Green Line Extension to Medford & Union Sq

If you were to retrofit GLX stations to un-Charlie Baker them, how would you do it, while keeping the cost under control? I was just seeing people on Reddit complaining that Union square does not have any weather protection. It seems like this is as sore a subject for normal people as it is for us -- they feel like they got left out in the cold on this one, literally.
Some simple enclosed bus shelters at either end of the platform would go a long way. Wouldn't help much during rush hour, but off peak when headways are longer and wind and rain are whipping at you, some sort of horizontal shelter is needed. Fenway station (and some others on the D branch) have these with button activated heaters. This is especially a problem at Lechmere because it is elevated.
 
If you were to retrofit GLX stations to un-Charlie Baker them, how would you do it, while keeping the cost under control? I was just seeing people on Reddit complaining that Union square does not have any weather protection. It seems like this is as sore a subject for normal people as it is for us -- they feel like they got left out in the cold on this one, literally.
Maybe not the answer you're looking for, but as a frequent GLX rider, I would rather any significant funding be put towards a Mystic Valley Pkwy stop, headway improvements, or better predictions for announcing scheduled inbound trains. Waiting in the cold isn't so bad if I know how long I'm there and it's not too long.
 
I've always thought that it would be nice to enclose these areas at the entrances to use as shelters, kinda like how the D branch through Newton and Brookline has a mini shelter for the fare machines. Additional bonus being the possibility of adding fare gates back into the designs without needing to tear up too much.

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If you were to retrofit GLX stations to un-Charlie Baker them, how would you do it, while keeping the cost under control? I was just seeing people on Reddit complaining that Union square does not have any weather protection. It seems like this is as sore a subject for normal people as it is for us -- they feel like they got left out in the cold on this one, literally.
Ultimately I think Union doesn't see significant improvement until/unless it is rebuilt to accommodate an extension to Porter. That said, others are correct that there probably aren't enough people typically on the platform that relatively small enclosed shelters wouldn't be adequate most of the time.

The best-case scenario is probably whatever older stations have. At the other end of the line at Riverside I don't think people get much shelter either, and that's an elevated station with way more wind. Honestly, the best short-term improvement for Union may come from development of the buildings on either side of the tracks as a windbreak, unless the result ends up being a wind tunnel...
 
If you were to retrofit GLX stations to un-Charlie Baker them, how would you do it, while keeping the cost under control? I was just seeing people on Reddit complaining that Union square does not have any weather protection. It seems like this is as sore a subject for normal people as it is for us -- they feel like they got left out in the cold on this one, literally.
If I were god-emperor in charge of weather-protection at Green Line Stations, here is my order of priority:

1. Add open-air canopies to any Green Line station that is lacking in any shelter of any kind. This undertaking would including bringing stops like surface B-, C-, and E-Branch stops up to ADA compliance. These canopies would be simple overhead roofing and columns with no walls and would be be constructing en masse, with a copy-paste design and economies of scale as one undertaking.

2. Add fully-enclosed shelters with heating elements, like you see on many D-Branch Stations (Newton Centre inbound platform for example) to the top 10% highest ridership platforms (in practice, this would be the top 20% of stations in their inbound direction).

3. Add semi-enclosed shelters, similar to what is seen at some high-ridership bus stops, without heating elements, to the top 25% of highest ridership platforms, that aren’t in the top 10%.
 
If you were to retrofit GLX stations to un-Charlie Baker them, how would you do it, while keeping the cost under control? I was just seeing people on Reddit complaining that Union square does not have any weather protection. It seems like this is as sore a subject for normal people as it is for us -- they feel like they got left out in the cold on this one, literally.
Mostly I do not understand where there is an unsheltered walkway between the sheltered stairs and the sheltered platform at each of these stations. As a first tactical improvement I’d provide cover from the rain to these gaps (presumably that would help with maintenance too, less snow and ice to remove).
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Mostly I do not understand where there is an unsheltered walkway between the sheltered stairs and the sheltered platform at each of these stations. As a first tactical improvement I’d provide cover from the rain to these gaps (presumably that would help with maintenance too, less snow and ice to remove).View attachment 59791
Ugh, I see they took a page out of the Ashmont Design book with the annoying gap between the Trolley and Station proper.
 
Mostly I do not understand where there is an unsheltered walkway between the sheltered stairs and the sheltered platform at each of these stations. As a first tactical improvement I’d provide cover from the rain to these gaps (presumably that would help with maintenance too, less snow and ice to remove).View attachment 59791
Agreed! Open air canopies at every Green Line Station (including filling in gaps between station and platform) should be the first priority on this undertaking.
 
Mostly I do not understand where there is an unsheltered walkway between the sheltered stairs and the sheltered platform at each of these stations. As a first tactical improvement I’d provide cover from the rain to these gaps (presumably that would help with maintenance too, less snow and ice to remove).View attachment 59791
I think that is the space provisioned for when the platforms need to be extended to accommodate double type 10s, but I agree it is terrible. Get off the train > open umbrella for short walk > close umbrella to not poke anyone’s eye out on the stairs > open umbrella at the top of the stairs.
 
