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and the rapid transit Blue Line!!
If they improve the airport shuttles I'll include that, the 10 minute stop at the rental car center just isn't necessary for transit users trying to get to the airport. London airports have *direct* train connections, the tube even has multiple stops at Heathrow to serve the various terminals
 

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If they improve the airport shuttles I'll include that, the 10 minute stop at the rental car center just isn't necessary for transit users trying to get to the airport. London airports have *direct* train connections, the tube even has multiple stops at Heathrow to serve the various terminals
Agree completely here. Its very frustrating taking the bus, only for it to make a prolonged stop at the Rental Car Center and wait for every straggler to run on even though the bus is full. Just as we start to move, the driver sees someone else and lets them on wasting 45 seconds, and this cycle repeats.
 

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My trip out of BOS was in that first Sunday snow and some vehicle (looked like an articulated bus) had jammed the upramp to the Departures Level. As a result (1) no traffic from the BL to the terminal on "Transportation Way" was flowing. None. (2) Any bus that made it back to the Blue Line (from the terminals) was being held at the T stop (so as to shelter waiting passengers).

I decided to see how far the walk was to E. I like walking. It was very lightly snowing and the ground had a skimcoat of slush. I knew it would be a predictable 15 minutes (whereas the bus were all showing "next bus" 13 minutes, and had been for 10 minutes). I had plenty of time, but not time for not knowing when the bus would move, or if, or how long it'd take once moving. Two airline/airport employees started ahead of me by about a minute, so I knew it would work.
It would have been fine except:
1) There is currently no crosswalk from the BL T to the "Future E" sidewalk. It is an anti-pedestrian moonscape of underpass, cobblestone, and grass for the first 300 feet
Nor is there a curb cut, nor is there a pedestrian-friendly phase of the cycle of the light
(ok, technically, if you backtrack to the Northwest for long enough, there's a crosswalk, but only in the sense that if you walk on the grass long enough theres *always* a crosswalk *eventually*)

2) The walk should be covered if we actually intend people to use it. My roller bag sometimes plowed a little bow-wave of slush, but mostly cleared it. Mostly.

3) Walking through the western reaches of E's surface lot(s) was pretty miserable. I'm glad I had a spare (dry) pair of shoes to swap into for the flight.
 

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My trip out of BOS was in that first Sunday snow and some vehicle (looked like an articulated bus) had jammed the upramp to the Departures Level. As a result (1) no traffic from the BL to the terminal on "Transportation Way" was flowing. None. (2) Any bus that made it back to the Blue Line (from the terminals) was being held at the T stop (so as to shelter waiting passengers).

I decided to see how far the walk was to E. I like walking. It was very lightly snowing and the ground had a skimcoat of slush. I knew it would be a predictable 15 minutes (whereas the bus were all showing "next bus" 13 minutes, and had been for 10 minutes). I had plenty of time, but not time for not knowing when the bus would move, or if, or how long it'd take once moving. Two airline/airport employees started ahead of me by about a minute, so I knew it would work.
It would have been fine except:
1) There is currently no crosswalk from the BL T to the "Future E" sidewalk. It is an anti-pedestrian moonscape of underpass, cobblestone, and grass for the first 300 feet
Nor is there a curb cut, nor is there a pedestrian-friendly phase of the cycle of the light
(ok, technically, if you backtrack to the Northwest for long enough, there's a crosswalk, but only in the sense that if you walk on the grass long enough theres *always* a crosswalk *eventually*)

2) The walk should be covered if we actually intend people to use it. My roller bag sometimes plowed a little bow-wave of slush, but mostly cleared it. Mostly.

3) Walking through the western reaches of E's surface lot(s) was pretty miserable. I'm glad I had a spare (dry) pair of shoes to swap into for the flight.
I use to live in Jeffries Point and frequently walked to Terminal C at Logan to catch a flight. If I was in a hurry, I'd walk to the Rental Car Center to catch a shuttle to the terminals. On a few occasions, friends and I use to just take a walk to the airport to do a loop--get our steps in, a bite to eat, maybe a drink at Jerry Remy's pre-security, the 9/11 Memorial... there's a lot to see at Logan if you're not catching a flight, fortunately.

I've done the walk from Airport Station before and agree that if you're going to Terminal E it's not the most hospitable; however, there are at least other options (and not as much of a time suck as you'd expect). If you like to walk and aren't in a rush, I recommend taking the path by Memorial Stadium from Airport Station to the Rental Car Center. From RCC, there's sidewalks and paths (including a beautiful one next to the harbor) that lead you to Terminal A. The skybridge from A to E is about a 5-minute walk. In total--it's about a 24-minute, 1-mile walk. (link)

When most places design a road with no walking facilities, I think it's ultimately an oversight. But in Boston and specifically at Massport, I think it's explicit: if there's no sidewalk facility, it's because they don't want you to walk there.
 

