Green Line Extension to Medford & Union Sq

Honestly everybody everywhere plays Big City every day. I would think the reason Boston was chosen as the target was because we have a long history of cynical meta criticism and would get the joke without being thin skinned. In Herald terms… that means we can take s punch and laugh about it. This opinion is a meta critique of their meta critique. Any replies would be meta-meta-meta.
 
Do you have a specific reason to call out Chinese metallurgy or are you just being racist? (yeah yeah CRRC blows, but so did Hyundai, Breda and Boeing)

Seems like a plausible explanation for the slow zones that GLX used substandard materials and it's already falling apart.
 
Honestly everybody everywhere plays Big City every day. I would think the reason Boston was chosen as the target was because we have a long history of cynical meta criticism and would get the joke without being thin skinned. In Herald terms… that means we can take s punch and laugh about it. This opinion is a meta critique of their meta critique. Any replies would be meta-meta-meta.
Also, the joke works because Boston has tons of "Big City" stuff, for its size. Boston does actually have subways, finance, business headquarters, major universities, and cultural influence. And all way more than you'd expect for a city with this many people. Try applying the joke to other cities with similar populations and it mostly doesn't work.

Boston is a major city where I sometimes climb out of the subway and confront a pack of wild turkeys. It's a weird vibe. It's great.
 
Seems like a plausible explanation for the slow zones that GLX used substandard materials and it's already falling apart.
So as someone who works in procurement and specifically currently deals with the various "Build America Buy America" requirements, since at least 1933, but more prominently since 1982, certain construction materials that are used in federally funded infrastructure programs have been required to be entirely of US Origin; as in, almost any processing taking place outside of the US invalidates that status. Products consisting primarily of Iron and/or Steel are specifically called out, and that would include rail and its fasteners. For steel, specifically anything that occurs after the iron ore is mined or alloyed has to be done in the US - manufacturing begins with the initial melting or mixing, and continues through all processes to and including the coating stage. Similar statuses and requirements apply to lumber and concrete (including railroad ties.) All of that would have to be US content- there's no way MassDOT or its contractors who take so many federally funded projects aren't aware of that. Plus, there's no conceivable way they'd get a non-availability waiver for something as simple as rail.

(STAA §165, later 23 USC §313 and now BABA §70914)
 
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So as someone who works in procurement and specifically currently deals with the various "Build America Buy America" requirements, since at least 1933, but more prominently since 1982, certain construction materials that are used in federally funded infrastructure programs have been required to be entirely of US Origin; as in, almost any processing taking place outside of the US invalidates that status. Products consisting primarily of Iron and/or Steel are specifically called out, and that would include rail and its fasteners. For steel, specifically anything that occurs after the iron ore is mined or alloyed has to be done in the US - manufacturing begins with the initial melting or mixing, and continues through all processes to and including the coating stage. Similar statuses and requirements apply to lumber and concrete (including railroad ties.) All of that would have to be US content- there's no way MassDOT or its contractors who take so many federally funded projects aren't aware of that. Plus, there's no conceivable way they'd get a non-availability waiver for something as simple as rail.

(STAA §165, later 23 USC §313 and now BABA §70914)
Look at the side of the rail when standing at the platform. It's stamped with the date, rail weight, and steel foundry (which, as you said, would be U.S.).
 
I’ll just say this about Eng: by all accounts, he turned around the LIRR from the worst commuter rail in America to… not the worst commuter rail in America. I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and trust that he’s making good decisions based on the unique perspective he has.
 
For steel, specifically anything that occurs after the iron ore is mined or alloyed has to be done in the US - manufacturing begins with the initial melting or mixing, and continues through all processes to and including the coating stage. Similar statuses and requirements apply to lumber and concrete (including railroad ties.) All of that would have to be US content- there's no way MassDOT or its contractors who take so many federally funded projects aren't aware of that. Plus, there's no conceivable way they'd get a non-availability waiver for something as simple as rail.

(STAA §165, later 23 USC §313 and now BABA §70914)


Seems like a plausible explanation for the slow zones that GLX used substandard materials and it's already falling apart.

Looks like you’ll have to find a scapegoat elsewhere. Oh no.
 
WTF??



