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Even the Archboston overlords (who apparently live at Harbor Towers), know

we just got us another BIG TOWER....... TO SAVE US FROM OURSELVES.
 
a new park on Long Wharf

???

I'm guessing this would be at open space the tip of the wharf, which I guess could use an overhaul at this point, but whatever they build here better be floodproof.
 
Maybe Chiofaro can go in with Millennium (and a couple other ambitious developers) to pay for expanded radar coverage. Then Millennium can get their 775' and Chiofaro can push for 700'. There are definitely enough plots that could benefit for this to be a no-brainer improvement for the city.
 
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I'm guessing this would be at open space the tip of the wharf, which I guess could use an overhaul at this point, but whatever they build here better be floodproof.

this is giving the Aquarium their 'blue way' or something similar.

lets not get too excited here, the City said the BPDA board would be approving the harbor Plan in December and yet here it is February...and they are having another round of public meetings? Do they think there is going to be a change of opinion with the public that shows up at public meetings?
 
You mean it won't be a fatty like 60 State Street? :)
It may be a fatty.

When the city did the shadow studies for Chiofaro (Don wouldn't / couldn't pay for them) the city a 600 foot tower would have to be located on the SW corner of the property so as to cast no new shadow on Long Wharf on October 31 of any year.. The Long Wharf shadow avoidance is being dictated by the state under Chapter 91.
 
Maybe Chiofaro can go in with Millennium (and a couple other ambitious developers) to pay for expanded radar coverage. Then Millennium can get their 775' and Chiofaro can push for 700'. There are definitely enough plots that could benefit for this to be a no-brainer improvement for the city.

You're forgetting about the NIMBY's. To be honest I actually believe that the Back Bay and Kendall are much better spots for new tall buildings. The streets of downtown are too skinny to go up much taller than they already are.

The harbor garage tower should be built though.
 
It may be a fatty.

When the city did the shadow studies for Chiofaro (Don wouldn't / couldn't pay for them) the city a 600 foot tower would have to be located on the SW corner of the property so as to cast no new shadow on Long Wharf on October 31 of any year.. The Long Wharf shadow avoidance is being dictated by the state under Chapter 91.


I printed a huge blowup of this last june, and handed it to Brian Golden. A few months later, someone from the Chiofaro Co says, "(BPDA) likes the underground ramp on Milk Street and taking out the IMAX."

In today's Globe article they're talking about the removal of the IMAX. :)




Like Copley Square, the City, State and BRA consider Long Wharf a national monument. That means no new shade before the 23rd of October. So Don Chiofaro's tower must be located at the south end of the Garage parcel, with a north/south orientation similar to the JHT.

The shade restrictions dictate the roof's extreme pitch.

With the tower at the south side of the parcel, the open space joins the green patch at the end of Milk Street, allowing the Greenway to segue onto a large aggregate park. The Harbor opens completely in the background welcoming the pedestrian from the historical district.

Next, you use one section of Milk Street adjacent to the Garage as it's new access ramp, and the remainder as a fire lane for the Aquarium, or simply put all of Milk St around the loop in front of the Aquarium below grade and the parcels are joined. Checking off the space of the IMAX Theatre's footprint, reveals the full potential of the site.

Mr. Chiofaro, the City and the Commonwealth can create a large, uninterrupted space nearly out of thin air at the front of Central Wharf, the Harborwalk and Aquarium.


**Tower makes a slight bend towards the setback roof starting at level 21...

***Shade restrictions over Long Wharf render the slanted roof.
But, the mechanicals make very efficient use of the narrow floors.

Tower height; 600'
Total sq ft; 1,050,000
Total floors; 50
Occupied floors; 48
Height at the top of the highest occupied floor 567'
Mechanical floors servicing (residences + offices): 2/33' at tower top
Levels 21-48 Residences; 192 units, 28 stories, 294'
Terrace Restaurant/Bar at Level 21, 273' above the Greenway
Levels 3-20 offices; 18 stories 229'
Level 2 Club Floor; 21'
Lobby/Retail; 23'

*not rendered: the setbacks on the harbor side of the upper resident tower.











the Northwest and North facing walls would offer spectacular views of the Greenway, Faneuil Hall Marketplace district, Long Wharf, The North End, Zakim Bridge and Marina from levels 21-48.






previous






New; the closeness of Central Wharf makes the tower appear fatter in proportion to the rest of the Downtown, w/ 168' at the base along the harbor frontage.










