MA Casino Developments

Question 3 defeated. Everett and Springfield wake up tomorrow world-unchanged, still hoping the Gaming Commission doesn't somehow find a way to fuck this thing up.
 
Should be shovels in the effing ground this morning. This has dragged on for waaaay too long already. We're big boys and girls who know what we want and have proven it multiple times now. Build build build then gamble gamble gamble or don't...as you see fit.
 
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Question 3 defeated. Everett and Springfield wake up tomorrow world-unchanged, still hoping the Gaming Commission doesn't somehow find a way to fuck this thing up.

Driving through the area around 10:30 going to Assembly Row- Traffic completely insane near Sullivan Square. If traffic is bad now at this time what do you think a billion dollar casino will do to this area.

The only reason I disagree with you on the Casino Location is that it doesn't support foot traffic density like it would in the city (a more centralized location) Walking distance from all types Bus, Train, and other outputs of .

This area will be butts to nuts with Traffic. (It won't matter how much money they put into it.

It would help just to completely relocate Sullivan Square to the Casino location:
 
If traffic is bad now at this time what do you think a billion dollar casino will do to this area.

For the last time, the answer is: Make it better. Sullivan is a nightmare now because it is badly designed, nothing more.

I'm willing to bet the circled area below was the cause for your traffic jam. A lot of study has gone into fixing that intersection. I'm also willing to bet your evening commute is a lot easier than your morning commute: City-bound commuters don't enter this circle of crap on the way home unless they need to get to Washington Street. Boston has plans to improve this intersection, and Wynn will be paying for that to happen soon.

So don't worry. Unless suburban casino goers choose to visit Wynn in droves during the morning weekday commute, you should see things improve in the next five years.

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I'm afraid that any chance Sullivan Square had at being revitalized will be completely shut down now.

"The casino" will be used as justification by traffic engineers to defeat any and all attempts to make it more accessible by foot or bicycle. Even if that's a completely nonsensical justification.
 
I'm afraid that any chance Sullivan Square had at being revitalized will be completely shut down now.
I heard they're going to turn it into a mega highway crossed with City Hall Plaza and the West End that includes an Olympic Stadium that's entirely publicly funded WITH NO PEDESTRIAN ACCESS. Also, the entire project will be covered in alucobond, until further value engineering changes it to be made entirely out of the tears of transit advocates.
 
Remove the option to go from Everett to Cambridge via 99 south & Washington St by forcing traffic into Wellington circle & 28 or Land Blvd. Sullivan Square traffic solved!

Seriously though - is the Sullivan square traffic situation getting a little overblown? I take it into the city most nights and its not even a mild clusterfuck unless there is severe weather. Usually get through the highlighted intersection in 1-2 lightcycles. Paving & line markings coupled with the reopened underpass have helped the situation recently and it seems to be making a difference.
 
I heard they're going to turn it into a mega highway crossed with City Hall Plaza and the West End that includes an Olympic Stadium that's entirely publicly funded WITH NO PEDESTRIAN ACCESS. Also, the entire project will be covered in alucobond, until further value engineering changes it to be made entirely out of the tears of transit advocates.

You've given me an idea for an Olympic event: the Sullivan Square hurdle.

Competitors will run from Charlestown to Sullivan Square Station while dodging texting drivers and irate truckers.

In contrast to the usual 1st-2nd-3rd place system, anyone who makes it to the finish line alive gets a gold medal.
 
For the last time, the answer is: Make it better. Sullivan is a nightmare now because it is badly designed, nothing more.

The redesign of Rutherford Ave and Sullivan Square was made over several years with input from local residents. The new design reduces capacity. Forcing Wynn to pay to reduce capacity for his casino (which will increase volume) is not going to make everything better.
 
Even if you create the overpass connection from 93---then you have 93 at its Mercy in that location.

Moving Sullivan Square out to a direct access to the Casino would help with the Train scenario.

Please enlighten on the solution to this? I know this area very well and I don't see an easy solution for the Traffic congestion. It will only get worse and won't matter how much money is pumped into this.
 
Even if you create the overpass connection from 93---then you have 93 at its Mercy in that location.

Moving Sullivan Square out to a direct access to the Casino would help with the Train scenario.

Please enlighten on the solution to this? I know this area very well and I don't see an easy solution for the Traffic congestion. It will only get worse and won't matter how much money is pumped into this.

Build the missing legs of the 93/Route 16 interchange in Medford: http://goo.gl/maps/xg7Cg. Get the expressway traffic off the neighborhood roads and onto the maximally-built (and most under-capacity) section of parkway.

