Logan Airport Flights and Airlines Discussion

More from the Massport Budget

58M$ spent on Logan Shuttle Buses
2M$ spent as part of "Ground Transportation Initiative" -- presumably the Silver Line
 
Some intereresting gist for the common mode of travel discussion gleaned from the VHB preoared Enviro Report for the Terminal B-B and C-E Connection Projects at Logan
Appendix B
Surface Transportation Supporting Documentation
Logan Terminal B – Pier A, 2010 Departures (peak hour)

Private Vehicle 189
Rental Car 54*
Taxicabs 207
Courtesy Vehicles
Airport Operated Shuttles (Parking) 135
Airport Operated Shuttles (Subway, Waterway) 45
Airport Operated Shuttles (MPA Employee Shuttle) NA
Rental Car Shuttles 54**
Hotel‐Motel Shuttles 45
Shared Ride 72
MBTA Silver Line 36
Logan Express 36
Scheduled Bus Service 27
Charter Bus 9
Total 909
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corrected Total 855 -- I beleive that the total should be 855 as the table double counted the Rental car # of 54 {* rental car, ** rental car shuttle bus}

Subtotal using the roads to arrive at Logan (cars & buses) 702 82%
Subtotal using T via the Blue Line or the Silver Line 153 17%

Wonder how this will change with the Free Silver Line?
 
I notice that they're working the Virgin America exclave back into the terminal proper, with a central checkpoint. That may be because these alternatives seem to give the current "bubble" gates in front of the checkpoint to United, which would mean that B37 and B38 would be handed to American to compensate, with VX ending up somewhere else (probably A, where Continental would have just vacated).

Since US Airways and American will probably merge before this project is complete, this plan seems to accommodate that coming consolidation as well as the current situation. I bet US Airways moves over to the new construction in that scenario, and United ends up in US Aiways' current gates.
 
The numbers for May have be released. Total passengers stand at 11,553,820, up 3.3% from this point last year.

JAL's flights for May have an average load factor of over 96%. Healthy loads, hopefully the fares are high enough.
 
96% seems very healthy, but I don't know anything about this segment of the market. What is a reasonable load factor? What's the load factor that puts the flight in danger? (I understand that fares are a critical factor in this, but for the purpose of argument lets say fares are at a healthy and competitive level as well)
 
choo said:
96% seems very healthy, but I don't know anything about this segment of the market. What is a reasonable load factor? What's the load factor that puts the flight in danger? (I understand that fares are a critical factor in this, but for the purpose of argument lets say fares are at a healthy and competitive level as well)
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If fares are healthy and thus the yields are healthy, then 96% would mean the flight is making good money for the airline.

Without knowing the real costs per seat mile, or the overall cost of a flight, I would guess anything above 60% would make the flights money. Again, this is assuming the fares are high enough.

It's still a young flight, the real barometer will be after it has been running for 10-12 months. The load factor will probably fall a little as the flight has gone from 4 times a week to daily.
 
mass88 said:
The numbers for May have be released. Total passengers stand at 11,553,820, up 3.3% from this point last year.

JAL's flights for May have an average load factor of over 96%. Healthy loads, hopefully the fares are high enough.
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Always enjoy your take on the airport and the info that you provide! Just curious, where do you find your figures?
 
atlantaden said:
Always enjoy your take on the airport and the info that you provide! Just curious, where do you find your figures?
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I took them from the Massport website. They release a breakdown every month of passenger statistics.
 
choo said:
96% seems very healthy, but I don't know anything about this segment of the market. What is a reasonable load factor? What's the load factor that puts the flight in danger? (I understand that fares are a critical factor in this, but for the purpose of argument lets say fares are at a healthy and competitive level as well)
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Choo -- this is constantly moving target driven to a major extent by the cost of jet fuel

If the cost of gallon of gasoline (proxy for jet fuel) drops back to the $1.50 range of 2007/8 -- the profit potential of a long haul flight just went way up -- or conversely the required load factor just plunged

run fgasoline up to the $5.00 people were talking about last summer -- no airline can make a profit on anything except a full airplane probably with some sort of fuel adjustment charge

So right now -- with gasoline likely under $3.00 by December -- flying should start to get cheaper and airlines should start making money again -- not quite "Happy Days" -- but at least not "Down in the Dumps"

Meanwhile consolidation and restrufturing away from Hubs cities is going to continue -- ultimately what Logan needs is a continuous link beyond the checkpoint from A to B, B1 to B2, B to C, C to E enabling airline restructuring and code sharing without constant reconstruction of the Airport
 
Even at the jet fuel levels around $3.30 at peak in April, the airlines were profitable (with the exception of AMR). Over the last few weeks jet fuel is down to $2.70/gal so the airlines will print money if things continue. The worry right now is that fuel costs will jump back up.

Generally oil and the euro/usd are inversely related. Continued weakness in Europe means the USD appreciates in value, and means the cost of a barrel of oil becomes cheaper in USD terms. If Europe issues continue, Jet Fuel will remain cheaper but the US will likely weaken economically. Only if the US economy weakens will we likely see fares drop. Generally fares are very sticky so don't expect airlines to drop fares with cheap oil, it will just go to the bottom line.

The airlines have a lot to prove to investors and must be able to be profitable regardless of economic circumstances (or at least not losing billions of dollars), so it will be the norm for a long time to see capacity discipline and higher fares.

Peterborough
http://www.bostontipster.com
 
As long as the load and yield levels are high in the premium classes, then the route will be strong from a profitability standpoint.
 
With only 186 seats (42J/144Y), it's no wonder that nonstop BOS-NRT is doing well load-wise. I'm sure that the route will do quite well because of the vast array of connections JAL can offer over NRT, not to mention the joint venture with American and Boston's large AAdvantage following.

Not sure if any material changes have been noted since the route went daily on 6/1?
 
omaja said:
With only 186 seats (42J/144Y), it's no wonder that nonstop BOS-NRT is doing well load-wise. I'm sure that the route will do quite well because of the vast array of connections JAL can offer over NRT, not to mention the joint venture with American and Boston's large AAdvantage following.

Not sure if any material changes have been noted since the route went daily on 6/1?
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Omaja -- don't forget the Jet Blue connection -- both logically and eventually physically when the construction is done between Terminals E and C post security
 
I want a real answer to this, not "lol unions".

I arrived at Logan Airport at 1:10am (an hour late).

Airport was pretty damn empty, we were one of the last flights of the day.

....

At the central parking garage, you are bombarded with pre-pay machines. Not a new concept at logan or anywhere. Pay, then insert ticket into machine to leave.

There are even giant signs saying

You MUST pay before returning to car.



....but once one drives to the garage exit, there are two prepay lanes.....and four staffed lanes for people who didnt prepay.

Four staffed lanes at 1:30am when you MUST prepay before entering car.



WHY?
 
jass said:
I want a real answer to this, not "lol unions".

I arrived at Logan Airport at 1:10am (an hour late).

Airport was pretty damn empty, we were one of the last flights of the day.

....

At the central parking garage, you are bombarded with pre-pay machines. Not a new concept at logan or anywhere. Pay, then insert ticket into machine to leave.

There are even giant signs saying

You MUST pay before returning to car.



....but once one drives to the garage exit, there are two prepay lanes.....and four staffed lanes for people who didnt prepay.

Four staffed lanes at 1:30am when you MUST prepay before entering car.



WHY?
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+1

I've always wondered the same thing.
 
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