolute grade separation per se, as recently studied proposals like the original GLX to West Medford station and Urban Ring Phase III still retained some of the former RR grade crossings that couldn't or didn't merit elimination. But Boston's in a very regressive mode when it comes to street-running anything, while most of the new light rail systems being built in the U.S. are increasing their intermixing even vs. 10-15 years ago when grade separation was the only way. Simple truth that not even the most modern laid-out cities have enough grade separated ROW's to fashion into a meaningful system around the urban core, and partial-dedicated ROW/partial-grade crossing/partial-streetcar lines are easiest for maxing the options. Plus they quickly learned there's no traffic apocalypse or outdated old-timey anachronism to running in the street, so cities are a lot less gun-shy about that than a decade ago.

Look no further than anti-transit City Hall for this regressiveness. We'd be celebrating 20 years of restored A-line service to Oak Square if it weren't for Hizzoner making icky-poo faces at it while he was Council Prez. opposing the restoration lawsuit on behalf of a couple politically connected Brighton Ave. businesses that wanted tracks and wires ripped out. And he had his fingerprints all over the Silver Line by stubbornly pushing for no overhead wires on city streets. Like van said, Somerville getting this far with it is a testament to how long they were willing to slug it out in the ring and outlast the institutional resistance out of sheer will. Of course the T is going to take a de facto "ban" of light rail on non- picture perfect grade separation if the most influential power brokers telegraph their distaste for that from a mile away.

Leaderships: we needs new ones.


Heavy rail lines...yes, grade crossings there are if not ironclad then certainly taboo on any new construction. Only legacy systems like Chicago L still have grade crossing outliers (including w/3rd rail), but those have been reduced to the barest minimum outliers after aggressive eliminations. We'll never see a proposal like the original 1970's Orange Line Reading extension which retained many of the grade crossings by switching from 3rd rail to overhead at Oak Grove so the cost of 100% elimination could be spread over many subsequent decades.
 
Re: Green Line to Medford to start in 2011

That's an interesting concept. As a variation, how about extending the proposed Union Sq. Green Line branch out to Porter Sq on the Fitchburg RR line, but then head southwesterly along the Watertown Branch railroad, going by Fresh Pond and the Arsenal Mall to Watertown Square, using the Watertown Branch railroad right-of-way.

This would almost be like the Urban Ring, but just a bit farther out.

I wrote to the City of Cambridge's Community Development Division and they've told me the Watertown Branch is earmarked for trail development with no ETA. A possible pedestrian bridge would also span the Fitchburg Line and land on the opposite side with a connection to the Somerville and Arlington Minuteman bike-trail routes. Personally I thought recessing the Fitchbeurg Line completely in N. Cambridge makes more sense than creating another aerial bridge over that track like Alewife Brook Pkwy.
 
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I wrote to the City of Cambridge's Community Development Division and they've told me the Watertown Branch is earmarked for trail development with no ETA. A possible pedestrian bridge would also span the Fitchburg Line and land on the opposite side with a connection to the Somerville and Arlington Minuteman bike-trail routes. Personally I thought recessing the Fitchbeurg Line completely in N. Cambridge makes more sense than creating another aerial bridge over that track like Alewife Brook Pkwy.

Watertown Branch also doesn't reach Watertown Sq. before it gets encroached by adjacent buildings, so it's nearly useless as a potential transit line. The middle section of it was abandoned in 1960 long before there were landbanking laws, so only the 1996-abandoned section between Grove and School Streets is under lock and key (Cambridge leg will be when Pan Am's ongoing abandonment filing gets approved and they broker a sale to the state). If it were still intact to the Square and the 2000-abandoned Bemis Branch on the other side, the T would've certainly purchased it in 1976 when it bought out nearly all of B&M's northside trackage. But because it was cut the line was one of only 3 or 4 lines that B&M held onto. The *original* 1940's to 1960's Red Line extension proposal ended at East Watertown/Mt. Auburn St. and proposed a Mattapan-like high-speed line running north on the Branch to Alewife and Arlington Heights. Then a later western leg of that trolley line to Watertown Carhouse and A-line transfer sometime later when it was safe to displace the freight on the then-intact Branch out of Waltham.