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I think they're going to want to accommodate bike & walk, 99% of whom will be employees.

And frankly, the walk from plane to immigration at LGW is probably just as long as from the T to Term E.
 

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Frontier has added daily Boston-San Juan PR starting 4/23 that was part of a greater expansion from Miami and Newark.

 

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Summer 2020 notable increases/decreases per airliners OAG update thread
Alaska going to 4 daily Seattle
Alaska going down to single daily Los Angeles
Southwest going to 5 daily St Louis
JetBlue going up to 3 daily Savannah on weekends.
 

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Allegiant has decided to come to Logan Airport and launch service to smaller metro areas in USA.

Biweekly Asheville, Grand Rapids, Knoxville, and Destin/Ft Walton start in Early May.

The first three are Monday/Friday and Destin is Thursday/Sunday. All depart early morning to Logan and turnaround by noon at the latest.

 

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Allegiant has decided to come to Logan Airport and launch service to smaller metro areas in USA.

Biweekly Asheville, Grand Rapids, Knoxville, and Destin/Ft Walton start in Early May.

The first three are Monday/Friday and Destin is Thursday/Sunday. All depart early morning to Logan and turnaround by noon at the latest.

Enjoy the 2 years of service before they inevitably abandon it, everyone!

Allegiant: the distracted toddler of the airline industry.
 

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Asheville and Destin/Ft Walton might have some staying power, given the long-term "half my family moved south" affinities.

Knoxville, as home to Oak Ridge National Labs, sometimes surprises. It is certainly a place to find scientist types to interview for tech jobs.

Grand Rapids is a tough sell. If you aren't already on a DeVos family jet, why are you coming to Boston?
 

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In two years it will probably be Des Moines, Columbia-SC, Sioux Falls, and Latrobe,PA ;)
 

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Does anyone know roughly when Logan Airport will release their 2019 travel statistics? I'm curious whether the airport cracked 43 million passengers or not.
 

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Asheville and Destin/Ft Walton might have some staying power, given the long-term "half my family moved south" affinities.

Knoxville, as home to Oak Ridge National Labs, sometimes surprises. It is certainly a place to find scientist types to interview for tech jobs.

Grand Rapids is a tough sell. If you aren't already on a DeVos family jet, why are you coming to Boston?
UTenn main campus is Knoxville too and it has Smoky Mountains. Asheville/Boston makes for a hipster long weekend in either direction.

Now Grand Rapids is actually the largest market O+D wise of these announcements. Does anyone go there in summer for Lake Michigan? I was at the Travel and Adventure show and Lake Michigan beaches were discussed as being a new hot spot.
 

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I really think most of these allegiant flights are aimed at bringing tourists TO Boston. Boston is a HUGE summer tourism destination and that's what Allegiant specializes in. All of these flights seem to be timed to encourage weekend visitors to Boston. There is virtually 0 % chance that anyone traveling for work / interviews / conferences will be using a twice weekly flight on a ULCC leisure airline
 
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Now Grand Rapids is actually the largest market O+D wise of these announcements. Does anyone go there in summer for Lake Michigan? I was at the Travel and Adventure show and Lake Michigan beaches were discussed as being a new hot spot.
Yes, that's the part I'm suspicious of. The other 3 have price-sensitive VFR/College/Early Career demographics, which Allegient could aspire to stimulate.

BOS-GRR seems very finite, even if it is larger.
 

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Bit of a shame Allegiant appears to have no partner airlines or codeshares. The direct market for these flights seems small, if they offered international connections onward then I could see it working out but it looks like they partner with absolutely no one...
 

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Yes, that's the part I'm suspicious of. The other 3 have price-sensitive VFR/College/Early Career demographics, which Allegient could aspire to stimulate.

BOS-GRR seems very finite, even if it is larger.
GRR is a "focus city" for Allegient. I'm wondering if, unlike the other destinations, they're thinking that they'll get connecting traffic in addition to the O&D. For example, they fly from GRR to Phoenix, Vegas, Austin, LA, etc. It's not completely in line with their point to point model, but they may believe that that they'll get some leisure travelers from Boston heading to those sunny destinations out west.
 

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GRR is a "focus city" for Allegient. I'm wondering if, unlike the other destinations, they're thinking that they'll get connecting traffic in addition to the O&D. For example, they fly from GRR to Phoenix, Vegas, Austin, LA, etc. It's not completely in line with their point to point model, but they may believe that that they'll get some leisure travelers from Boston heading to those sunny destinations out west.
Allegiant doesn't do connections. They are entirely point-to-point.

These flights are not aimed at Bostonians. Even if Allegiant did offer connections, who in their right mind would fly a twice weekly BOS-GRR-PHX/AUS/LAS when there are multiple carriers offering daily nonstop flights on all of those routes. Bostonians have plenty of better options for leisure travel. These flights are aimed at folks in secondary markets who want a weekend in Beantown, for whom Allegiant is really their only option.
 
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