Logan Airport Flights and Airlines Discussion

As if right on cue - Spirit Airlines will be a starting daily flight between Orlando and Boston starting October 7.
 
mass88 said:
As if right on cue - Spirit Airlines will be a starting daily flight between Orlando and Boston starting October 7.
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If you got the plane, the gate space, and depature/launch times .... may as well launch this based on their business model. I don't think they will have trouble filling one daily at all.



Also I posted this on airliners but wanted to share it here too.

I occasionally check therouteshop.com to see if any airlines are looking for Boston service and found a couple of interesting items today:

1) Barcelona airport posted 2015 MIDT data and BOS-BCN O&D was 51000 for the year which is about 70 PDEW. At some point Norwegian will hopefully serve this route - probably seasonally since the majority of traffic has to be from May-October

2) Memphis is offering incentives to get back Boston service.
 
Spirit Airlines is one reason why I'd choose a one stop flight over a non-stop with the same price.
 
Anti-competitive practices are the leading suspect in explaining the sustained profits of US corporations in general, and US airlines in recent quarters in particular.

As The Economist leader put it earlier this year:
The naughty secret of American firms is that life at home is much easier: their returns on equity are 40% higher in the United States than they are abroad. Aggregate domestic profits are at near-record levels relative to GDP. America is meant to be a temple of free enterprise. It isn’t....High profits might be a sign of brilliant innovations or wise long-term investments, were it not for the fact that they are also suspiciously persistent. A very profitable American firm has an 80% chance of being that way ten years later. In the 1990s the odds were only about 50%. Some companies are capable of sustained excellence, but most would expect to see their profits competed away. Today, incumbents find it easier to make hay for longer
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and elaborated later in the same issue:
But high profits across a whole economy can be a sign of sickness. They can signal the existence of firms more adept at siphoning wealth off than creating it afresh, such as those that exploit monopolies.
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I was happy to read in the NYT Linked above that at least Southwest plans to continue to grow supply (while the others constrain supply in the hopes of maximizing profits at consumers' expense).
 
adamh8297 said:
If you got the plane, the gate space, and depature/launch times .... may as well launch this based on their business model. I don't think they will have trouble filling one daily at all.



Also I posted this on airliners but wanted to share it here too.

I occasionally check therouteshop.com to see if any airlines are looking for Boston service and found a couple of interesting items today:

1) Barcelona airport posted 2015 MIDT data and BOS-BCN O&D was 51000 for the year which is about 70 PDEW. At some point Norwegian will hopefully serve this route - probably seasonally since the majority of traffic has to be from May-October

2) Memphis is offering incentives to get back Boston service.
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Dude, what exactly is that thing in your avatar over on airliners anyways? I've been spending way too much time trying to figure it out.
 
Arlington said:
How big a market is that? If a JetBlue flew it, is there anyplace else they could go to get gate utilization up?
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Of the top of my head it ranges from 80-100 PDEW since Delta cut it. Summer is higher obviously.

Edit:
Past five years the range is 75 to 120 PDEW.

But it pretty much goes like this

Q1 - 75-80
Q2 110-120
Q3 110-120
Q4 100-105


Jouhou said:
Dude, what exactly is that thing in your avatar over on airliners anyways? I've been spending way too much time trying to figure it out.
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A fish called a Sailfin Blenny shot in Little Cayman. Here's a video of one coming out of its hole. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZVABIp3aCk
 
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adamh8297 said:
2) Memphis is offering incentives to get back Boston service.
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True, but they're also offering incentives, marketing assistance and fee abatements for just about any other route as well. They're had a few marginal gains (like upgauged mainline AA flights to DFW and new/resumed Eagle service to LGA & PHX) and a few sporadic G4 markets.

I doubt B6 would see any value adding MEM, as there are arguably a half dozen rust belt points with more traffic and local corporate connections like CVG, MCI, MSP, STL, etc. Otherwise there really isn't anyone suitable for the market. WN is a small ~10 departure station that was only recently converted from FL in 2013.
 
LH421 said:
True, but they're also offering incentives, marketing assistance and fee abatements for just about any other route as well. They're had a few marginal gains (like upgauged mainline AA flights to DFW and new/resumed Eagle service to LGA & PHX) and a few sporadic G4 markets.

I doubt B6 would see any value adding MEM, as there are arguably a half dozen rust belt points with more traffic and local corporate connections like CVG, MCI, MSP, STL, etc. Otherwise there really isn't anyone suitable for the market. WN is a small ~10 departure station that was only recently converted from FL in 2013.
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Very true. The only thing I can offer (originally from MEM here) is that I know the airport has been heavily courting B6 for quite a while...again, they also court anyone who might offer new service. However, I know BOS is pretty much at the top of MEM's list for new service as far as the East Coast goes.
 
SouthEnder88 said:
Very true. The only thing I can offer (originally from MEM here) is that I know the airport has been heavily courting B6 for quite a while...again, they also court anyone who might offer new service. However, I know BOS is pretty much at the top of MEM's list for new service as far as the East Coast goes.
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Interesting, Memphis lacks flights to Washington Dulles.

It's only a matter of time before JetBlue starts filling in the Midwest and Southeast. I am willing to bet that by 2020, they fly to Minneapolis/St. Paul, Atlanta, Memphis, San Antonio, Louisville, St. Louis and Kansas City.
 