There's a big honking new BMW dealership blocking the ROW at School Street on the midsection that reverted back to private property. Rest of it is intact (even with 50-years-abandoned rails poking through some gravel lots) but very tight. Watertown is embarking on a very novel and ambitious plan to slowly reclaim the ROW all the way to the Square by gaining narrow easements on the industrial back lots for the trail (and snaking around the BMW dealership), then slowly flipping the industrial property over course of pressure and time for mixed-use redevelopment the length of Arsenal St. with more pedestrian-friendly storefronts. As property gets redeveloped they'll seek to widen and/or buy their easements to piece back together as much of the ROW's original double-track width and buffer as possible (and it is pretty hella wide if you walk the existing trail section) until it's been totally reclaimed. That includes eventually flipping the BMW dealership, since car dealerships tend to be pretty transient tenants that don't stay in one place for more than 20 years.

Only then...and we're literally talking 2050-ish waaaay out of range of anything predictable or knowable about how Peak Oil is going to evolve...is that going to be ripe for a possible transit line. And wide enough to maybe squeeze a rail-with-trail (possible...do walk the trail if you can because it's a lot more spacious than you'd ever think). It's not even possible to hazard a guess.

In the meantime, that's going to be a VERY GOOD trail when it connects to the Alewife/Minuteman/Somerville network. Probably similar daily usage as the Minuteman out to Arlington Ctr. because of the density, Malls, and lack of direct bus connections from Alewife to Watertown Sq. This is absolutely hands-down one of the best additions to the urban trail system save for the GLX Somerville path extension. Practically a bipedal transit line. I just hope they do finally punch a better connection through from Fresh Pond to Danehy Park and Alewife and build that footbridge because it's a frustrating and somewhat dangerous gap.



Porter...you betcha that's a much higher priority for a Green Line transfer. It would be on the docket right now if the decision to split GLX into two branches instead of one that hit Union and Medford wasn't one reached within just the last 4 years when the feasibility study ruled it impossible. By that point the project scope area was set in stone and it couldn't be tacked on. But it is the next logical addition to the Green Line in the early/mid-2020's when we turn the page on some different and hopefully well-reformed fiscal era. Easy to do. The Fitchburg Line is former 4-track width all the way to Beacon St. with exception of the newer Prospect St. bridge at Union which would need an extra hole punched underneath it. Intermediate stop at Park St./Conway Park at the grade crossing.

And at Porter it can duck under in a shallow tunnel underneath the Fitchburg tracks and platform with the roof becoming the new commuter rail trackbed. GL stub platform at the commuter rail doorway in the lobby with a slight ramp down. Then lower the CR trackbed a couple feet when the tunnel undercuts it then construct new retaining walls so it can be covered up with air rights (already studied) development out to Beacon to close that canyon gash between the two cities. Linear park, buildings, Somerville Ave. driveway to Porter Exchange, etc.

It's needed. The Red Line's growth curve demands better radial relief, ultimately more than even Red-Blue alone. The ability to go in reverse-commute direction from Harvard to transfer to Green downtown saves a ton of congestion that would otherwise be slamming the gut at Park. Arlington needs much better commute options, and being able to hop 77 to Green for those destinations enhances their access and commute time a lot. It does a ton for the Somerville Ave. corridor and diverts most people off the 83 and 87. And it links a then- fully developed Northpoint to the rest of Cambridge. File this link under inevitable. Just not till the T's successfully shaken off its immediate predicament.
 
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F-Line as usual you've "got the goods" on the technical side -- I think you are optimistic on the time frame

Assuming we have a continuing recovery transitioning into traditional levels of real growth of the economy in the next 5 years -- then there will be some funds available for expansion

However -- long before there is any consideration on the kind of projects you are describing -- I think that we will see an operating Blue Line with stations in Lynn and Salem

With the current Green Line project taking up this decade to complete -- and there being no money before at least 2016 -- and there still being the remote possibility of the South Coast CR construction starting by 2020 -- I'd put the Blue Line extension into the 2030+ time frame.

That would tend to suggest that anything in North Cambridge would be into another universe (e.g. 2050+)
 
Re: Green Line to Medford to start in 2011

F-Line as usual you've "got the goods" on the technical side -- I think you are optimistic on the time frame

Assuming we have a continuing recovery transitioning into traditional levels of real growth of the economy in the next 5 years -- then there will be some funds available for expansion

However -- long before there is any consideration on the kind of projects you are describing -- I think that we will see an operating Blue Line with stations in Lynn and Salem

With the current Green Line project taking up this decade to complete -- and there being no money before at least 2016 -- and there still being the remote possibility of the South Coast CR construction starting by 2020 -- I'd put the Blue Line extension into the 2030+ time frame.

