MA Casino Developments

About traffic: is it really a major factor? Of the thousands of cars that will enter/exit any casino site in a given day, how many of them come and go at the same time? Save for the time where there is a major concert or sporting event (to the extent these facilities will even have such a venue), aren't customers' arrival and departures generally spread out over the course of the operating hours? Of course there will always be peak arrival and departure times especially on the weekends but will there really be gridlock as many warn if modest traffic improvements are made to any site? I have been to Foxwoods and Mohegan a dozen or so times and never had hit any serious traffic in those areas and it is pretty much one road in and one road out.
 
The border runs down that creek which surfaces in the middle of the track. Most of the track and all of the stands are in Eastie, a corner of the track and all of the stables are in Revere. The slots would be in Eastie.
 
Boston should annex Revere. Nom nom beachfront condos.
 
Kraft on casino fight: ’We like to win’
By Frank Quaratiello
Monday, December 5, 2011 - Updated 13 minutes ago


Calling him the Bill Belichick of casinos, New England Patriots [team stats] owner Robert Kraft said Las Vegas mogul Steve Wynn has a winning proposal to build a gambling mecca and conference center in Foxboro and hopes to win local approval in a matter of months.

"We have the best (casino) operating person in the world," Kraft said of fellow billionaire Wynn. "We like to win."

Wynn faces an uphill political battle against a Suffolk Downs casino proposal that has the backing of Bay State power brokers Hub Mayor Thomas M. Menino and House Speaker Robert DeLeo.

The mayor and House speaker are looking out for their interests, said Wynn, and "hopefully the selectmen and people of Foxboro will look out for theirs."

Both Kraft and Wynn touted the 10,000-plus jobs a casino would bring to Foxboro, and Kraft said town residents and their children would get first dibs on plum positions.

Wynn said he and Kraft, who is barred by NFL rules from having an ownership stake but would lease the land across Route 1 from Gillette Stadium to Wynn for the casino, would seek a local vote in 90-120 days and plan to release a rendering and more details about the proposed casino soon.

Wynn, who has developed casinos in Las Vegas, Atlantic City and Macao, said a Foxboro gambling establishment would be very different.

"It would be a very beautiful low- to mid-rise building no taller than Gillette Stadium," Wynn said. "A casino’s success these days has a lot to do with non-casino things. It would have a resort feeling."

He described a hotel and resort complex with gardens, trees, lots of glass and windows. Wynn said there would be restaurants, a theater venue, a conference center, shops, ballrooms and a separate casino gaming area that would only be 50,000-60,000 square feet.

The casino mogul said he first approached Kraft seven months ago through mutual friends and this weekend was only the the power pair’s third face-to-face meeting to discuss the proposal.

Calling Foxboro his hometown, Kraft said: "At this point, I’m into legacy, not driven by making money. ... What I care about is the investment my family has made in this town."

Wynn, who said he sought out Kraft as the best person to guide him through the Massachusetts casino approval process, downplayed what he called a professional protest over the weekend in Foxboro against his proposal.

"That protest was put on by our competitors. We’re not really good news for the competition," said Wynn, referring to the two Connecticut Indian casinos as well as gambling proposals by Suffolk Downs and Plainridge racetrack. "In a way, we’re flattered."


WOW this is getting good. Love the hightlighted phrase about giving the plum jobs to the people that live in the area.

http://www.bostonherald.com/business/general/view.bg?articleid=1386112&format=comments#CommentsArea

It's funny this news comes up next in the Herald.

Menino getting the news off Kraft fast........Breaking NEWS

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By Marie Szaniszlo
The push to erect a winterized tent at Occupy Boston was thwarted today by police and city inspectors who said no new structures will be allowed. Police formed a line keeping the tent from being brought into the tent city on Dewey...
 
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I don't get how traffic can be a concern for the Foxboro site. After all, what could possibly be worse for traffic than a football stadium (all I can think of is a larger football stadium)? That is a traffic producer where everyone hits the road around the same time.
 
Traffic won't be a problem at either location. This casino should be in Boston. The other two will only have the casino as a draw, it makes sense for the third to be in the city. Suffolk is a good spot for some resort development due to proximity to ocean and airport. It's also relatively close to the rest of downtown, and the Blue Line is better for such a destination than the Silver would be. The only real reason that might suggest the Seaport over Sufolk is that we might be able to work a deal with the developer to fix the Silver Line. Otherwise, why bother?
 
The paper suggested Suffolk Downs would have better attendance due to proximity to Boston. It is also true that the Ted Williams Tunnel often seems to have a much greater bandwidth than used by current traffic.

Your assumption about the capacity of the available road infrastructure immediately north of the terminus of I-90 is incorrect. The McClellan Highway (Route 1A) has been obsolete since the early 1970s.