Here's the possible directions where these roads intersect (bold are the ones to/from the casino):

1. 93S-->16W (to Cambridge, n/a on casino) -- no direct access. Must get off at 16E, U-turn on Mystic Ave., get on 93N, get on 16W ramp. Or get off at 60W, get on 16W in Medford Sq. Out-of-towners not familiar with the shortcuts do the former, locals do the latter.
2. 93S-->16E (to casino from north)-- direct access.
3. 93N-->16W (to Cambridge, n/a on casino) -- direct access.
4. 93N-->16E (to casino from Boston/south) -- no direct access. Must get off at Sullivan or Fellsway @ Assembly.
5. 16E-->93N (from Cambridge, n/a on casino) -- direct access.
6. 16E-->93S (from Cambridge, n/a on casino) -- direct access.
7. 16W-->93N (from casino to north) -- no direct access. Must U-turn from 16 onto Mystic Ave., get on 93N. Or go to Sullivan and pick up 93N on Mystic in front of Home Depot.
8. 16W-->93S (from casino to south) -- no direct access. Must U-turn from 16 onto Mystic Ave., get on 93S by Fellsway. Easiest to just take Fellsway or slam Sullivan and Rutherford Ave.

See the huge fricking problem here? Boston-originating car traffic can't take the highest-capacity numbered route to the casino, and traffic heading from the casino to 93 can't take the highest-capacity route home. They have to slam Sullivan, and slam to lesser degree Fellsway by making a goddamn mess of Wellington Circle. Meanwhile, that portion of 16 between Wellington Circle and 93 is nearly empty.


Second problem: the 16/99 interchange. It's mostly OK, but. . .

1. 16W-->99N (n/a on casino) -- direct ramp.
2. 16W-->99S (to casino from Revere) -- direct ramp.
3. 16E-->99N (n/a on casino) -- no direct ramp. Have to use half-assed half-ramp/half-street off the Gateway Ctr. rotary and sit through traffic light.
4. 16E-->99S (to casino from 93) -- no direct ramp. Have to use half-assed half-ramp/half-street off the Gateway Ctr. rotary and sit through traffic light.
5. 99N-->16E (from casino to Revere) -- direct ramp.
6. 99N-->16W (from casino to 93) -- no direct ramp. Have to use half-assed half-ramp/half-street off the Gateway Ctr. rotary and sit through traffic light.
7. 99S-->16W (n/a on casino) -- no direct ramp. Have to use half-assed half-ramp/half-street off the Gateway Ctr. rotary and sit through traffic light.
8. 99S-->16E (n/a on casino) -- direct ramp.

Oh, look! The directions you actually can reach the casino straight from 93 on the highest-capacity route go through the most mangled part of this interchange and get stuck at the traffic light. Better go slam Sullivan!


There is no reason why this has to be.
-- Graft a proper 93N ramp onto that overbuilt 16 flyover so the most underutilized part of the parkway is where everybody going north goes home.
-- Graft a simple-ass offramp and traffic light from 93N to 16E. Sign this as the preferred route to the casino. Yes...people who know their way around town are still going to take the Sullivan/Alford St. shortcut. But the out-of-towners...they're gonna stick to the state highways and the signage.
-- Graft a simple-ass 93S onramp at the existing 16/93 traffic light.
-- Make 93/16 the mandatory route for all the private tourbuses. You know...same as the Foxwoods and Mohegan Sun ones that are the scourge of I-95. Ban those fuckers in Sullivan and make them take 16 or pay the fine.

-- Graft a direct 16E-to-99 ramp and eliminate that distended...whatever that is...path off the Gateway rotary.
-- Graft a direct 16W ramp off the 99 rotary so casino-exiting traffic doesn't have to sit through a traffic light. Relocate the 16W-->99 loop ramp (tricky). May take some re-shaping of this area or re-centering of the rotary to get all four 16 legs in balance.



What does all this do?

1. Cleans most of the highway traffic departing the casino off Sullivan.
2. Cleans the less shortcut-adept out-of-towners from the south to the casino off Sullivan in favor of the signed state routes. Not much relief in a vacuum except that it gives a little bit extra kick to the big reliever in #1.
3. Bans those tourbus fuckers from any residential area.
4. Saves the residential part of Mystic Ave. from excessive traffic. I would even delete the 93 ramps off that street to ram home the point.
5. Cleans up Wellington Circle and accentuates the road diet on Fellsway (which in turn discourages more people from using Fellsway + Sullivan for the casino). If more of the 16 traffic is passing straight through instead of having to do the Fellsway detour, the rotary performs lots better than having excessive turning traffic going 28<-->16.
6. Cleans up the Gateway rotary by de-commissioning the traffic lights and that distended frontage road to 99. Thereby making the WHOLE Wellington to 99 stretch of 16 suck a lot less and be able to handle the volumes.


Now...the 3 rotaries (especially Wellington) are still not going to be pleasant despite the considerable flow improvements. 16 is still an old parkway. And people will still be shortcutting through Sullivan. But the state-highway preferred route squares the mismatch in traffic volumes that puts way too much load to/from 93 onto Sullivan and Fellsway and not nearly enough on that empty section of 16 west of Wellington. The imbalance here is symptomatic of fucked flow. It's not natural. Fix it and it'll be more natural, and better distributed to the roads that can handle it.



Is that the killshot fix? No. Is that 40% of the way there. Yeah, probably. Is a 40% improvement enough to swallow the casino increases and still net a modest improvement over today...definitely. Take the gains here and then work on other mitigating strategies to other roads. Pretty much every one of the 1950's-ruined thoroughfares through here can be de-crapified to above-and-beyond benefit.
 