That would tend to suggest that anything in North Cambridge would be into another universe (e.g. 2050+)

Well, considering the whole system will be one giant ghost tunnel if the powers that be don't take immediate corrective action to halt the slide it kind of is a dual choice: either they're reformed, catching up on the backlog, and paying down the debt at enough comfort level to resume system expansion in 15 years...or we don't have a system at all. The rest is just fine print to that choice. I mean, it's not like the T is the only thing that's in danger of devolving into Mad Max-land in this state's public sector if we don't get some real leadership motivated by real public interests. I'm not a total enough fatalist to think the bums won't get thrown out within that multi-decade span with all that's at stake. It's too far past the people's boiling point.


They do have to follow through on their law-mandated commitments first. GL Porter would be the first logical one to tackle after the two Blue projects because of the engineering and cost ease, because of the rigorous study history for the Porter air rights, and because STEP has been advocating this as a future consideration and demanding as ironclad requirement that Union be designed to permit later extension. These towns already have the most organized urban-core transit lobby of 'em all. They've gotten results by wanting it badder than anyone else and outlasting the indifference. STEP's not going to disband itself when these GLX segments start opening.

Hell, if Hizzoner-next is nothing but an inbred spawn of the House of Menino I'd rate their chances better than Boston's at arm-twisting a later encore.
 
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F-Line -- let's see how Sommerville fairs after the Assembly Sq. and Union Sq. projects have been running for a few years

Those are the real test cases for the concept of Transit Oriented Development:
1) Union Sq. because its an existing urban core previously served by rail with quite a bit of re-development potential
2) Assembly Sq. -- because its in effect a clean-sheet design

If those work out well -- then we'll see what can be done at Porter which is still a mostly wide place in Mass Ave north of Haaaaaahvd
 
Re: Green Line to Medford to start in 2011

http://www.medfordgreenline.org/?p=460

notes from a meeting about Phase 1. most excitign part is:

"The goal is to award a Phase I construction contract in summer, with work starting in the fall. It is estimated that the Phase I work will take 18 months to complete."
 
Re: Green Line to Medford to start in 2011

Phase I includes the reconstruction of the rail bridge over Harvard Street in Medford and the rail bridge over Medford Street in Somerville, and the demolition of an MBTA building at 21 Water St. in Cambridge near the site of the new Lechmere Station.

18 months to complete two bridges?? I recall something else recently happening in the area ... oh right:

Each bridge [14 total] is slated to be closed, demolished, rebuilt, and ready for traffic in a single 55-hour span, a choreographed sprint involving 100 construction workers and a battery of heavy equipment.

Priorities, priorities, priorities...
 
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I wish they could fast track this and get construction started this summer.
 
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What will happen to the elevated portion that runs over the highway to the current Lechmere station? I remember when the elevated came down at NS. The whole area immediately looked dead. I like the look/character of the current green steel - could this section be used for pedestrians/cyclists?
 
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What will happen to the elevated portion that runs over the highway to the current Lechmere station? I remember when the elevated came down at NS. The whole area immediately looked dead. I like the look/character of the current green steel - could this section be used for pedestrians/cyclists?

The only thing that's coming down is the part that crosses over the road. They're actually lengthening the elevated.
 
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18 months to complete two bridges?? I recall something else recently happening in the area ... oh right:



Priorities, priorities, priorities...

Especially 2 bridges that have abutments pre-built for 4-track decks. This is literally slapping on the overhead steel on both and doing mop-up work. If they prep the abutments ahead of time, they could knock each off in 2 weekends. This is comparatively simpler than the Fairmount Line deck replacements that were done 2 months ago over a weekend because the existing decks on each do not need replacement.

The drainage, retaining wall, and track-shifting work around Harvard St. is understandable. But they do that stuff on the commuter rail all the time on culverts. Plenty of that type of construction work ongoing right now with the Fitchburg and Haverhill improvements.

I agree...I don't get it why this initial prep work is an 18-month deal when it's confined to 2 small locations not needing total rebuild and so many other similarly mundane projects beat the pants off this timetable.