About traffic: is it really a major factor? Of the thousands of cars that will enter/exit any casino site in a given day, how many of them come and go at the same time?

So the alternative to 8 hours of stop and go traffic every day would be...16 hours? 18 hours?

Traffic won't be a problem at either location.

Based on...?

As a taxpayer in one of the proposed "host communities," traffic is actually a red herring. We know what the typical result of increasing highway capacity is, don't we?

Most of you know me as a nominally pro-development, pro-business guy. This proposal is a loser for Boston, and a total pig-fuck for the people who have to live near it. We're not talking about shadows on a park in February anymore. If the owners of Suffolk Downs decided to close the track and develop it as a large mixed-use TOD with thousands of units of mixed-market housing, and office and retail space, I'd walk over there with a shovel.

CORRECTION:
The Boston Herald said:
House Speaker Robert DeLeo, who is believed to favor a Suffolk Downs-backed resort casino in his district of East Boston, took a conciliatory stance, saying he is “encouraged” by the Foxboro casino gambit.

Bob DeLeo doesn't represent East Boston; he represents Winthrop and part of Revere.
 
Based on...?
It will add to the total automotive trips, but it will be incremental. As already pointed out, we aren't talking about suddenly swamping the area with 100,000 tailgaters.
As a taxpayer in one of the proposed "host communities," traffic is actually a red herring. We know what the typical result of increasing highway capacity is, don't we?
I subscribe to Sicillian view. Casinos are happening, quite possibly one will be in Boston. What is the best way to do it? Although I think most of us would prefer that they not happen, we are now past that point.
Most of you know me as a nominally pro-development, pro-business guy. This proposal is a loser for Boston, and a total pig-fuck for the people who have to live near it. We're not talking about shadows on a park in February anymore. If the owners of Suffolk Downs decided to close the track and develop it as a large mixed-use TOD with thousands of units of mixed-market housing, and office and retail space, I'd walk over there with a shovel.

I agree without completely on thins. When is it going to happen? My expec3tation is that the track becomes a casino,or it becomes a wasteland.
 
Wynn spoke today about the casino concerns for Foxboro. He vowed that he would never build a Vegas-style casino here, it would be no taller than Gillette Stadium, and that there would be lush gardens, tree filled areas, and enormous glass curtain walls to capture the local atmosphere.
 
Wynn spoke today about the casino concerns for Foxboro. He vowed that he would never build a Vegas-style casino here, it would be no taller than Gillette Stadium, and that there would be lush gardens, tree filled areas, and enormous glass curtain walls to capture the local atmosphere.

My eyes just rolled out of my head. All that's missing is unicorns that shit glitter.
 
Mayor Menino pushes to jump start waterfront projects in East Boston

By Andrew Ryan, Globe Staff

Boston Mayor Thomas M. Menino took aim at stalled development in East Boston today in a major policy address focused on the waterfront, announcing that the city will build a new marine terminal there to enhance ferry service and will finance roads and other infrastructure to kick-start some construction projects.

In a speech before the Greater Boston Chamber of Commerce, Menino spoke about the city’s intrinsic connection to its shoreline, from Boston Harbor to Jamaica Pond. He called for a new municipal harbor plan and described using the waterfront as an engine of job creation and economic growth.

The mayor pushed for a new “retail and cultural entry point” into Boston for the 300,000 cruise ship passengers who visit the city each year at Massport’s Black Falcon Cruise Terminal in South Boston. He proposed utilizing the nearby Bronstein Center, a massive 825,000-square-foot concrete building near the water.

Menino also pledged $1 million a year to improve ferry or water taxi service in the city. But his main focus was East Boston, where the mayor described nine long-planned residential and retail development projects that have languished in the down economy. Five other large swaths of waterfront land sit dormant with untapped potential.

“Economic uncertainty has stalled progress” in East Boston, Menino said this morning, speaking at a Back Bay hotel ballroom. “But I believe focus, collective action, and investment by the city can jump-start it.”

The administration proposed creating an East Boston Waterfront Development District, a designation that will allow the city to make upfront investments in roads and other infrastructure to lessen the cost of private construction and encourage development. The city would finance the work, in anticipation of an increase in property tax revenue when the residential buildings and commercial storefronts have been completed.

To pay for the $1 million pledge for water transit, Menino suggested a $1 to $2 surcharge in fees paid by cruise ship passengers, a hike that would require state legislation or cooperation from the Massachusetts Port Authority. The increase in ferry or water taxi service would be aided by the construction of a new marine terminal, which would be located near the new T stop in Maverick Square.

“I will be pulling together the developers, the unions, and community stakeholders over the next 90 days to put this plan in action,” Menino said.

