MA Casino Developments

Driving Through Boston-Somerville, Everett--Absolutely traffic is at gridlock on 93N--

A billion dollar a casino makes a lot of sense in this area. This would be catastrophic for all surrounding towns---Expect TRAFFIC GRIDLOCK constantly.

Great Leaders we have----Basic Shit for brains for planning.
 
When you use public transportation to commute you only worry about gridlock on the weekends. I walk from southie to FIDI daily when the weather permits and I'm always shocked at how many people require a climate controlled personal transport system just to show up at work in the morning. Are you carpooling when you deal with this gridlock?
 
Correct. Gridlock on 93 has nothing to do with 100 yards away. The highway is for getting in and out of the city. The point has always been that not only does a casino not have rush hour but a spread out usage, but who the hell is heading there directly from work? If you can't plan your trip around traffic in this area which has been known for it's traffic issues for decades, you're a masthead and you deserve to sit in traffic. 75% percent of people 'stuck' in traffic are there by choice not necessity. So I sympathize zero.

Yeah I made that number up.
 
Driving Through Boston-Somerville, Everett--Absolutely traffic is at gridlock on 93N--

A billion dollar a casino makes a lot of sense in this area. This would be catastrophic for all surrounding towns---Expect TRAFFIC GRIDLOCK constantly.

Great Leaders we have----Basic Shit for brains for planning.

By this logic we should be against any project anywhere that increases traffic then? What are your thoughts on Assembly Square then? It's in the same vicinity as the Wynn site and is more likely to add rush-hour trips to 93 than the casino.
 
By this logic we should be against any project anywhere that increases traffic then? What are your thoughts on Assembly Square then? It's in the same vicinity as the Wynn site and is more likely to add rush-hour trips to 93 than the casino.


Assembly Square was brilliant-- Especially adding the Orange Line connector

At this point---We need to add a Billion dollar Massive Infrastructure Overhaul with the Roads and the MBTA-

The Casino is a different animal than the Assembly Square Development. It's an 24-hour Entertainment Venue located in the most congested outdated infrastructure in the city.

Housing is so expensive in this city---That our leaders should go back and should investigate criminal charges against Monsanto for the cleanup-- Then create more desirable housing in that area.

I am not against the casino---The casino would make more sense in Downtown where it would be centralized not driving distance from any type of major terminals.
 
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Driving Through Boston-Somerville, Everett--Absolutely traffic is at gridlock on 93N--

A billion dollar a casino makes a lot of sense in this area. This would be catastrophic for all surrounding towns---Expect TRAFFIC GRIDLOCK constantly.

Great Leaders we have----Basic Shit for brains for planning.

Um, you know that being stuck in traffic isn't the same as coursework in civil engineering, right?

I believe upthread it was noted that the Casino expects 14,000 visitors *per day*....about what the TD Garden gets *per event* (and half of Fenway Park)...except that sports fans arrive very narrow window before the start of play and leave in a very narrow window at the end...they can make their own congestion, especially if game time is too near rush time.

Meanwhile, the Casino's visitors are spread basically evenly throughout the day, and basically NONE (or a number too small to ever be noticed, except at the immediate entrance off Rt 99) of them can be expected to travel during rush hour. In fact, they're free to actively avoid going to gamble when the roads are crowded (and so probably will).

I oppose the Casino, but I also oppose amateur/uninformed traffic analyses.
 
Um, you know that being stuck in traffic isn't the same as coursework in civil engineering, right?

I believe upthread it was noted that the Casino expects 14,000 visitors *per day*....about what the TD Garden gets *per event* (and half of Fenway Park)...except that sports fans arrive very narrow window before the start of play and leave in a very narrow window at the end...they can make their own congestion, especially if game time is too near rush time.

Meanwhile, the Casino's visitors are spread basically evenly throughout the day, and basically NONE (or a number too small to ever be noticed, except at the immediate entrance off Rt 99) of them can be expected to travel during rush hour. In fact, they're free to actively avoid going to gamble when the roads are crowded (and so probably will).

I oppose the Casino, but I also oppose amateur/uninformed traffic analyses.


TD Garden and Fenway are considered centralized in the city. Which can be accessible by Foot Traffic--- The casino is a little on the outskirts which this area posses major traffic concerns.

It's like the Seaport Development Planning---Lets build all these huge developments without proper infrastructure or foundation for public transit in place.

Its like Building a Skyscraper from the Top to the Foundation.
 
You still miss the point, that besides the people who work at the casino, there is no reason to go there at a designated time. That changes for scheduled events of course.

Although I think the Seaport is plenty accessible from public transit, and people sitting in traffic are suffering needlessly, that's besides the point. Thousands of people work there and more jobs are being added almost daily. These jobs, like most, have set hours by and large. People show up between 6 & 9, and leave between 3 & 6. This is rush hour generally. Hence the gridlock.

M-F are not typically the big casino days, which is why you find lower table minimums during the week than the weekend, to entice people to come. Weekends on the other hand, are much bigger casino days. During the summer vacation weekends, the highways will suck as always, but this doesn't have the same impact on surface roads as commuter traffic does, as Boston and it's surrounds are the destination. It's just a pass through on summer weekends.