 
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Chio; Sexy
faro; lighthouse.

It's contentious. Our last 2 mayors have demonstrated (not at the same time) opposing opinions about what course of action to take in the Garage's redevelopment. The time has come for the Walsh administration to simply use the power of political office and lay down the law.

Hostetter's well-constructed tactical move has been executed to perfection. The Globe and Tim Logan have given Amos his victory parade, and his implicit position as the Waterfront's moral compass has now been all but solidified.

i joined the discussion 9 hours late, and was swimming against the tide. Hostetter was already getting so much support in the comments section. i chose poorly. Bad posting in any case. But, a very poor showing, that succeeded only in drawing negative attention to Don Chiofaro. Sometimes it's better just to cast a vote in support of the developer. Fail.

Pardon; for my next poor attempt to summarize how we may have gotten here'

[When it comes to our parks, or buildings constructed before WWII, no one scores higher than Boston. So sad that the Brutalist era arrived at the same time as Urban Renewal; and gave us 10 years of so much terrible architecture. The latter end punctuated by stubby, bland, red, brown.... Then, the '80s; O'Neill, Dewey Square, Copley Place and Devonshire cladding. Not great. And the developers were blamed for another round of lousy buildings.

The anger and mistrust resulted in the near disappearance of height for about 25 years. (But was height the problem, or 'width')? The number of bad calls remained high in the Minino era: We just traded building fat for a bunch of odd, goofy, even crazy buildings.

Now, we've entered the next round; cost-challened VE. And, of course, developers often don't bother to propose anything tall or bold.]



i wish the development of the Garage had occured before the Seaport reached this level. It seems this is taking a heavy toll on Chiofaro's momentum to get this done.

Globe readers have always expressed a fair amount of toxic sentiment against highrises. And opposition to the Garage has always been there. Now, Hostetter has them whipped into a frenzy. Some on the fence might become more sympathetic to Hostetter's position; He makes a better case that the Seaport has been spoiled by evil, greedy developers. It will be terrible if the Harbor Garage fails.

Today certainly was not the appropriate day to attempt to throw a ball and chain on the activist's parade. It was a very bad miscalculation on my part.


renders? :whiteflag:
 
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Seaport Vs Harbor Garage
Seaport was already open space (Parking lots) before development and planning begun (Now they walled off the entire area from the PUBLIC to the waterfront without any real public amenities along with any real access from MBTA infrastructure.

Harbor Garage is a pre-existing concrete barrier that blocks the waterfront already. (It already fails) The location is prime because of MBTA Blue Line.

Hostetter is a fraud---He is talking about long-term thinking. This guy is 80 years old he could careless about long-term--- The rich are trying to monopolize the area for themselves. Hostetter does not want to deal with the development in the area for the rest of his lifespan.

Chiofaro/Pru Development would be a grandslam for the overall area, public and city. It's a absolute disgrace that the city, state treated one of their locals like this. Chiofaro is a Boston native not Hostetter.
 
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Seaport Vs Harbor Garage
Seaport was already open space (Parking lots) before development and planning begun (Now they walled off the entire area from the PUBLIC to the waterfront without any real public amenities along with any real access from MBTA infrastructure.

Harbor Garage is a pre-existing concrete barrier that blocks the waterfront already. (It already fails) The location is prime because of MBTA Blue Line.

Hostetter is a fraud---He is talking about long-term thinking. This guy is 80 years old he could careless about long-term--- The rich are trying to monopolize the area for themselves. Hostetter does not want to deal with the development in the area for the rest of his lifespan.

Chiofaro/Pru Development would be a grandslam for the overall area, public and city. It's a absolute disgrace that the city, state treated one of their locals like this. Chiofaro is a Boston native not Hostetter.

Well said...additionally no one talks about harbor towers private fenced pool on the waterfront either...bunch of hypocrites
 
Seaport Vs Harbor Garage
Seaport was already open space (Parking lots) before development and planning begun (Now they walled off the entire area from the PUBLIC to the waterfront without any real public amenities along with any real access from MBTA infrastructure.