The annual speech this morning before the chamber of commerce was typical of Menino’s fifth term. He put forward what appeared to be practical, concrete proposals. Over his 18 years as mayor, Menino has in the past used major speeches to push far-fetched ideas – a new skyscraper, the wind turbine on City Hall Plaza – that never came to fruition.

The grounded, more realistic approach may be the product of a five-term mayor thinking about his legacy. But it could also be the work of an almost 69-year-old elected official seriously considering a run for a sixth, four-year term in 2013. As Menino waxed this morning about the waterfront, he noted that the city has 163 miles of shoreline, which is the equivalent of running the Boston Marathon six times.

“There are some things I could imagine running six times,” Menino said. “But the marathon isn’t one of them.”

He also took a swipe at New England Patriot’s owner Robert Kraft, whose has been in talked with casino mogul Steve Wynn to build a gambling resort in Foxborough. That puts Kraft in direct competition with Menino, who is trying to lure a casino developer to Suffolk Downs racetrack in East Boston. Under the state’s new gaming law, only one of the locations could host a casino.

That would explain Menino’s quip this morning when he began his speech at The Fairmont Copley Plaza.

“Before we start, I have to ask: Are we in the right place?” Menino said. “I heard some reports that Steve Wynn had moved this speech to Foxborough, too.”

Andrew Ryan can be reached at acryan@globe.com Follow him on Twitter @globeandrewryan.

http://www.boston.com/Boston/metrod...AcHr7ffqD8T2afDDew1K/index.html?p1=News_links
 
I subscribe to Sicillian view. Casinos are happening, quite possibly one will be in Boston. What is the best way to do it? Although I think most of us would prefer that they not happen, we are now past that point.


It's a real shame that these casinos got a approved. I have a question. The economy is in shambles for the Middle class and poor people. With so many casinos being built and online gambling available and a bookie on every corner street in Mass it seems that they are all going to cannibalize each other. It's difficult to justify Billion dollar casinos and how they will maintain themselves with the current cash flow coming in.

Foxwoods and Mohegan will go bankrupt unless they create something of a destination for that area. That won't happen at this point. They are DEAD in the water. 35% of Revenues will be GONE forever. Possibly even more.
I personally would never drive back to that area ever again.
The Indians who put their trust in the management that should have protected their money tree made all the wrong decisions. Never had a vision or paid off enough politicians to keep gambling illegal.

Personally I believe the area around Suffolk Downs the Traffic will pose a big problem now especially if a casino development of minimum of 300-500 Million was developed.

The Traffic will look like the area around Wellington Circle that area has become a mess. Benton Brut, you know what I'm talking about. Too much development and not enough focus on road infraustructure have been built in the last 10 years.

30 years ago their was probably 1 car per every household.
We never upgraded the road infrastructure or make things more accesible for those areas. Everybody wants to build developments. Nobody is making it easy to make things more accessible for the citizens around Boston. The MBTA Orange Line is still the same cars from 30 years ago.
 
It's a real shame that these casinos got a approved. I have a question. The economy is in shambles for the Middle class and poor people. With so many casinos being built and online gambling available and a bookie on every corner street in Mass it seems that they are all going to cannibalize each other. It's difficult to justify Billion dollar casinos and how they will maintain themselves with the current cash flow coming in.

Foxwoods and Mohegan will go bankrupt unless they create something of a destination for that area. That won't happen at this point. They are DEAD in the water. 35% of Revenues will be GONE forever. Possibly even more.
I personally would never drive back to that area ever again.
The Indians who put their trust in the management that should have protected their money tree made all the wrong decisions. Never had a vision or paid off enough politicians to keep gambling illegal.

Personally I believe the area around Suffolk Downs the Traffic will pose a big problem now especially if a casino development of minimum of 300-500 Million was developed.

The Traffic will look like the area around Wellington Circle that area has become a mess. Benton Brut, you know what I'm talking about. Too much development and not enough focus on road infraustructure have been built in the last 10 years.

30 years ago their was probably 1 car per every household.
We never upgraded the road infrastructure or make things more accesible for those areas. Everybody wants to build developments. Nobody is making it easy to make things more accessible for the citizens around Boston. The MBTA Orange Line is still the same cars from 30 years ago.

I would think that a lot more than 35% of their revenue will be gone forever. Lets say 3 casinos get built in Mass, that will pretty much take Mass out of it. Rhode Island will be split as a casino in Fall River lets say, will capture a large number of people from the Providence area.

Also, I don't know what stadium Menino is going to where it takes 2 and a half hours to get out of. I go to 3 Pats games a year and it never takes more than an hour (with weather issues) to go from P11 to 495.

