Logan Airport Flights and Airlines Discussion

palindrome said:
I read just yesterday that for October [in Dallas], Emirates was down 11% YoY, and running a 38% LF on their A380.
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(I assume you mean in Dallas). As airlines probe maxing-out markets with an A380, it won't take too many stories like that to scare buyers into buying 787s instead. A world of nimbler 787 operators is probably better for Boston and it shows that we're not likely to get more than a very small number of A380 visits for a very long time.
 
palindrome said:
I read just yesterday that for October, Emirates was down 11% YoY, and running a 38% LF on their A380.
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Arlington said:
(I assume you mean in Dallas). As airlines probe maxing-out markets with an A380, it won't take too many stories like that to scare buyers into buying 787s instead. A world of nimbler 787 operators is probably better for Boston and it shows that we're not likely to get more than a very small number of A380 visits for a very long time.
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Rumors are flying that Airbus may be thinking about pulling the plug on the 380 aircraft.
 
Oakley said:
Rumors are flying that Airbus may be thinking about pulling the plug on the 380 aircraft.
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right in time for our new a380 gates to be finished!

apparently they are in full damage control mode in Toulouse, they also just said they will be launching an A380neo as a stretched version.

Interesting indeed....
 
Oakley said:
Rumors are flying that Airbus may be thinking about pulling the plug on the 380 aircraft.
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If the Government of India was not mega-protectionist towards Air India, EK would be running many of their A380's back and forth with the subcontinent thus better utilizing them.
 
palindrome said:
right in time for our new a380 gates to be finished!
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Don't despair. Even if they commit to stop making them, deliveries will continue and they'll continue flying for a long time and we're likely to see them (just irregularly). When you can fill them, they are still among the lowest-cost-per-seat-mile planes out there.
 
I get the feeling some people, especially those over on airliners.net, feel an emirates route hasn't really made it unless it's been upgraded to the 380. Personally, I wold rather them stick with the 77W and see (what I am going to assume will be) a lot better results financially than plugging in the 380. It's insane to think they're eventually going to have over 120 of them in their fleet.

You take away Emirates, and the 380 orders are very poor.

Qantas is an example of an airline that the 380 works well for. They used to run 3 or 4 daily 744s into LA, now they only run 2 daily 380s in there and are able to maintain roughly the same capacity with less aircraft running.
 
palindrome said:
right in time for our new a380 gates to be finished!

apparently they are in full damage control mode in Toulouse, they also just said they will be launching an A380neo as a stretched version.

Interesting indeed....
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Palindrome -- Ah, but the renovations to Terminal E to provide the A380 Gates do a whole lot more than just reconfigure the 3 gate extensions:

More hold room for people
improved TSA screening
better connection to passport & customs
Improved baggage handling
Opens the way to much more club space up on the newly created 4th floor

All in all the Gate modifications themselves are a small fraction of the total Terminal E work that is underway and will occur over the next 2 years as well as the ultimate preparation for more expansion by taking down the old hanger
 
mass88 said:
I get the feeling some people, especially those over on airliners.net, feel an emirates route hasn't really made it unless it's been upgraded to the 380. Personally, I wold rather them stick with the 77W and see (what I am going to assume will be) a lot better results financially than plugging in the 380. It's insane to think they're eventually going to have over 120 of them in their fleet.
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Personally, I am more impressed by a frequency increase than an upguaging.

I wish both Emirates and Turkish both had 788's configured similarly to Hainan Airlines or United (200-225 seats). That way either carrier could go 10 weekly to 14 daily to maximize the offerings of their hubs.
 
adamh8297 said:
Personally, I am more impressed by a frequency increase than an upguaging.

I wish both Emirates and Turkish both had 788's configured similarly to Hainan Airlines or United (200-225 seats). That way either carrier could go 10 weekly to 14 daily to maximize the offerings of their hubs.
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I get the feeling that most travelers-especially frequent fliers (business)-care more about frequencies than a 380 vs. a 787 aircraft.
 