Obviously this is a more urban casino than the CT ones, so it's not apples to apples. But, if the demographics that love to gamble are consistent..... senior citizens and asians seem to love gambling, but also have no problem taking buses in general.... young professionals will got for a good time. Many in groups. Many have no problem with cabs. Still some will use mass transit as available..... College kids looking for a good time or to pretend they are big ballers will go, and have no problem taking the T, I'd guess most would. The suburbanites (non- seniors and asian) are the traffic creators. We'll see how they shake out, but the South Shore/ South Coast folks will have other options such as CT and RI, plus the new Plainville casino. The ones closer to Boston have plenty of T access via. Quincy, Braintree, Milton, and to a lesser extent, the CR (because it's not as convenient for this type of day trip.) So some will be smart and take the T, but a lot will drive.

Metro west will have a good amount of drivers. I-90 and south have similar options to the South Shore/Coast folks, and the closer you get to Worcester, they may be tempted to go to Springfield or Mohegan to avoid the traffic. The North shore and NH folks are the ones really being targeted by this location that will add traffic. Luckily the Orange line offers better access to hopefully catch more north people. The south people might be less apt to use the T because it involves exchanges.

The spacing of the casinos is done to spread the impacts this way. The State benefits by you gambling. They get the same amount per dollar at each casino. They don't care that one is making more money than the other. It's up to the operators to convince you to come to each one over the others.
 
The one thing I agree with Rifle is that the location of the casino is definitely not in an area that is pedestrian friendly. They should add shuttles to the casino from Assembly, Wellington, and Sullivan but good luck to anyone who thinks they can just walk or bike over there from a T stop.
 
That is the true failure of the plan at this point. You're right.
Casino shuttles will almost be a guarantee I would think.
 
It's like the Seaport Development Planning---Lets build all these huge developments without proper infrastructure or foundation for public transit in place. .
No. The Seaport is near-entirely an office district, meaning that all its ~10,000 workers arrive in the morning rush and leave in the evening one. If it had something like 6000 employees "before" and added 4,000 so far and is going to add another 6000, that's the wrong kind of 14,000 per day--the kind that all really do want to use the same roads at the same time. The Seaports *are* the kind of 14,000 who impose huge congestion costs and trigger the need to spend a whole lot of capital dollars on infrastructure expansion.

Except that they are new and you fear the new, the Casino and the Seaport are nothing alike.
 
Correct. Gridlock on 93 has nothing to do with 100 yards away. The highway is for getting in and out of the city. The point has always been that not only does a casino not have rush hour but a spread out usage, but who the hell is heading there directly from work?

I disagree Seamus. If the Sullivan Sq ramp backs up onto I-93 that will have a huge impact. And sadly, I think a lot of people will go straight to the casino from work. Especially on days when they've received their paycheck.
 
Friday night is probably an issue in the after work hours. Although, like most night life, this is usually a bit later. 8-10pm for the fun seekers.

Those who want to blow their checks immediately, will add some traffic. But, if they're going from work, aren't they most likely on that highway already, and jumping off at the Casino? If you live West or South, you're still likely to head towards home. For the most part anyways.
 
That is the true failure of the plan at this point. You're right.
Casino shuttles will almost be a guarantee I would think.

Of I were in charge of connecting it to the 'T, I'd place a high frequency ferry between the casino and Assembly Square. Buses from Wellington or Sullivan don't have great access and will likely sit in some traffic -- boring and frustrating to somebody anxious to hit the tables. But a boat from Assembly Square is quick and straight forward, and the TOD district and casino could build a symbiotic relationship over time.
 
Friday night is probably an issue in the after work hours. Although, like most night life, this is usually a bit later. 8-10pm for the fun seekers.
I also find that the Friday rush starts :30 to 1:00 earlier in most places. People might work late the other days of the week, but not Friday. But whatever it is, the Casino is just a small part of the metro traffic puzzle...not a reason to built it or not build it (esp. since they are offering nearby towns millions in "offset")
 
Of I were in charge of connecting it to the 'T, I'd place a high frequency ferry between the casino and Assembly Square. Buses from Wellington or Sullivan don't have great access and will likely sit in some traffic -- boring and frustrating to somebody anxious to hit the tables. But a boat from Assembly Square is quick and straight forward, and the TOD district and casino could build a symbiotic relationship over time.

Ferry with booze from the Seaport with a stop at Long Wharf. Hell, thrown in a stop at the Airport too.
 
It would add to a fancy night out for sure. May thru September anyways.
It's the rest of the year. I know you can be indoors on a boat, but then it's just on a motion sickness inducing slow bus.
 
then it's just on a motion sickness inducing slow bus.
Not once they winterize Codzilla. Then it'll be a motion sickness inducing fast bus.

While we're at it lets just make it an old-school Mississippi River paddle boat with gambling inside too.

I have zero interest in a casino, but I'd be for this 100%
 
But whatever it is, the Casino is just a small part of the metro traffic puzzle...not a reason to built it or not build it

Traffic impacts shouldn't be a factor in whether or not large venues get built?!?! If someone wanted to put a mall or stadium or arena or casino down the street from your house, I bet you'd think the traffic impact is relevant.
 

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