If you were to retrofit GLX stations to un-Charlie Baker them, how would you do it, while keeping the cost under control? I was just seeing people on Reddit complaining that Union square does not have any weather protection. It seems like this is as sore a subject for normal people as it is for us -- they feel like they got left out in the cold on this one, literally.
East Somerville is the most ridiculously designed light rail station I've ever seen, anywhere.
There's so much that could be done to make it better.
Put a countdown display on the washington st. entrance so you know how much time you have to make the hike up to the station.
Put a stairs on the north side of washington street behind the cataldo offices (actually in East Somerville) to the path and open the emergency exit at the north of the station so you can access the station from East Somerville without having to cross Washington st.
Put an entrance from Joy street straight through to the main station entrance.
Put some shelters on the platform.
God knows why they didnt light the path either side of this station.
Open the bike cage which seems to have been locked and useless for months.
Put propper bike infrastructure and street lights at the joy st/Washington st junction.
Fix the broken street lights around the station.

This station straddles ward 1 and 2 and neither Scott nor McLaughlin advocate for it.
 
East Somerville is getting a new entrance to the Inner Belt area. It’s not perfect, but it will improve the connections to the neighborhood a little bit.

The original scoping considered putting East Somerville north of Washington St, approximately where the old Milk Row B&M station was. I think it was rejected for stop spacing and land takings reasons.
 
East Somerville is getting a new entrance to the Inner Belt area. It’s not perfect, but it will improve the connections to the neighborhood a little bit.

The original scoping considered putting East Somerville north of Washington St, approximately where the old Milk Row B&M station was. I think it was rejected for stop spacing and land takings reasons.
Yep - the stations were pretty much designed to minimize cost and disruption to existing parcels of land, rather than have a optimal walkshed. Even the union square station is in the wrong place (too far east & south).. but its better than no GLX at all.
 
Yeah, I think everyone will agree that poorly designed stations are better than no stations.
For me the path has been a far greater game changer than the train.
East Somerville was hit hardest by the cutbacks.
I dont really get the inner belt entrance. I mean, yea sure, it's something and maybe one day more people will live/work down there.
But I cant believe it was the top of the list for station improvements while passengers have to schlep up from washington as the train above whizzes by.
 
Yeah, I think everyone will agree that poorly designed stations are better than no stations.
For me the path has been a far greater game changer than the train.
East Somerville was hit hardest by the cutbacks.
I dont really get the inner belt entrance. I mean, yea sure, it's something and maybe one day more people will live/work down there.
But I cant believe it was the top of the list for station improvements while passengers have to schlep up from washington as the train above whizzes by.
Wasn't that tied to the elimination of a Brickbottom stop (which at present would have been even more useless) to ameliorate the people in the lofts? I don't think it was about usage.
 
Wasn't that tied to the elimination of a Brickbottom stop (which at present would have been even more useless) to ameliorate the people in the lofts? I don't think it was about usage.
Nope, that's the new path entrance to the south of the station, which was a good addition. But again, like with the lights, it should have been there from the start.
There's no way for anyone from Brickbottom to access the new entrance (without going through the station)
It's not really for anyone at the moment, maybe a few low rize office blocks tucked right in the back of the inner belt, but 0 residences.
I get that it'll help spur development in the innerbelt but just seems like it could have been lower on the list of priorities to make the station better.
 
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It's not really for anyone at the moment, maybe a few low rize office blocks tucked right in the back of the inner belt, but 0 residences.
This isn't the purpose, but if I understand what is being built correctly, it will make for a much easier bike route to access the community path from Sullivan Square. Right now, it's kind of awkward at best, involving either biking on some sidewalk or making a challenging left turn from under the tracks. Instead, bike riders will be able to turn off Washington on to Inner Belt, then New Washington, and a straight shot to the entrance. Cut across the platform and your on the path!
 
This isn't the purpose, but if I understand what is being built correctly, it will make for a much easier bike route to access the community path from Sullivan Square. Right now, it's kind of awkward at best, involving either biking on some sidewalk or making a challenging left turn from under the tracks. Instead, bike riders will be able to turn off Washington on to Inner Belt, then New Washington, and a straight shot to the entrance. Cut across the platform and your on the path!
new washington doesnt connect to this entrance at all. You'd have to cross the CR tracks.
To get from sullivan you'd have to ride down the crappy part of Cambridge street, turn left at the holiday inn. Cycle all the way down inner belt road, through the tubes under the tracks, then go right down to the new GLX maintenance station and cut back towards the new station, then walk your bike the length of the platform.

Or just cycle from sullivan down cambridge st to the holiday inn and then stay on Washington in a bike lane, cross at Oliveras and access the path at the main entrance.

The second way would be way quicker and easier.
 
Or just cycle from sullivan down cambridge st to the holiday inn and then stay on Washington in a bike lane, cross at Oliveras and access the path at the main entrance.
Ugh, you're right. I wasn't looking very carefully at the map, so I guess I'll just go back to pining for an access ramp on both sides of Washington Street.
 

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