Logan Airport Flights and Airlines Discussion

Are Providence or Manchester getting new destinations, or is Logan stealing everything?
 
jass said:
Are Providence or Manchester getting new destinations, or is Logan stealing everything?
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Southwest-wise that seems to be the case.

Manchester is getting the weekly seasonal Vegas (not flown by Southwest at Logan which I find interesting) flight reinstated but are losing a frequency on both Tampa and Orlando for the summer.

Providence lost an Orlando frequency but gained a Baltimore one.

Also - Providence gained seasonal flights to Frankfurt Germany on the leisure airline Condor. There were rumors that either TACV or SATA would transfer some (all in the case of TACV) flights to TF Green as well.

The other airlines could give two hoots about Manchester and Providence. At least Providence got JetBlue.
 
adamh8297 said:
Southwest-wise that seems to be the case.

Manchester is getting the weekly seasonal Vegas (not flown by Southwest at Logan which I find interesting) flight reinstated but are losing a frequency on both Tampa and Orlando for the summer.

Providence lost an Orlando frequency but gained a Baltimore one.

Also - Providence gained seasonal flights to Frankfurt Germany on the leisure airline Condor. There were rumors that either TACV or SATA would transfer some (all in the case of TACV) flights to TF Green as well.

The other airlines could give two hoots about Manchester and Providence. At least Providence got JetBlue.
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I remember there was a big push a few years ago to those airports to relieve congestion at Logan
 
jass said:
I remember there was a big push a few years ago to those airports to relieve congestion at Logan
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"was" is the operative word.

"Congestion" was a big deal at Logan in the late 1990s, when they not only had one fewer runway, but also had 7 Major airlines throwing massive frequency into markets (because RJs were then-new). (And little guys like AirTran in old Terminal D)

After arriving in PVD and MHT in 1998, Southwest was biggest/happiest at MHT and PVD after MetroJet (1998 -2001) was killed , and before JetBlue started serving demand at its source in 2004.

Meanwhile Logan was getting bigger, less-used, and better-connected:
- 2001 Post Sept 11 Removal of the swarms of props and RJs (AA bought and pulled down Business Express for its DCA/LGA slots and mostly pulled it out of Boston
- 2003 I-90 connected to TWT & Logan
- 2004 JetBlue starts Boston service (moves Term C 2005)
- 2005 Delta files bankruptcy (trims non-hub flying)
- 2006 Central Artery O'Neill Tunnel opens
- 2006 Runway 14/32, which opened in 2006 and cut foul-weather delays
- 2011 American files bankruptcy (trims flying even more)

In all, the Mergers of 7 Majors into 3 over the last 15 years has meant that the majors pulled out not only from minor Boston markets, but also cut frequencies to minor hubs (CMH, STL, PIT, CLE, CVG, MEM)
 
Jahvon09 said:
Virgin Atlantic is about to soon start, or has started, non-stop service from LHR (London Heathrow) to Boston - using its newly acquired Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner that it has received sometime in October.

It is the first of about 16 or so of the variant that the carrier has on order from Boeing. :cool:


http://boeing.mediaroom.com/2014-10...e-Delivery-of-Airlines-First-787-9-Dreamliner
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Any chance Virgin Atlantic will increase it's frequency on the Boston-LHR route? (Also in mind that they have are now minority-owned by Delta, and at some point, I see them joining SkyTeam.)
 
Arlington said:
"was" is the operative word.

"Congestion" was a big deal at Logan in the late 1990s, when they not only had one fewer runway, but also had 7 Major airlines throwing massive frequency into markets (because RJs were then-new). (And little guys like AirTran in old Terminal D)

After arriving in PVD and MHT in 1998, Southwest was biggest/happiest at MHT and PVD after MetroJet (1998 -2001) was killed , and before JetBlue started serving demand at its source in 2004.

Meanwhile Logan was getting bigger, less-used, and better-connected:
- 2001 Post Sept 11 Removal of the swarms of props and RJs (AA bought and pulled down Business Express for its DCA/LGA slots and mostly pulled it out of Boston
- 2003 I-90 connected to TWT & Logan
- 2004 JetBlue starts Boston service (moves Term C 2005)
- 2005 Delta files bankruptcy (trims non-hub flying)
- 2006 Central Artery O'Neill Tunnel opens
- 2006 Runway 14/32, which opened in 2006 and cut foul-weather delays
- 2011 American files bankruptcy (trims flying even more)