TAYLOR DOLVEN

September 26 at 8:04 PM ET

Less than one year after the final branch of the much-heralded Green Line extension opened for business, the MBTA said a problem with the tracks has reduced train speeds to just 3 miles per hour along stretches that add up to more than a mile.
Even by the T’s low standards in recent years, it’s an extraordinary development: Tracks that opened for passenger service to Union Square in March 2022 and to Medford last December and were shut down for repairs in recent months are now so defective, the T says, that trains are moving slower than many people walk.
T spokesperson Joe Pesaturo said the new slow zones, 11 on the Medford branch and 3 on the Union Square branch, are necessary after inspections this month found the rails are too close together at many spots. Operating trains at full speed on tracks that are too narrow risks derailment, track experts said.

But experts told the Globe that rails typically become wider, not narrower, with wear and tear.
Robert Halstead, a New York-based railroad accident reconstruction expert with Ironwood Technologies, said it’s very unusual for rails to narrow.
“You got me there,” said Halstead, who has been inspecting rail tracks for more than 40 years. “That’s something I don’t generally see.”
It was not immediately clear how long the defects have been in place.
Pesaturo said the gauge, the width between rails, on the Medford branch “has been considered narrow since the opening, but there were no known conditions that warranted a speed restriction” in recent months.
A March geometry scan of the Green Line extension tracks, which uses a machine to identify defects that might not be visible, resulted in no speed restrictions being implemented, Pesaturo said. He did not say whether that scan found problems.

But a scan in mid-June found six areas on the Medford branch and two at the “Union crossover” where the rails were “out of tolerance,” he said, without elaborating what that meant.
All of the defects identified during the June scan were addressed during the last weekend closure of the branches in June and during some overnight periods in July, he said.
This month, another geometry scan was performed, and more gauge-related issues were found on both branches, he said.
“The MBTA is working to determine the cause of these instances in which adjustments to the rails are needed to maintain the proper track gauge,” he said.
Spokespeople for the Department of Public Utilities, the T’s state safety oversight agency, deferred questions to the MBTA.
Riding on the Medford branch Tuesday, Taylor Rossi watched the landscape creep by outside her train from Medford/Tufts Station to Gillman Square in Somerville.

A GLX rider for more than a year, Rossi has come to accept occasional slow speeds, but Tuesday’s crawl was the worst she had ever seen.
”I feel like I probably could have walked faster,” Rossi said.
Outside the train, cyclists whizzed by on the community path, and pedestrians kept pace with the trolley.
Rossi said she expected the GLX, “being a newer line,” would have lasted far longer before needing maintenance. She said she had no idea what was causing the slowdowns, but she hoped they began “for a good reason: safety, things like that.”
Shutdowns for track repairs are supposed to yield faster and more reliable subway service. But on the Green Line extension, where riders endured four straight weekends in June without train service, a roundtrip from Lechmere on the new Medford/Tufts branch takes around 10 minutes longer than it did a month ago, according to the TransitMatters dashboard.
The Union Square branch is shut through Oct. 12 to accommodate repairs to a bridge on the McGrath Highway that crosses over the tracks.
The T plans to have the three speed restrictions on the Union Square branch eliminated by the time the branch reopens, Pesaturo said. Repair work to eliminate the 11 speed restrictions on the Medford branch began last week, he said.
“We’re making every effort to resume that work this week,” Pesaturo said.
The MBTA has struggled to eliminate slow zones more quickly than it adds new ones. Throughout the entire Green Line, the T added 18 speed restrictions in the last month and eliminated just one, according to its dashboard.
Dysfunction in the T’s Maintenance of Way department, which oversees track safety, is complicating efforts, a report released by the agency earlier this month found.
Maintenance of Way workers responsible for checking subway infrastructure for defects either didn’t understand their responsibilities or didn’t fulfill them and, as a result, missed dangerous problems on vast swaths of the subway as recently as March, the report by an outside expert hired by the T showed. Many workers in charge of inspecting the system’s tracks don’t have enough experience or training, the expert said.
The expert also found that the Maintenance of Way department did not verify or correctly respond to the results of geometry scans done in the second half of 2022 by the time the next round of testing was conducted, in the first quarter of 2023. Defects found by those scans are supposed to be verified by the Maintenance of Way department to eliminate false positives — called “ghosts” — and then either repaired immediately or covered by a slow zone until the repair can be made.
Pesaturo did not respond to a question about whether the new Green Line extension defects are the result of those lapses.
Also complicating matters for the T are new limits from federal regulators about when and how the agency can make track repairs after subway trains came dangerously close to workers on several occasions since early August.
The T is no longer allowed to send out lone workers to inspect tracks or make repairs while trains are running except in cases of emergencies, the Federal Transit Administration said in a letter on Friday when it admonished the T for allowing solo workers on the tracks despite being prohibited from that practice by the FTA on Sept. 14.
The T halted some track work last week because of the new restrictions. Pesaturo did not say whether that work has resumed.”
 