Judging buy the announcement this week on their Airbus order and thoughts about going to Europe, i would say that's the priority and money. If they could do Mint to Europe, they have a loyal BOS and NYC following and a top quality product to feed from LA, SFO, and soon SEA and SD. I think MEM and those only get prioritized to the extent that more people will use boston as a jump off to Europe. Has to be way more money in that then just serving MEM as point to point.
 
choo said:
Judging buy the announcement this week on their Airbus order and thoughts about going to Europe, i would say that's the priority and money. If they could do Mint to Europe, they have a loyal BOS and NYC following and a top quality product to feed from LA, SFO, and soon SEA and SD. I think MEM and those only get prioritized to the extent that more people will use boston as a jump off to Europe. Has to be way more money in that then just serving MEM as point to point.
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Choo -- Jet Blue has played Chess [maybe even 3D] while the rest are playing checkers

At Logan Jet Blue "owns" C and now that there is the direct connection from C-E with expansion of E now and more later -- they stand to really benefit

Who is the Mega US winner airline -- the 'New Big Kid" on the block Jet Blue

What they need to do now is over the next few years rebuild the C gate areas much like American and US Air transformed B
 
whighlander said:
Choo -- Jet Blue has played Chess [maybe even 3D] while the rest are playing checkers

At Logan Jet Blue "owns" C and now that there is the direct connection from C-E with expansion of E now and more later -- they stand to really benefit

Who is the Mega US winner airline -- the 'New Big Kid" on the block Jet Blue

What they need to do now is over the next few years rebuild the C gate areas much like American and US Air transformed B
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Could not agree more. The check-in area at Terminal C is great and then you go out to the piers and it's awful. I would love to see them completely demolish and rebuild the piers in C.
 
mass88 said:
Could not agree more. The check-in area at Terminal C is great and then you go out to the piers and it's awful. I would love to see them completely demolish and rebuild the piers in C.
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I have to agree with this, but I have no idea how you do it and maintain the traffic volume at Logan. It is hard to imagine having that number of gates out of service -- and for our biggest carrier.
 
JeffDowntown said:
I have to agree with this, but I have no idea how you do it and maintain the traffic volume at Logan. It is hard to imagine having that number of gates out of service -- and for our biggest carrier.
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Maybe close one pier at a time, (or close off of half pier down the center) use the gates in the beautiful new 8,9,10 Jet Blue gates plus the E1,E2 gates and maybe E3 gates now that the connection between C and E is easily accessable. If the city of Boston was kept open during the Big Dig this renovation is certainly doable.
 
atlantaden said:
Maybe close one pier at a time, (or close off of half pier down the center) use the gates in the beautiful new 8,9,10 Jet Blue gates plus the E1,E2 gates and maybe E3 gates now that the connection between C and E is easily accessable. If the city of Boston was kept open during the Big Dig this renovation is certainly doable.
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Maybe you could do it in 6 bites. Taking one arm of a T Pier then the body of a T Pier (with thru flow still) in sequence. It would be really expensive construction (like the Big Dig was).
 
atlantaden said:
https://www.thestreet.com/story/136...ose-one-stop-flights-despite-jetblue-hub.html

Interesting read about Boston's lead in passengers choosing one-stop flights over available non-stops.
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Found another white paper about the largest one-stop markets internationally in the world. Let me know if the link makes you register and I will just post the data.

http://www.oag.com/hubfs/Free_Reports/Underserved_Uncovered/UnderservedUncovered-Report.pdf

A lot of big-city to big city pairs (many involve Bangkok, Beijing or Shanghai) are on this route list.

Boston-Cancun does make the list at #18 One-stop traffic out numbers non-stop by a factor of 2 to 1. Compared to the widely available 2011 numbers O+D has gone up 50% in the past four years. Its definitely not in Jetblue's interest to chase all these passengers but is it something for Southwest or United to consider if they have a spare plane available on Saturday or Sunday. They now can serve the route since openskies is coming soon between US and Mexico.
 
JeffDowntown said:
I have to agree with this, but I have no idea how you do it and maintain the traffic volume at Logan. It is hard to imagine having that number of gates out of service -- and for our biggest carrier.
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JeffDowntown -- Obviously it has to be done in stages

The question is that is it possible to build something new with minimal disruption to what is existing -- a la the United work at B -- and then use the new section while selectively closing parts of the old for refurbishment

By the way -- I found the perfect videos for the construction groupey -- this one is better than Forge of Empires [although without Kate Upton] -- correction -- that one with her is [Game Of War: Fire Age]

Anyway -- Parsons-Brinkerhoff [Yes, the Big Dig] has developed what they call Parsons Brinckerhoff Project Visualization -- several of there examples feature Logan projects including:
Logan Airport-Terminal C Animation -- 3 years ago
https://vimeopro.com/projectviz/aviation/video/64836083
Logan Airport Terminal C Infrastructure -- 2 years ago
https://vimeopro.com/projectviz/aviation/video/92699238

Check-em-out :cool:
 
http://www.regulations.gov/document?D=DOT-OST-2016-0135-0001

Volaris made a bonkers route authority application on Friday to DOT. I don't think they have a huge plane order either for these routes.

Concerning Logan Airport it asks for "d. From Acapulco, Guadalajara, Huatulco, Loreto, Manzanillo, Mazatlan, Mexico City, Toluca, Monterrey, Puerto Vallarta, San Jose del Cabo, and lxtapa/ Zihuatanejo to Boston and New York, and beyond to Europe."

You probably need your head examined if you think they are all happening but Cabo and Puerto Vallarta could be game at some sort of 1-3 weekly frequency (seasonal too)
 
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