In all, the Mergers of 7 Majors into 3 over the last 15 years has meant that the majors pulled out not only from minor Boston markets, but also cut frequencies to minor hubs (CMH, STL, PIT, CLE, CVG, MEM)
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Arlington -- you forgot that the number of operations dropped significantly while load factors have increased significantly -- the effect -- overall number of passengers has finally crested the old peak while international connections have improved dramatically

Except for the convenience factor of a local airport for short haul destinations -- the need for reliever airports is much reduced
 
Oakley said:
Any chance Virgin Atlantic will increase it's frequency on the Boston-LHR route? (Also in mind that they have are now minority-owned by Delta, and at some point, I see them joining SkyTeam.)
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Delta and Virgin Atlantic have an alliance on LHR - US routes. Not sure if it's the same thing as British Airways and American, but there isn't a need for Virgin to add a second daily when between Delta and Virgin, they run 2 daily flights.

We've already see Virgin taking over a frequency for Delta on LHR routes, like Detroit and Atlanta.
 
mass88 said:
Delta and Virgin Atlantic have an alliance on LHR - US routes. Not sure if it's the same thing as British Airways and American, but there isn't a need for Virgin to add a second daily when between Delta and Virgin, they run 2 daily flights.

We've already see Virgin taking over a frequency for Delta on LHR routes, like Detroit and Atlanta.
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There's been some timing changes pushing back to the Virgin departure between 9:50 and 11:10pm depending on whether we are in Daylight Savings Time or not.

I wonder if they would upguage the Virgin flight seasonally (back to A346 or even 747) in the future for the summer months once/if this joint venture starts bearing fruit.
 
Jahvon09 said:
Virgin Atlantic is about to soon start, or has started, non-stop service from LHR (London Heathrow) to Boston - using its newly acquired Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner that it has received sometime in October.

It is the first of about 16 or so of the variant that the carrier has on order from Boeing. :cool:


http://boeing.mediaroom.com/2014-10...e-Delivery-of-Airlines-First-787-9-Dreamliner
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I worked on that one, actually I've worked on all 787's from line 120 or so and up. I'm thinking the -9 will be the marque 787, and they are selling like hot cakes, now pretty much half of the one's being built are -9's. The -10's will also be popular but the -9 apparently has a longer range. I love that Boston is often a place these birds go!
 
adamh8297 said:
Southwest-wise that seems to be the case.

Manchester is getting the weekly seasonal Vegas (not flown by Southwest at Logan which I find interesting)
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No competition compared to fighting at Logan with Delta and JetBlue on this route?
 
GW2500 said:
I worked on that one, actually I've worked on all 787's from line 120 or so and up. I'm thinking the -9 will be the marque 787, and they are selling like hot cakes, now pretty much half of the one's being built are -9's. The -10's will also be popular but the -9 apparently has a longer range. I love that Boston is often a place these birds go!
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So far, and with all three variants of the 787 Dreamliner combined on order, the order book has swelled up to about close to 1,000 or more examples of the highly-sought-after fuel-efficient lighter-weight jetliner.

The 787-10 Dreamliner is now in production, with the first one expected to come off the production / assembly line possibly during the first or 2nd quarter of next year. Among the carriers that have it on order, United Airlines is one of them - having placed an order for about 25 of them.

It will be one of the first carriers that will have all three variants of the immensely popular jetliner in use at the same time.

It already has both the -8 & -9 in use. It has began service with the -9 not too long ago :cool:
 
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whighlander said:
Going out on a limb based on fairly serious rumour of Samsung and Kendall / Innovation District

Samsung is known to be searching for the right location in Cambridge / Boston to site a major facility -- this would be strongly enhanced with non-stop service to South Korea

So perhaps one of the first Baker announcements -- Samsung and Korean Air
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Sounds like a good fit. Korean Air has an impressive and rapid-expanding network in Seoul, along with a strong brand and product; South Korea and Seoul is a leading, 21st century economy with big brands making their mark around the world. Makes a lot of sense.



On the Tel Aviv front, any specific companies that will be a big flyer on the El Aviv route? Any chance this could do daily in the long-term future?
 
Oakley said:
Sounds like a good fit. Korean Air has an impressive and rapid-expanding network in Seoul, along with a strong brand and product; South Korea and Seoul is a leading, 21st century economy with big brands making their mark around the world. Makes a lot of sense.



On the Tel Aviv front, any specific companies that will be a big flyer on the El Aviv route? Any chance this could do daily in the long-term future?
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Korean Air would be a great Holiday present for Logan but probably for 2016 perhaps. Its inevitable if this Samsung rumor becomes true.

EMC is probably the most well-known company with a large presence in both Massachusetts and Israel. As always, higher education and medical fields will factor in as well.