WTF??



TAYLOR DOLVEN

September 26 at 8:04 PM ET

Less than one year after the final branch of the much-heralded Green Line extension opened for business, the MBTA said a problem with the tracks has reduced train speeds to just 3 miles per hour along stretches that add up to more than a mile.
Even by the T’s low standards in recent years, it’s an extraordinary development: Tracks that opened for passenger service to Union Square in March 2022 and to Medford last December and were shut down for repairs in recent months are now so defective, the T says, that trains are moving slower than many people walk.
T spokesperson Joe Pesaturo said the new slow zones, 11 on the Medford branch and 3 on the Union Square branch, are necessary after inspections this month found the rails are too close together at many spots. Operating trains at full speed on tracks that are too narrow risks derailment, track experts said.

But experts told the Globe that rails typically become wider, not narrower, with wear and tear.
Robert Halstead, a New York-based railroad accident reconstruction expert with Ironwood Technologies, said it’s very unusual for rails to narrow.
“You got me there,” said Halstead, who has been inspecting rail tracks for more than 40 years. “That’s something I don’t generally see.”
It was not immediately clear how long the defects have been in place.
Pesaturo said the gauge, the width between rails, on the Medford branch “has been considered narrow since the opening, but there were no known conditions that warranted a speed restriction” in recent months.
A March geometry scan of the Green Line extension tracks, which uses a machine to identify defects that might not be visible, resulted in no speed restrictions being implemented, Pesaturo said. He did not say whether that scan found problems.

But a scan in mid-June found six areas on the Medford branch and two at the “Union crossover” where the rails were “out of tolerance,” he said, without elaborating what that meant.
All of the defects identified during the June scan were addressed during the last weekend closure of the branches in June and during some overnight periods in July, he said.
This month, another geometry scan was performed, and more gauge-related issues were found on both branches, he said.
“The MBTA is working to determine the cause of these instances in which adjustments to the rails are needed to maintain the proper track gauge,” he said.
Spokespeople for the Department of Public Utilities, the T’s state safety oversight agency, deferred questions to the MBTA.
Riding on the Medford branch Tuesday, Taylor Rossi watched the landscape creep by outside her train from Medford/Tufts Station to Gillman Square in Somerville.