I would simply widen rte 1. The stretch of rte 1 between 495 and 95 is not populated. It has the stadium and some various business park like developments. You could easily widen rte 1 to 3 lanes in each direction between 495 and 95 without major issue.
 
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I agree, I would rather the casino in FOXBORO. The state can widen the highway at this point.

East Boston/Revere is a mess during 7-8am 3-5pm for traffic and it will only get worse.
Suffolk would probably be more profitable but Kraft already has Patriots place and the area is geared for entertaiment.

Leave East Boston/Revere alone.
 
I have to (respectively) disagree with the foxboro idea. First, I think a foxboro casino will directly canabalize the revenue from a fall river/new bedford one.

I also think East Boston/Revere would benefit from the influx of jobs and people. I live in the north end, and aside from the airport, I have only ventured to East Boston once (to explore maverick and piers park). I am not a gambler by any means, but I would like the new shows/concerts/tours that come through the venue. I think it is well positioned to capture a lot of out of state and foreign clients that are in boston, where foxboro would just get more local crowds.

I also really don't think crime will be a huge issue. It is one casino, not a cluster. And i feel too many people watched goodfellas then thought it is how the casino industry operates. It is probably not the cleanest industry, but it is not the 1970s either. I think it can be a boon to the area. The jobs are good jobs, restaurants, hotels, music halls. When a new restaurant opens in back bay no one decries the low paying dishwasher jobs. They should make a concentrated effort to invest in the east boston and revere schools. help the local community.

Traffic is a mitigation that will need to dealt with like any development but i dont see it being a deal breaker. most people visiting the city and from downtown will take the T or ted williams.
 
^^^ Good post......Choo. The problem is I grew up in that area it actually has cleaned up over the years. A casino will only make it worse. Need to get Benton Brut involved in this discussion. He still lives in the area.
 
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East Boston/Revere is a mess during 7-8am 3-5pm for traffic and it will only get worse.

yeah, because there will definitely be thousands of cars trying to get to a casino at 7am on a Tuesday morning. Come on people. Common sense tells you that the vast majority of casino customers will not be arriving/departing by car during weekday rush hour. Peak casino times are in the evenings and the casino traffic during other times of day (especially during the work week) will be negligible.
 
Thanks. I am still torn on what the casino will do to the quality of life in Eastie, so i ultimately defer to the residents. I've considered moving to East Boston, and I am torn on what the casino would mean. My main hang up has been the water crossing to downtown. As someone without a car, it would be very limiting, especially going out late at night (see my recent posts in the T service thread). The casino may enhance transportation- like cheap all night water taxis and shuttles to the Casino as a way of bringing in more patrons. But as a residnet, that would be a huge benefit in getting from downtown or southie. That service might beget new residential developments (since the waterfront and suffolk downs are divided by the airport). So it really could in some scenarios be a boon for Eastie in several ways.
 
yeah, because there will definitely be thousands of cars trying to get to a casino at 7am on a Tuesday morning. Come on people. Common sense tells you that the vast majority of casino customers will not be arriving/departing by car during weekday rush hour. Peak casino times are in the evenings and the casino traffic during other times of day (especially during the work week) will be negligible.

No matter what traffic will be an issue......the area is still a pain in the ass to drive through, never mind having a casino down there.

Masschusetts is almost 35% of the revenue for Foxwoods. The quality of the people will be more scumbag, degerate, gambling junkies, along with lowest of the low and prostitutes, in the area than quality customers.

This is only my opinion but nothing good will come out of EastBoston/Revere with a casino, It will get RUN down like Detriot. Just my opinion
 
^^^ Good post......Choo. The problem is I grew up in that area it actually has cleaned up over the years. A casino will only make it worse. Need to get Benton Brut involved in this discussion. He still lives in the area.

Riff -- you got off a couple of good shots then the barrel started to foul again

How many cars flood into / out of Foxboro on game day -- 30,000?

even a Big Show at a Foxwoods/Mohegan sun scale complex probaby only draws 10,000 people

A casino would only cause a major traffic jam if some idiot scheduled Springsteen or such on a game afternoon in lousy weather time

Given as no bridges are involved and no tunnels -- expanding highway access to the Foxboro complex is not a major issue

I suggest that Menio / Vornado and Kraft /Wynn do the old Boston thing -- cut a deal

1 -- BIG Slots parlor at Suffolk complete with hotel and such to keep the track open active
2 -- Big Hotel, casino, Music Venue at Foxboro
3 ---Filenes Hole
4 -- BCEC 2nd major Hotel

there is enoigh here for the 4-some to have a nice round of money making -- my guess is that just as the lottery started with one weekly game -- Casinos and slots siting will be relaxed over the next decade and suffolk will be able to upgrade to full casino (perhaps not in name) and the BCEC Hotel will get some gaming opportunity as well
 

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