El Al has stated that they want to go to higher frequencies (they do not fly on the sabbath so you will not see daily) ASAP but plane availability is key for them. They only have 13 aircraft that can reach USA, six 763, six 772 and one 747 with only a handful of 737's on order. I believe they will use 763's that are freed up from putting 738/9's on their European routes.
 
adamh8297 said:
Korean Air would be a great Holiday present for Logan but probably for 2016 perhaps. Its inevitable if this Samsung rumor becomes true.

EMC is probably the most well-known company with a large presence in both Massachusetts and Israel. As always, higher education and medical fields will factor in as well.

El Al has stated that they want to go to higher frequencies (they do not fly on the sabbath so you will not see daily) ASAP but plane availability is key for them. They only have 13 aircraft that can reach USA, six 763, six 772 and one 747 with only a handful of 737's on order. I believe they will use 763's that are freed up from putting 738/9's on their European routes.
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1) I agree on Korean. I think they have 787s on order coming in 2016 or 2017.

2) The tech scene in Israel is second behind Silicon Valley. This will be a huge connection, especially as Boston's is roaring as well.

Will there be special check-in/screening/security boarding and deplaning procedures with El Al at Boston?
 
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shmessy said:
Great read.

Results talk. Governor Patrick did a amazingly effective job in competing for these 17 direct international routes:

http://www.bostonglobe.com/business...round-world/HvYSxcou2ijAD7HUsB5aUM/story.html
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Shmess -- by his own admission -- as usual -- it was $ that sealed the deal
“Massport is in the top 1 percent in how they prepare the case and how they know the market, which helps us tremendously in the startup of a new route,” said Anko van der Werff, chief revenue officer of Aeromexico. “It’s a massive investment for us. They’re unique to give that confidence.”

Local business leaders often meet with airline executives and pledge to patronize the route, which is important to airlines because business class seats make more money than tickets for the economy cabin.....

Patrick said incentives end up closing the deal. It’s a common practice for Logan and other airports to waive landing fees for the first year and promote flights in the local market. Since 2012, Massport has pledged $8.2 million to eight airlines under its incentives program.

One last factor: the advent of the 787 Dreamliner. The fuel-efficient jet, which carries a maximum of about 325 passengers, was just the right size to make many direct international flights from Logan profitable. Glynn said Japan Airlines Co. put Logan on the map when it started flying the plane between Tokyo and Boston in 2012, despite the aircraft’s initial safety problems.

Patrick said the collaboration between government and business to land new direct international flights has been successful because it’s a common practice in the much of the world.

“Government is a part of the sales team,” he said of other countries. “And in some places, it takes government to open the doors in the first place.”
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I give Patrick a positive mark for being a good salesman -- unfortunately, when it came to the more important roles of a Governor -- he fell flat on his face
 
whighlander said:
Shmess -- by his own admission -- as usual -- it was $ that sealed the deal


I give Patrick a positive mark for being a good salesman -- unfortunately, when it came to the more important roles of a Governor -- he fell flat on his face
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Emirates and Turkish would have come eventually.

The real laugh-er is the Dublin flights. The reason there were no Dublin flights was the archaic Shannon Stopover rule that Ireland wisely kicked to the curb.

Also JetBlue needs a bit of credit here. They studied passenger flows and found it prudent to launch seasonal Liberia-Guanacaste, St. Lucia, Puerto Plata, and increase St. Maarten, Punta Cana, and Provo-Turks and Caicos. The only Caribbean destination launched concurrently with JFK was Grand Cayman which had been previously served by US Airways and Cayman Airways.
 
adamh8297 said:
Emirates and Turkish would have come eventually.

The real laugh-er is the Dublin flights. The reason there were no Dublin flights was the archaic Shannon Stopover rule that Ireland wisely kicked to the curb.

Also JetBlue needs a bit of credit here. They studied passenger flows and found it prudent to launch seasonal Liberia-Guanacaste, St. Lucia, Puerto Plata, and increase St. Maarten, Punta Cana, and Provo-Turks and Caicos. The only Caribbean destination launched concurrently with JFK was Grand Cayman which had been previously served by US Airways and Cayman Airways.
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Yep. I think JetBlue also was a big draw for Emirates as well, being able to being connect into their hub here.

Any possibility of new non-stop flights to South America?
 
I am going to guess that more than 50% of the passengers on the Dubai flights start and end in Boston, but having JetBlue be able to feed in some passengers certainly helps.

Emirates has probably killed any chance of Boston getting a non-stop to India, which is not necessarily a bad thing.
 
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