One thing that may help out here is the Obama Admin's recent order for expediting EIS approvals on rail projects, specifically the NEC movable bridge replacements in NY, NJ, and CT. In addition to speeding things up quite a bit, that has potential to significantly defray the costs of some of the daunting NEC projects like the Portal Bridge in NJ, Connecticut River bridge, etc. If the test cases work out smoothly, then this program can be expanded to include other rail projects and highway projects on the expedited bridge fund backlog. Eyes-on-prize reason they're doing it is so EIS's on megaprojects like the Baltimore tunnel replacement and the Gateway Tunnel to NYC can corral the cost on their $B's price tag and be just a little less controversially fundable. But it dovetails with the whole infrastructure renewal effort Obama is promoting (if not exactly funding), so it's the repair list where it'll ultimately hit biggest paydirt...rail and road. The bureaucracy has simply gotten too out-of-hand on ROW's where construction fully on the footprint of a roadbed that's been there for 100+ years takes almost as maddening an approval process as if they mowing down fresh wetlands.

If it takes off it'll significantly help some MBTA projects like the Merrimack River Bridge in the shortest term (that may even make it into the test trials), and the Eastern Route movable bridges that are all deathtraps waiting to keel over at any moment. And most definitely GLX if the program expands. I wouldn't exactly expect the price tag to go down if the expedited review comes to this project--it never does--but they'll be in much better position to hold the line on budget and schedule to not risk nuclear war by delaying it a few more years. So maybe that's behind some of the timidly conservative projections for the early work. I'd watch and see how this plays out on the NEC where it's being trialed, and possibly the Merrimack bridge which may be added to the trial. If it works out well without any major snafus or untenable opposition, the feds will most certainly expand it as far as they can get away with. That might actually give the T some hope of getting more shit done with less endless inflation and mission creep on its repair and obligations list.


(Still think this is overly timid after the dynamite job they did with bridges on 93, the NEC in Hyde Park, and Fairmount within the last 9 months. They can pick up the pace quite a bit more than this.)
 
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Are two tracks enough for future commuter and Amtrak growth?
 
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Yeah. I mean Amtrak service north of the city is so sparse that even with expanded service they will have enough options. If push comes to shove then they can be rerouted via the Wildcat branch.
 
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Amtrak is already routed via the Wildcat branch
 
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Are two tracks enough for future commuter and Amtrak growth?

I'd say definitely for a long time. When it comes to routing more (or potentially all) Haverhill trains via the Wildcat and Lowell Line, then triple tracking probably becomes necessary, and/or a North-South rail-link, meaning a big jump in any service the Downeaster alone would ever see. They might be able to stick in some passing sidings, but could probably get away with just tripling between Anderson-Woburn and the Wilmington Junction.

I think that short-term, the only capacity necessary is doubling the Wildcat. I can't imagine needing to triple track the line from BET to Medford for a longggg time, when something major happens.
 
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Are two tracks enough for future commuter and Amtrak growth?

No station stops, freight sidings, or junctions the whole length of where it parallels GLX so everything speeds on through without congestion. It's not like the NEC where there's 2 branchline junctions, a large freight yard, a large MBTA storage yard, and close-spaced transfer stops like Back Bay and Ruggles all before ever exiting City of Boston. That needs 3+ tracks to sort everything out. 2-track's more than enough for a long full-speed straightaway like the Lowell Line en route to the 'burbs.

Presumably if rapid transit is ever extended north of Route 16 on the former 4-track berths like the 1945 proposal to Woburn, then it cannibalizes every CR stop it touches and flips them to the rapid-transit side while CR runs straight through and doesn't hit its first stop until the last stop on rapid transit (Anderson/Woburn if rapid transit goes 100% built out to 128).


Pokey current speeds aren't at all indicative of what the Lowell Line can do. Resignaled with Positive Train Control that's an instant 80 MPH line instead of the 60 northbound/50 southbound it currently is. Future-upgraded to full Amtrak NEC branchline standards it can do 90-110 MPH like the Keystone and Empire Corridors, and may have done that fast back in first half of the 20th century when speed limits were less restricted. As recently as 1980 it handled 3 full-time CR branches: Haverhill (all trains went via Wilmington, not Reading), Concord via Lowell, and short-turns to Woburn Center on the old Woburn Branch. Plus a planned 4th branch to Route 213/Methuen via Lawrence that was cut from the budget in 1981 months before it was set to begin. The only traffic bottleneck out to Wilmington is the awful pair of West Medford grade crossings, the last remaining on the line and next-highest priority crossing elimination project in the state after the Framingham and Ashland pairs on the Worcester Line.