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F-Line for Dudley-- Great post on offering better solutions:

**Could the Orange Line and the Commuter Rail expand to this location for a casino Stop: This would be significant:

My initial thoughts are that the entire Area is just not built to satisfy the amount of traffic that will flow through this area.

No matter what the casino is going through now. I also believe this Casino will make the most money in the entire country:
This casino is going to be huge. (right next to a very Wealthy City)
Nightclub Atmosphere
Corporate Events
Shows
What will be interesting is how the surrounding areas will transform: Most areas that build casino end up in the dumps. Everett and Chelsea could end up being Gangland. Boston might be different I don't know:

I could see Big Papi Playing Blackjack over there.
If Wynn Gets this built it will be a Grand Slam---for Location
I think Foxwoods & MGM could go Under.
Mohegan might survive.
 
Watching you post is like listening to free form jazz.
It grabs your attention, but you never really know what's going on, or what's going to come next.
 
F-Line for Dudley-- Great post on offering better solutions:

**Could the Orange Line and the Commuter Rail expand to this location for a casino Stop: This would be significant:

My initial thoughts are that the entire Area is just not built to satisfy the amount of traffic that will flow through this area.

No matter what the casino is going through now. I also believe this Casino will make the most money in the entire country:
This casino is going to be huge. (right next to a very Wealthy City)
Nightclub Atmosphere
Corporate Events
Shows
What will be interesting is how the surrounding areas will transform: Most areas that build casino end up in the dumps. Everett and Chelsea could end up being Gangland. Boston might be different I don't know:

I could see Big Papi Playing Blackjack over there.
If Wynn Gets this built it will be a Grand Slam---for Location
I think Foxwoods & MGM could go Under.
Mohegan might survive.


No on commuter rail. Casino's on the steep downgrade by the Mystic bridge, and it's low-platform territory because of the wide freights heading to Everett Terminal. Safety risk...would never get approved no matter how desireable.

Orange doesn't need to get expanded. There's 3 bloody stops spanning the Mystic between 16 and 93 and all the road bridges across the river are getting widened sidewalks. It's a piece of cake to walk to the casino. And if that weren't enough that whole Sullivan-Wellington area is one of the thickest nets of bus routes in the land. There 3 routes on Alford St. alone stopping right at the casino's front door. Public transit is better-than-fine here. If the casino itself wants to run comfy shuttle buses in a constant ping to Wellington and North Station via Sullivan that's even better, but there doesn't have to be a T stop at the front door when the transit density and interconnections here are pre-existing awesome. This is why Everett's a better location than Suffolk Downs. SD has the Blue stop, but it doesn't have the buses zinging around on every point of the compass like Sullivan and Wellington and Malden Ctr.o. Aggregately, Everett's the way better site for transit accessibility. It's silly bias against the Yellow Line that gets people thinking a commuter rail stop or Orange spur at the front door actually matters here. Build the real Urban Ring if scale is really that much of a concern.

There is no transit congestion. It's all about fixing up the retarded road access for the visitors who wouldn't be using transit in any way, shape, or form whether it was gift-wrapped to them or not.
 
Well said...the road configuration needs help...it's amazing how much the re-surfacing and striping has helped though.

It's crazy to me how up in arms Charlestown residents were about Wynn and there's a shooting there last night...get your priorities straight.

It'll be interesting to see how the casino impacts the surrounding neighborhoods. What's the timeline?
 
Will the casino be able to offer free alcoholic beverages, or serve alcohol past 2AM? I'm certain I've seen someone ask the same question in the past, but I cannot recall seeing an answer (apologies if it has been asked and answered an absurd amount of times).

Thank you in advance, and now that Wynn has submitted its $85,000,000 fee let's see that new render!

IIRC they get an exemption from the 2am thing, but only on the floor. So you can't just go there to drink. I could be way off base thought.

As for transit access, they either need to cantilever a pedestrian/bike walkway off the side of the CR bridge, or across the dam. Regardless of the casino this should have already happened with Assembly getting built out.
 
It's crazy to me how up in arms Charlestown residents were about Wynn and there's a shooting there last night...get your priorities straight.

There's also several people in Charlestown with cancer. Got to get our priorities straight!!!

Will the casino be able to offer free alcoholic beverages, or serve alcohol past 2AM? I'm certain I've seen someone ask the same question in the past, but I cannot recall seeing an answer (apologies if it has been asked and answered an absurd amount of times).

Not sure. At Foxwoods and Mohegan they did not extend the drinking time. Obviously that has no impact on Boston. But it's kind of weird to get cut off in the casinos in CT.
 
Foxwoods and Mohegan follow reservation drinking laws. But they err on the side of caution owing to all the traffic they put on state roads. CT state troopers already have to play a daily whack-a-mole game with DUI checkpoints on the routes home. The casinos have been pretty good at keeping a lid on it with internal vigilance, but neither of them have any intention of pushing their luck.
 
There's also several people in Charlestown with cancer. Got to get our priorities straight!!!

what I meant was that I think there's more important issues they should focus on within the town itself...like closing that awful convenience store.
 

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