Logan Airport Flights and Airlines Discussion

Wow! Logan is on a roll with 3 new airlines each in 2014 and 2015: Cathay, WOW, and now El Al.

I remember Massport changed the incentive requirements to 3x/week; this might have been a factor for El Al to start service.

I know that ELAL has some tight safety protocols, is there space in Terminal E to conduct this? Does it happen at the check in or at the gate?
 
When is Southwest moving to Terminal A? I would think they need it to move before they reconfigure gates for the A-380.
 
greenline said:
I remember Massport changed the incentive requirements to 3x/week; this might have been a factor for El Al to start service.
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The more I think of it there are two other factors:

1) The disintegration of the El Al / American Airlines partnership leading to an expanded partnership with JetBlue.

2) El Al's fleet inadequacy. They don't have the frames for Miami, Chicago or San Fran but the 739's they have been receiving free up a 763 ER for this route.


greenline said:
In terms of future Jetblue destinations, I can see ATL, GUA, SJO, and PAP (Port au Prince). I don't know if they would want to compete with Delta's stronghold on ATL/MSP.
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Over 70000 Haitians in Boston area - Port au Prince should do well as a biweekly service (Wed and either Sat or Sun).
 
Wow, Logan is on a roll. At this point 3 years ago we did not have year round, non-stop flights to Dubai, Istanbul, Panama City, Tokyo, Beijing and announced to Hong Kong and Tel Aviv.
 
Logan just posted this nice timetable on Facebook of international departures:

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Jahvon09 said:
Who is bringing the A-380 to Boston?
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Emirates is the best guess. They have 53 of them and 87 more coming. At some point they'll want them here for fleet rotation as much as market-demand (which is based on connections at their Dubai hub to places in the Middle East and India-China-Asia).

Airlines in the Middle East and Asia (the main "losers" to BOS-DUB-Onward connections) are fighting back (or getting ahead of the problem) with nonstops to their hubs (ideally on a 787) to prevent the traffic to switching to Emirates. That competitive threat (and that the 787 can respond) is the big motivator for "little" far-away hubbers like Hianan, El Al, Turkish, to suddenly be offering service to Boston.

British, Air France, and Lufthansa all have A380s, and are close by enough to add flights (frequency) to other hub-banks throughout their day, but it is possible that they might put an A380 at a time that has a 747 today.
 
Japan Airlines had or still has the Boeing 787-8 Dreamliner operating non-stop between here and Tokyo, I think.

I don't see any of the US airlines getting the A-380. The plane is too expensive to gas up, much less to buy & fly. The flying Godzilla would have to be filled to capacity to be worth getting it, and also, the cost to fly in it would be much too expensive for most passengers to book themselves on it!! :eek:
 
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Arlington said:
Emirates is the best guess. They have 53 of them and 87 more coming. At some point they'll want them here for fleet rotation as much as market-demand (which is based on connections at their Dubai hub to places in the Middle East and India-China-Asia).
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I'm leaning towards Lufthansa and BA to use seasonally and Emirates should consider seasonal only too. Another poster made the case that Air France's A380 setup is too premium heavy.

Massport posted recent Passenger numbers for October and it doesn't look like the 77W was being filled since the Mid-East flights (Istanbul and Dubai) had a load factor in the high 60's. 500 seats is ridiculous to fill in off peak months like September and October unless you stimulate traffic with ridiculously low prices.


Arlington said:
That competitive threat (and that the 787 can respond) is the big motivator for "little" far-away hubbers like Hianan, El Al, Turkish, to suddenly be offering service to Boston.
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Turkish Airlines' Istanbul hub is the furthest thing from little. It actually offers more connecting destinations than Dubai. They can also serve Boston-Istanbul on a smaller A332 if they had to since the flight is only 800 miles longer than Boston-Rome.
 
Sun Country going to 3 daily flights to Minneapolis in May.

JetBlue must be kicking themselves for not getting to the Twin Cities.
 
I am sure if JetBlue really wanted to, they could start non-stop flights between Boston and Minneapolis-St. Paul. Sun Country increasing their service (have they ever been at 3 daily?) would not prohibit them from entering the market - how many people honestly know about Sun Country? I am guessing the bulk of their traffic to/from Boston is coming from the MSP side, not the Boston side. I know only 1 person who has ever flown Sun Country, a co-worker who is from St. Paul.
 
mass88 said:
I am sure if JetBlue really wanted to, they could start non-stop flights between Boston and Minneapolis-St. Paul. Sun Country increasing their service (have they ever been at 3 daily?) would not prohibit them from entering the market - how many people honestly know about Sun Country? I am guessing the bulk of their traffic to/from Boston is coming from the MSP side, not the Boston side. I know only 1 person who has ever flown Sun Country, a co-worker who is from St. Paul.
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I agree with you on Boston people not knowing anything about Sun Country though their flights will pop up on orbitz and you get to west coast on them as well.

I think Jetblue really needs to get MSP side people for the route to work. At least with Detroit, they have a better chance to grab a few passengers who are sick of Delta. Sun Country has a good following in the Twin Cities.

The three times a year service will be May-September as well. I forgot to mention that. They are only at 4 weekly from January- mid april then daily for a couple of weeks. Maybe there's still hope for JetBlue to enter with 2-3 E190's a day.
 
The fees weren't the point but rather the dismal performance of a lot of key routes from Boston.
 
surprised on the low performance to the big west coast markets. is it just low fares and competition? I wonder if the coming of Emirates and others helps follow on traffic to keep these unprofitable routes going.
 
There is a lot of competition from Boston to the West Coast. Delta, United, American, Virgin America, Jet Blue and Alaska all run year round, daily non-stop flights to the West Coast. All of those airlines service multiple West Coast cities out of Boston. So the competition is very fierce. I think only New York has more competition among airlines to the West Coast than Boston. Good for consumers, bad for the airlines.

It's a safe assumption that the fares are not where they need to be to make Boston-San Diego/Long Beach/Los Angeles/San Francisco/Seattle/Portland/San Jose profitable for Jet Blue. But serving those cities is key for Jet Blue in attracting business passengers to be loyal to them from the Boston area.

Then again, the article did not elaborate on each individual route
 
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