MA Casino Developments

Shaw's wanted to put a supermarket here, but the state did not want to allow them to build a road across the commuter rail tracks to connect to the Gateway Plaza (Target, etc). So it didn't happen.
 
Semass said:
I wonder if Wynn knows how contaminated this parcel is.
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I wonder if Wynn has any sense of humanity left. This location is perfect for redistributing the wealth - but in the WRONG direction. The demographics in Everett, Somerville, Medford, Malden and most of Charlestown are no different than those in East Boston and Revere.

Regarding access - route 99 is a disaster already, route 16 is no better, and route 93 exits either through Sullivan Square from the south or through Wellington Circle from the north, both of which can barely handle the traffic they currently have. Wynn is going to have to airlift his patrons/suckers in.

If we must dance with the devil, let's locate this thing in the Seaport and make it cater specifically to the drunk and the wealthy.
 
mass88 said:
How about the developer/owner kicks in some money as well.
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That's what I was thinking. There really isn't much they can do for road access. No matter what: roads will suck. And it will mean Rutherford Ave will always be a pseudo-highway and never be downgraded.

But I'm sure the developer could see the benefit in kicking off the Urban Ring, especially with direct airport access.
 
The idea of a casino being located in Everett Massachusetts next door to NSTAR Power Grid and built on top of contaminated land that Monsanto destroyed is probably one of the worst Ideas I have ever heard on this board. Either Wynn has way too much time on his hands or seriously the casino leaders have realized that Everett, E.Boston, Malden, Revere, Saugus, Winthrop, Chelsea has the biggest degenerates in the country.

Our political leaders at this point will destroy those surrounding areas when a casino is built.

Shame on them.
 
Either Wynn has way too much time on his hands or seriously the casino leaders have realized that Everett, E.Boston, Malden, Revere, Saugus, Winthrop, Chelsea has the biggest degenerates in the country.
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TheRifleman said:
Everett, E.Boston, Malden, Revere, Saugus, Winthrop, Chelsea
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You forgot Lynn.

Drop Malden, but then add Lynn and Nahant: you now have the most politically apathetic/unaware place in the state. Very easy to fuck them over. That area is a hotbed for corruption and dickery in this state. The folks in Eastie have an impressive resistance to casinos, however.
 
BostonUrbEx said:
You forgot Lynn.

Drop Malden, but then add Lynn and Nahant: you now have the most politically apathetic/unaware place in the state. Very easy to fuck them over. That area is a hotbed for corruption and dickery in this state. The folks in Eastie have an impressive resistance to casinos, however.
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I just love New England classism ;)
 
Yeah! And Obama! Blah, blah, blah, fascism... Blah, blah, blah, they're taking away our guns...
Let's keep the politics out of it.
 
TheRifleman said:
or seriously the casino leaders have realized that Everett, E.Boston, Malden, Revere, Saugus, Winthrop, Chelsea has the biggest degenerates in the country.
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Billion dollar casinos are not built and sustained by "degenerates" throwing $40-$50 into a slot machine. It's the folks dropping $20-$100 or more per hand of blackjack/roulette spin/roll of the dice etc. The folks you refer to are not what a Wynn casino is looking for in terms of target patrons because they simply don't have the cash even if they throw down everything they have. I laugh every time I hear about how casinos will ruin communities. Ever been to a bar that does Keno in the middle of the day, a crowded package store where "degenerates" scratch tickets multiple times daily as if that's their job? Most of these degenerates are not going to bother setting foot in any upscale casino. They'd be out of money minutes after walking in the door.
 
BosDevelop said:
Billion dollar casinos are not built and sustained by "degenerates" throwing $40-$50 into a slot machine. It's the folks dropping $20-$100 or more per hand of blackjack/roulette spin/roll of the dice etc. The folks you refer to are not what a Wynn casino is looking for in terms of target patrons because they simply don't have the cash even if they throw down everything they have. I laugh every time I hear about how casinos will ruin communities. Ever been to a bar that does Keno in the middle of the day, a crowded package store where "degenerates" scratch tickets multiple times daily as if that's their job? Most of these degenerates are not going to bother setting foot in any upscale casino. They'd be out of money minutes after walking in the door.
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100% wrong.
Have you ever been to Foxwoods? The casino makes 40Million dollars a weekend on SLOTS. Thats exactly what they are going for the poor demoralized soul looking to spend his or her rent money so he can have that HOPE or Dream. The casinos make their money on the MASSES like Welfare recipient, Working class, blue collared families, thrown some white collared gambling degenerates don't forget the social security folks that live on a budget. Those are the regular players until the weekends. Friday and Saturday night players in which that brings in the above average bettors to the table more just for action and fun to blow off steam.

A casino in Everett or Revere would be a Nuclear Bomb for these hardworking folks. Its a shame
Also Chelsea, Everett, Lynn, Revere, Eastie have massive amounts of DRUG money rolling through those cities these days.
 
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Funny...

Seems like everyone on and off this forum agrees that the Seaport would be the best, and probably only, place for this to go within the city.