Logan scored pretty well on the frustration index compiled by Businessweek.

http://www.businessweek.com/interactive/2014-best-worst-airports/#departures

Some people love to trash on Logan, but I think it's a pretty solid airport. Terminal A and United's new concourse in Terminal B are both top notch and some of the nicer facilities at a US airport. Massport has made some nice upgrades to Terminal B and C over the last several years.
 
mass88 said:
Logan scored pretty well on the frustration index compiled by Businessweek.
http://www.businessweek.com/interactive/2014-best-worst-airports/#departures

...I think it's a pretty solid airport.
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I agree, and so does business week (see also their Overall Ratings). Really, once you get past the bass-ackwards ratings (the top should be ranked the #1 most hated, not #36 Least Frustrating). You know you're reading it right when Laguardia is the worst. ;-)

The various scores put BOS in the teens of frustrating...so in the 20s of "worst....anything that puts it beyond the Top 10 Worst is a HUGE improvement over where it was in the mid-1990s, when it was usually at Top-10-disliked/delayed airport.

What's changed? I'd say 5 big things:

- 2001 Removal of the swarms of props and RJs (AA bought and pulled down Business Express for its DCA/LGA slots and mostly pulled it out of Boston)
- 2006 Runway 14/32, which opened in 2006 and cut fowl-weather delays
- The Rise of JetBlue vs everyone else pulling back to hub-only flying from BOS.
- Terminal A & E getting bi-level roadways
- Big Dig connecting I-90 to TWT, making all-points auto access a breeze.
 
Good improvements in B and C in recent years (A and E were always decent if not "world class" in any sense), but I think a lot more has to be done to paper over the "cobbled together" feeling that pervades Logan. While there are definitely nice bits and pieces across the terminals, it still lacks a lot in connection both physically and aesthetically. Arrivals-level ground transportation--despite the standardized signage--is still somewhat cluster-f-ish.
 
whighlander said:
Palindrome -- Ah, but the renovations to Terminal E to provide the A380 Gates do a whole lot more than just reconfigure the 3 gate extensions:

More hold room for people
improved TSA screening
better connection to passport & customs
Improved baggage handling
Opens the way to much more club space up on the newly created 4th floor

All in all the Gate modifications themselves are a small fraction of the total Terminal E work that is underway and will occur over the next 2 years as well as the ultimate preparation for more expansion by taking down the old hanger
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Agreed: Aerospace works because most new tech is multi-use, whether airport tech or airplane tech.

Sounds like Logan called it right. There will be A380s out there, and BOS will occasionally get them, and stuff you have to do to accommodate them is good for other things (capacity, comfort, safety....)

And Airbus is rightly of two minds on the A380 (kill vs upgrade). Everybody loves to try to squeeze one more lifecycle out of otherwise obsolete airframes.

But for Logan, it really doesn't matter if the A380 production ceases. It can use its A380 gates for their intended use and the capacity upgrades for whatever mass arrivals / mass departures the market throws at them.
 
Southwest just did a schedule extension with a new route to Boston. Starting 6/28/2015, they will have two daily flights to Indianapolis. There is also an increase in Akron-Canton Service to two daily.
 
Indianapolis is an interesting add from Boston for them. I am surprised Dallas has not been added yet.

Southwest has built a nice little network out of Boston. What are they up to now? 12 cities? I am still wondering why they're not building up Florida a little bit more given they have a token presence there from Boston currently and it's a big market. They've come into Boston and added daily non-stop service to places like Nashville, Kansas City and St. Louis that warranted non-stop service, but previous carriers had cut service.
 
adamh8297 said:
Southwest just did a schedule extension with a new route to Boston. Starting 6/28/2015, they will have two daily flights to Indianapolis. There is also an increase in Akron-Canton Service to two daily.
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It shows the power of already having a busy station in those places. Certainly, its good for costs (having a busy station makes a lot of airport costs "free"), and probably good for a little bit of feed from beyond.

Poor JetBlue seems very constrained by having to pay for a whole station with just Boston flying. They should have merged with *somebody* (Frontier) just to save on costs at spoke stations. Does JetBlue rent stuff from other airlines at these non-busy stations or do they just have a flexible workforce?
 
Arlington said:
Does JetBlue rent stuff from other airlines at these non-busy stations or do they just have a flexible workforce?
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I just checked the JetBlue careers page. Lots of Part-Time/Seasonal Jobs for the smaller to medium stations (New Orleans, Burlington, Richmond, Buffalo). Interestingly enough, there's an Ops Manager position for Grand Cayman. I believe JFK is not even run daily in off-season on the island.

https://careers.peopleclick.com/car...=getJobDetail&jobPostId=3836&localeCode=en-us
 
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