Harbor Garage is a pre-existing concrete barrier that blocks the waterfront already. (It already fails) The location is prime because of MBTA Blue Line.

Hostetter is a fraud---He is talking about long-term thinking. This guy is 80 years old he could careless about long-term--- The rich are trying to monopolize the area for themselves. Hostetter does not want to deal with the development in the area for the rest of his lifespan.

Chiofaro/Pru Development would be a grandslam for the overall area, public and city. It's a absolute disgrace that the city, state treated one of their locals like this. Chiofaro is a Boston native not Hostetter.

This is why self-banishment is not a thing.

Oh well.
 
How can this development wall off the waterfront when the pre-existing structure is already walling off the waterfront at 95% of the footprint?

Somebody should ask the writer that question.
This development actually could energize the Greenway & waterfront area. Instead we have a Billionaire NIMBY who does not want to deal with the construction for the next 10 years around the area until his death.
Also the Billionaire is not even original from Boston---He is a New Jersey Native. What a disgrace.


Justin,

I asked to be removed from the site along with all my Posts and for some reason BRIV would not do it. So please email Briv and ask him to delete my user-name and all my thoughts and ideas which happened to be posted on this site.

Then I will be banished.
 
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Also the Billionaire is not even original from Boston---He is a New Jersey Native. What a disgrace.

It's one thing to disagree with his view on waterfront development but to impugn a man who habitually gives $25m+ a year to Boston-based charities and cultural organizations because of the state he was born in is despicable.
 
It's one thing to disagree with his view on waterfront development but to impugn a man who habitually gives $25m+ a year to Boston-based charities and cultural organizations because of the state he was born in is despicable.

I don't believe in these billionaires that have non-profit foundations have the overall public's best interest. I believe the non-profit agencies are actual tax shelters that created for their own self-interests and also helps them avoid paying their fair share of taxes along with promoting their personal views on our society. (This can be very bad)

His view on the waterfront is he does not want to create a wall on the waterfront? Harbor garage is already walled off. So what is his point? His long-term view? Amos is 80 years old I don't think he gives a shit about long-term. He does not want construction near or around his office. If him and his wife love the water so much go move to Gloucester don't depress city Development for your own personal needs.

Just because somebody is a billionaire doesn't make them GOD. That is everything wrong with our political system. Things are done for Billionaires self-interest not for the overall good of the public. (Flint Michigan perfect example)

Where was this guy concerning Menino years and the entire SEAPORT planning at this point. They walled off the entire development area that was all open space without any real infrastructure or public amenities.
So the BRA would rather develop all the open space possible but not rebuild existing structures (Above parking garage) that actually blocks 95% of the Waterfront like a coldwar concrete barrier.
That shows you what True planning failure looks like.

I call it like I see it.
 
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It's one thing to disagree with his view on waterfront development but to impugn a man who habitually gives $25m+ a year to Boston-based charities and cultural organizations because of the state he was born in is despicable.

You'd be despicable, but you could end up as president of the United States.
 
City OKs downtown waterfront plan, allowing for 600-foot Harbor Garage tower

http://www.bizjournals.com/boston/n...owntown-waterfront-plan-allowing-for-600.html

James Hook too...
It also allows for a 305-foot, 22-story tower at the site of James Hook & Co. seafood restaurant on Northern Avenue, which would call for 30 percent of the lot as open space.

i asked a BPDA official during yesterday's "heavy action" about how they plan to build the tower over the N/S rail link.... he said "we're working on it..... The MHP is just the 1st step to determine the size and density of the tower. The Hook Lobster render is very early in the design stages. The state will not allow the N/S Rail ROW to be compromised....."

so i asked, would that mean something similar to the Fed Reserve Tower might be done? He said it has been loosely discussed. He then went on to explain, the committment of both sides to work around the N/S Rail to build something substantial on the property. :)

The Harbor Garage tower. ....Yesterday's events at the BPDA were, imo, advanced nimby Guerrilla training. They have ice and their veins. Maybe we can just ram everything through. If so, we won't be calling them 'The Board' anymore. We'll need to change their name to the 'Dream Team.' Now, if we could just convince Linehan to run for another term.
 
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