And yet, no proposal there... instead a proposal on a toxic site in a low-income area.

Is the Seaport really that politically toxic? If it is, then something should be done to bring everyone to their senses.
 
Shepard said:
Funny...

Seems like everyone on and off this forum agrees that the Seaport would be the best, and probably only, place for this to go within the city.

And yet, no proposal there... instead a proposal on a toxic site in a low-income area.

Is the Seaport really that politically toxic? If it is, then something should be done to bring everyone to their senses.
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I'm not crazy about the Casinos even being in the city but overall I think the Seaport would be the place to put them.

High End housing & Good work environment from some corporations would probably keep the area somewhat Balanced
 
I would only 'support' the casinos in the Seaport because I've given up on it ever being and actual decent, dense urban neighborhood.
 
There is no consensus that the Seaport District is the only worthy place. The only worthy place is outside the borders of Boston, Massachusetts; Suffolk County, preferably.

People have worked too hard to improve the city to throw it all away on a get-rich-quick scheme.

Next topic.
 
TheRifleman said:
100% wrong.
Have you ever been to Foxwoods? The casino makes 40Million dollars a weekend on SLOTS. Thats exactly what they are going for the poor demoralized soul looking to spend his or her rent money so he can have that HOPE or Dream. The casinos make their money on the MASSES like Welfare recipient, Working class, blue collared families, thrown some white collared gambling degenerates don't forget the social security folks that live on a budget. Those are the regular players until the weekends. Friday and Saturday night players in which that brings in the above average bettors to the table more just for action and fun to blow off steam.

A casino in Everett or Revere would be a Nuclear Bomb for these hardworking folks. Its a shame
Also Chelsea, Everett, Lynn, Revere, Eastie have massive amounts of DRUG money rolling through those cities these days.
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Have I ever been to Foxwoods? At least 20 times. And Mohegan at least a dozen times. And Vegas at least 20 times in the last 15 years. I also have experience in my professional life with the casino industry. You are severely misinformed if you think the bread and butter of these billion dollar full casinos (not the slots and bingo parlors like Twin River) profits are with some blue collar worker throwing down a couple hundred bucks a week out of his $35,000 a year salary. It would take hundreds of thousands of those folks to sustain a local casino. The numbers aren't there. It's the higher rollers the casinos want and need. Just like professional sports teams nowadays all rely on luxury suites to be profitable. The real profits are not coming from the guy buying a $15 nosebleed seat. Just like expensive restaurants rely on the $100+ bottle of wines and $40 steaks and not the person who sits at the bar, orders a a beer and a burger.
 
BosDevelop said:
Have I ever been to Foxwoods? At least 20 times. And Mohegan at least a dozen times. And Vegas at least 20 times in the last 15 years. I also have experience in my professional life with the casino industry. You are severely misinformed if you think the bread and butter of these billion dollar full casinos (not the slots and bingo parlors like Twin River) profits are with some blue collar worker throwing down a couple hundred bucks a week out of his $35,000 a year salary. It would take hundreds of thousands of those folks to sustain a local casino. The numbers aren't there. It's the higher rollers the casinos want and need. Just like professional sports teams nowadays all rely on luxury suites to be profitable. The real profits are not coming from the guy buying a $15 nosebleed seat. Just like expensive restaurants rely on the $100+ bottle of wines and $40 steaks and not the person who sits at the bar, orders a a beer and a burger.
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The numbers are defintely there. Massachusetts is 33% of Foxwoods and Moheghan Revenue stream. Wynn would clean up.

If Wynn builds a billion dollar casino near Boston, Everyone in the surrounding areas will go to it just out of boredom. Every walk of life in the inner cities would hang out in this area.
#1 Welfare recipient
#2 Social Security Retirees
#3 Disability society
#4 Asian Community
#5 Working Class (mostly Blue/White on the weekends)
#6 Politicans
#7 Corporate Functions
#8 Govt Employees
#9 Drug Dealers
#10 Upper Working class
#11 Students/Grad Students

The casino would suck in everybody like a vampire on crack.

When I talk about Everett, Malden, Medford, Lynn, Revere, Saugus, Chelsea, Somerville, Eastie, Winthrop, Nahant. These areas will be effected very negatively.

But people would come from Worcester, Springfield, New Bedford, Fall River, Waltham, Canton, Dorchester, Jamica Plain, Roxbury, Everywhere in the state which would absolutely destroy that area.

Boston generates alot of money and a billion dollar casino is a no-brainer for an investor especially the 1st casino getting its feet wet in the area. Until the other casinos are built and then that would start to eat through each others profits the race to the 1st casino will be the key.

Casinos are all about the masses not the Whales
 
bolehboleh said:
I just love New England classism ;)
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Classism? How is this classism? Saugus, Nahant, and Winthrop have some pretty nice areas. Even Lynn does, up by Peabody. Fact is, it is a political shithole, whether you like that or not. If there is any classism, it is on the part of the politicians taking advantage of these people, not me for pointing out what assholes these politicians are.
 
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