Logan Airport Flights and Airlines Discussion

In the most recent investor presentation I believe they said Mint has been a huge hit and they have been able to raise their standard $599 price to over $1000 and maintain 80% occ.


I have also heard at airliners.net (take it what you will) B6 will not enter MSP because the route is extremely protected by DL, and they fear DL boosting FL flights from BOS.
 
palindrome said:
In the most recent investor presentation I believe they said Mint has been a huge hit and they have been able to raise their standard $599 price to over $1000 and maintain 80% occ.
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NYC yields better on transcons though (think of all the Hollywood-NYC connections for starters).

palindrome said:
I have also heard at airliners.net (take it what you will) B6 will not enter MSP because the route is extremely protected by DL, and they fear DL boosting FL flights from BOS.
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Didn't stop Sun Country and the Delta Response that did happen did not prevent Boston-Detroit which was a complete monopoly for Delta when JetBlue entered.

When I get the chance I will post some average fare Data for the routes mentioned in kmp1284's link if available. I know B6 has a far lower average fare than either UA and AA for Boston - L.A. I'm surprised the Houston flights were not mentioned in those links - They couldn't even fill 80% of the two daily fights on that route.
 
adamh8297 said:
Didn't stop Sun Country and the Delta Response that did happen did not prevent Boston-Detroit which was a complete monopoly for Delta when JetBlue entered.
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DTW-BOS is a much bigger local market-isn't it? Short and fat vs BOS-MSP longer and thinner. And maybe also driven by where BOS corporate clients want to go? DTW robot/mfg kinda stuff that probably drives the need to actually visit or ship parts and stuff.

MSP, at the General Mills/Hormel/CHS/LandOLakes/Cargill food-and-futures end of things, or the Target/Best Buy/Supervalue retail side would seem to have less natural affinity to Boston. I suspect it is less-asked-for by their corporate clients. Yes, I know that MSP has 3M material tech, Medtronic and UnitedHealth, but, well, that's what Delta's got.
 
Time for me to eat crow again!!

http://www.bostonglobe.com/business...mexico-city/Yr2OX4Ohk7j69SiNL4RELO/story.html

AeroMexico will return to serving Boston-Mexico City six days a week (except Tuesday)

Trying to figure out what this connects to in Mexico City based on flight times.

AM 698 MEX-BOS 0900-1525
AM 699 BOS-MEX 1635-2055

124 seat 737-700 will be used.


Arlington said:
DTW-BOS is a much bigger local market-isn't it? Short and fat vs BOS-MSP longer and thinner.
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No MSP is about 20-25% bigger but it is almost twice as long. Here's a couple quarters to compare from DOT.

Q2 2013

BOS-MSP - 653 PDEW
BOS-DTW - 480 PDEW

Q1 2014

BOS-MSP - 585 PDEW
BOS-DTW - 473 PDEW
 
Arlington said:
MSP, at the General Mills/Hormel/CHS/LandOLakes/Cargill food-and-futures end of things, or the Target/Best Buy/Supervalue retail side would seem to have less natural affinity to Boston. I suspect it is less-asked-for by their corporate clients. Yes, I know that MSP has 3M material tech, Medtronic and UnitedHealth, but, well, that's what Delta's got.
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Boston Scientific also has 5000 employees out there.
 
http://www.bostonherald.com/busines...4/12/logan_eyeing_more_direct_foreign_flights

"The Aeromexico flights are getting a premium schedule to allow for connections to other parts of Mexico and Central and South America, and to Europe through Aeromexico’s Delta Air Lines partnership, said Aeromexico CEO Andres Conesa Labastida."

I would have to save a lot of money to fly to Sao Paulo through Mexico City. The Mexico City-Sao Paulo flight is almost as long as JFK-Sao Paulo.

Oakley said:
On the international front, do you see Korean Air coming to Boston in the future? One of the more aggressive, "big" airlines in Asia...I'm assuming they're just waiting for their 787s.
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Article above says the usual goals India, Brazil, Milan and one new one, Belfast, Northern Ireland.

I would love to see Belfast so I will state the following: There's no chance in hell of Boston getting a non-stop to Belfast.
 
I would love to see Belfast so I will state the following: There's no chance in hell of Boston getting a non-stop to Belfast.
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Any thoughts on if Boston could actually support non-stop flights to secondary UK markets like Belfast, Glasgow, Edinburgh, or Manchester?
 
lexicon506 said:
Any thoughts on if Boston could actually support non-stop flights to secondary UK markets like Belfast, Glasgow, Edinburgh, or Manchester?
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You'd think so, but they probably fall just below Shannon Ireland in their potential.

That Shannon, Ireland, got/gets its own is pretty amazing in itself, but partly due to Irish law which use to (or still does?) require a fixed ratio of services to SNN as to DUB. SNN it also has its own US Customs Preclearance and other particular favors from both the US and Irish Government going back to the seaplane era.