A GLX rider for more than a year, Rossi has come to accept occasional slow speeds, but Tuesday’s crawl was the worst she had ever seen.
”I feel like I probably could have walked faster,” Rossi said.
Outside the train, cyclists whizzed by on the community path, and pedestrians kept pace with the trolley.
Rossi said she expected the GLX, “being a newer line,” would have lasted far longer before needing maintenance. She said she had no idea what was causing the slowdowns, but she hoped they began “for a good reason: safety, things like that.”
Shutdowns for track repairs are supposed to yield faster and more reliable subway service. But on the Green Line extension, where riders endured four straight weekends in June without train service, a roundtrip from Lechmere on the new Medford/Tufts branch takes around 10 minutes longer than it did a month ago, according to the TransitMatters dashboard.
The Union Square branch is shut through Oct. 12 to accommodate repairs to a bridge on the McGrath Highway that crosses over the tracks.
The T plans to have the three speed restrictions on the Union Square branch eliminated by the time the branch reopens, Pesaturo said. Repair work to eliminate the 11 speed restrictions on the Medford branch began last week, he said.
“We’re making every effort to resume that work this week,” Pesaturo said.
The MBTA has struggled to eliminate slow zones more quickly than it adds new ones. Throughout the entire Green Line, the T added 18 speed restrictions in the last month and eliminated just one, according to its dashboard.
Dysfunction in the T’s Maintenance of Way department, which oversees track safety, is complicating efforts, a report released by the agency earlier this month found.
Maintenance of Way workers responsible for checking subway infrastructure for defects either didn’t understand their responsibilities or didn’t fulfill them and, as a result, missed dangerous problems on vast swaths of the subway as recently as March, the report by an outside expert hired by the T showed. Many workers in charge of inspecting the system’s tracks don’t have enough experience or training, the expert said.
The expert also found that the Maintenance of Way department did not verify or correctly respond to the results of geometry scans done in the second half of 2022 by the time the next round of testing was conducted, in the first quarter of 2023. Defects found by those scans are supposed to be verified by the Maintenance of Way department to eliminate false positives — called “ghosts” — and then either repaired immediately or covered by a slow zone until the repair can be made.
Pesaturo did not respond to a question about whether the new Green Line extension defects are the result of those lapses.
Also complicating matters for the T are new limits from federal regulators about when and how the agency can make track repairs after subway trains came dangerously close to workers on several occasions since early August.
The T is no longer allowed to send out lone workers to inspect tracks or make repairs while trains are running except in cases of emergencies, the Federal Transit Administration said in a letter on Friday when it admonished the T for allowing solo workers on the tracks despite being prohibited from that practice by the FTA on Sept. 14.
The T halted some track work last week because of the new restrictions. Pesaturo did not say whether that work has resumed.”
So, a TL;DR:
  • The slow zones were because the tracks were found too narrow (too close together), following an inspection in Sep 2023
  • This doesn't seem to be due to wear and tear, which typically make the tracks wider
  • An earlier scan in March didn't result in any speed restrictions, but a scan in June found a few that were resolved soon after
  • Slow zones on the Union Square branch are expected to be removed when the branch reopens, and work on the Medford branch has started
  • More generally, T workers didn't respond to geometry scan results properly as of 2022
This seems to be a different cause than slow zones elsewhere in the system, which are more plausibly attributed to wear and tear. I wonder if there were already issues with how tracks were laid during GLX construction, and I also wonder if earlier geometry scans had lower standards or were treated less seriously, even in 2023. These are just my speculations.
 
So, a TL;DR:
  • The slow zones were because the tracks were found too narrow (too close together), following an inspection in Sep 2023
  • This doesn't seem to be due to wear and tear, which typically make the tracks wider
  • An earlier scan in March didn't result in any speed restrictions, but a scan in June found a few that were resolved soon after
  • Slow zones on the Union Square branch are expected to be removed when the branch reopens, and work on the Medford branch has started
  • More generally, T workers didn't respond to geometry scan results properly as of 2022
This seems to be a different cause than slow zones elsewhere in the system, which are more plausibly attributed to wear and tear. I wonder if there were already issues with how tracks were laid during GLX construction, and I also wonder if earlier geometry scans had lower standards or were treated less seriously, even in 2023. These are just my speculations.
I'm also left wondering if the geometry car is broken - either before 2023 or currently - as well.
 
Missing the forest for the trees here. If GLX is falling apart because of substandard materials, that's not good.
It's not. Like I said, the CR seems to be running fine, same project. Did they use inferior tracks on one side and good ones on the other?
Seems to me like box ticking bureaucracy gone mad. So and so wont sign off on x till y and z happens but y and z need to convene sub committees and need to hire advisors in order to put plans in place to remediate their section of the problem but there's litigation they need to get around and they don't have the staff or funds to complete the prerequisites in this budget window or some such nonsense.

Basically, I'd say it's fine but no one wants to be responsible for a passenger smashing a window on the train and jumping in to the Charles.
 
It's not. Like I said, the CR seems to be running fine, same project. Did they use inferior tracks on one side and good ones on the other?
That’s a good point that opens up a whole bunch of new questions; although l wonder if the wheel profile between the modes could be a partial factor? Although my recollection is that the LRV profile was more forgiving than mainline.

Wondering if this (and the slowzone problem writ large) could be part of the T’s safety theater where it doesn’t matter (eg, stop signs on grade separated transit, 10 MPH speed limit through grade crossings) to compensate for where it does (track workers almost getting run over and runaway trains)? To my admittedly non expert brain, none of the T’s track, especially the GLX, is in worse shape than what Pan Am hauled hazmat tankers over at 10 MPH.
 
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