It can pretty much handle as many locals or intercity trains as you can throw at it if the signaling and track class matched desired service levels. Especially if there was some plan set in molasses-slow motion to do away with the West Medford grade crossings within 15-20 years (it's one of the last ones so bad it has to have a staffed crossing tender). Only question is whether on 2035-40 time scales the traffic's going to hit critical enough mass to flip those inside-128 stops to rapid transit a la the '45 plan. Be it a light rail extended GLX or a heavy rail swap-out for an Orange Line Branch, Blue Line wraparound via Charles, or new Red Line trunk off Columbia Jct. and the N-S Link. It is 4-track width all the way to Wilmington save for these few more recent bridges that penny-pinched narrower decks. Its capacity will never be as low as it is now because nothing will cannibalize the existing tracks and the absurdly low speed limits and crappy signaling are on the FY2016 unfunded mandates for state-of-good-repair replacement.
 
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I agree...I don't get it why this initial prep work is an 18-month deal when it's confined to 2 small locations not needing total rebuild and so many other similarly mundane projects beat the pants off this timetable....One thing that may help out here is the Obama Admin's recent order for expediting EIS approvals on rail projects, specifically the NEC movable bridge replacements in NY, NJ, and CT. In addition to speeding things up quite a bit, that has potential to significantly defray the costs of some of the daunting NEC projects like the Portal Bridge in NJ, Connecticut River bridge, etc....The bureaucracy has simply gotten too out-of-hand on ROW's where construction fully on the footprint of a roadbed that's been there for 100+ years takes almost as maddening an approval process as if they mowing down fresh wetlands.... I wouldn't exactly expect the price tag to go down if the expedited review comes to this project--it never does--but they'll be in much better position to hold the line on budget and schedule to not risk nuclear war by delaying it a few more years. So maybe that's behind some of the timidly conservative projections for the early work.....)

F-Line --- the ultimate saving grace is the expected end of Davis-Bacon in the next Congress / Administration -- getting rid of that union sinecure will allow true competitive bidding on construction as firms without all the Union BS can participate

I would also expect severe review of all the EPA and other barriers to efficient and rapid construction -- the trade off will be there a lot less Federal money will be flowing as the Feds really will be cutting not just cutting rate of growth -- so the states and cities will have to find a different approach to building infrastructure -- such as getting a private investor to pay for construction in exchange for air rights or ROW land use
 
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18 months to complete two bridges?? I recall something else recently happening in the area ... oh right:



Priorities, priorities, priorities...

Shep -- it sounds like there will be quite a bit more than just the two bridges being widened and the track shifted:

Harvard St. drainage:
" + Flooding problems on Harvard Street will be addressed through the replacement of a 19th century, 24-inch water pipe that extends from Harvard Street to Granville Ave. with a 30-inch pipe, and by increasing the elevation of the bridge by about 1 foot, which will in turn allow the road surface to be similarly elevated.

+ These improvements will ease the flooding but not eliminate it; additional pipe work improvements are required on the Warner Road side of Boston Avenue, from which water drains east to the existing pipe at Harvard Street, and underneath Boston Ave. Working with the City of Medford, the project team plans to install a pipe under Boston Avenue near Granville Ave. that eventually would carry water from the west side of Boston Avenue out the new 30-inch pipe.

+ Medford City Engineer Cassandra Koutalidis attended the meeting and spoke... The area floods significantly too many times and we note there’s a very large area of draining to this spot. We’re happy to see the 30-inch pipe and the roadway alignment rising up. We’d like the T to have a provision for another crossing under the tracks down near Winchester Court or Granville for the future to try to take some of the stormwater that all ends up at Harvard Street on another route. Consider putting that pipe in place across the tracks while you’re digging....

21 WATER STREET BUILDING
+ The building (near the Glass Factory condominiums) currently houses the MBTA tire shop. It must be removed because it sits in the footprint of the relocated Lechmere Station, specifically land that is to be used for the new bus facility and for North Point Boulevard.

+ During Phase 1, the surface area of the former building will be used as a staging area and for replacement parking that will be lost at the current Lechmere Station.

+ Demolition of the building is expected to take place from March to May 2013.

+ An effort will be made to maximize recycling of the demolished materials.

CONSTRUCTION IMPACTS/MITIGATION
+ Work is expected to take place mostly between 7 a.m. and 6 p.m. weekdays. Night and weekend work will be limited. "
 

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