Dublin (Metro) GDP is in the $70b range (1/3 of all of Ireland's $210b-ish). (Boston Metro GDP is ~$330b), but there are a lot of ethnic-tech-finance ties between BOS and DUB, and it has the advantage of being a full international hub on Aer Lingus.

Manchester UK, at GDP=~$80b-ish is slightly larger than Dublin in GDP, and way bigger if you include all of the English Midlands, but doesn't have the same affinities with Boston, but struggles to be a hub when slotted between DUB and LHR.

If you credit Belfast with all of Northern Ireland's ~$40b GDP (rather than its Metro GDP, which is like ~20b), Belfast looks about the same as Glasgow and Edinburg, but being Irish, can probably claim more Boston-ethic affinities.

Glasgow and Edinburgh are sloshing around the $30b to $50b range (depending on whom you ask)...so they're looking pretty thin.
 
Apart from a non-stop flight to South America, there really isn't that much more Logan would need. Really at this point, you can count on 1 hand the number of airports in this country that have as many foreign carriers as Logan.

I am hoping all of the recent routes workout in the long run for Boston.
 
mass88 said:
There really isn't that much more Logan would need.

I am hoping all of the recent routes workout in the long run for Boston.
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I'm thinking the same thing. We may want to pay attention to what is going on in Dallas. http://www.dfwtower.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=6833

Emirates did not do so well load-wise in October the first month of A380 service. It was Qatar's third month and they carried more passengers! Shows what being in OneWorld can do for you. Etihad just started DFW this week too. For all we know they could be selling out F and J plus obtaining good cargo yield and still be profiting.


lexicon506 said:
Any thoughts on if Boston could actually support non-stop flights to secondary UK markets like Belfast, Glasgow, Edinburgh, or Manchester?
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Manchester UK and Glasgow have been served in the past.

Belfast is a really tiny market though. 8 people a day by air in both directions. However, Dublin is only 100 miles away and there are hourly buses to Belfast from Dublin Airport for 22 Euros roundtrip. The whole thing came about with Marty Walsh having a sister city ceremony with Belfast officials.
 
mass88 said:
Really at this point, you can count on 1 hand the number of airports in this country that have as many foreign carriers as Logan.
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This is very impressive for Boston.
I think the only airports that surpass BOS on this count are JFK, IAD, ORD, SFO, LAX, and MIA

mass88 said:
I am hoping all of the recent routes workout in the long run for Boston.
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I completely agree. I really hope that all the current and future (international) service we have can be sustained.
 
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adamh8297 said:
I'm thinking the same thing. We may want to pay attention to what is going on in Dallas. http://www.dfwtower.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=6833

Emirates did not do so well load-wise in October the first month of A380 service. It was Qatar's third month and they carried more passengers! Shows what being in OneWorld can do for you. Etihad just started DFW this week too. For all we know they could be selling out F and J plus obtaining good cargo yield and still be profiting.




Manchester UK and Glasgow have been served in the past.

Belfast is a really tiny market though. 8 people a day by air in both directions. However, Dublin is only 100 miles away and there are hourly buses to Belfast from Dublin Airport for 22 Euros roundtrip. The whole thing came about with Marty Walsh having a sister city ceremony with Belfast officials.
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I am going to guess there are not a lot of cities in North America that can sustain having year round, non-stop flights from each of the big 3 ME carriers. I wonder if DFW will be able to keep all 3 of them over the long haul.
 
Oakley said:
I imagine that Buffalo could get a boost with US Airways pulling out. The B6 flights on this route seemed full when I flew it a few times in the past.


On the international front, do you see Korean Air coming to Boston in the future? One of the more aggressive, "big" airlines in Asia...I'm assuming they're just waiting for their 787s.
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Going out on a limb based on fairly serious rumour of Samsung and Kendall / Innovation District

Samsung is known to be searching for the right location in Cambridge / Boston to site a major facility -- this would be strongly enhanced with non-stop service to South Korea

So perhaps one of the first Baker announcements -- Samsung and Korean Air
 
mass88 said:
I am going to guess there are not a lot of cities in North America that can sustain having year round, non-stop flights from each of the big 3 ME carriers. I wonder if DFW will be able to keep all 3 of them over the long haul.
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I read just yesterday that for October, Emirates was down 11% YoY, and running a 38% LF on their A380.
 
itchy said:
What about Atlanta? Houston? Dallas? Orlando? Vegas?
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Orlando has 22 carriers vs 23 for boston (includes all that start in 2015).

Orlando does have a lot of International Charter airlines out of the 22 (i.e Thomas Cook, Sunwing, Air Transat)

Though they do not have more international carriers, Atlanta, Houston and Dallas easily offer more international destinations than Boston due to the legacy carriers having hubs at those airports.
 
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