MA Casino Developments

BussesAin'tTrains said:
People aren't going to be rushing to Casino during the morning commute. I don't know how many times that's been explained to you.
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I disagree-

The morning commute is brutal already. The casino is now part of the complex traffic equation for the area. The casino is not foot traffic friendly or not centrally located.

The Casino scenario could go down like a storrow drive grid lock scenario
 
Remember, they're putting $65 million into roadway improvements. That's not everything, but it's not nothing. I don't believe anybody's numbers, and "induced demand" yaddayadda, but just to balance the traffic debate once again, I quote from an old story...

Tocco added that, “The great thing about a casino/resort is that during the conventional rush hours, from 7 to 9 a.m., very few people go to the casino. What that means is that the people traveling at those times will enjoy all these extra mitigation improvements during normal commuter periods – so their commutes will take less time.”

http://www.everettindependent.com/2...on-in-major-traffic-improvements-are-planned/
 
Normally I'm a fan of Curtatone, but I wish he'd just let this one go. Casinos have won. They've won in the Legislature. They've won in a state-wide referendum. They've won in the cities where they'll be located. Instead of trying to slow down this already slow process, he could make sure that Somerville's needs are met and maybe Wynn will throw them a bone.
 
bolehboleh said:
Normally I'm a fan of Curtatone, but I wish he'd just let this one go. Casinos have won. They've won in the Legislature. They've won in a state-wide referendum. They've won in the cities where they'll be located. Instead of trying to slow down this already slow process, he could make sure that Somerville's needs are met and maybe Wynn will throw them a bone.
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Perhaps he figures this is the best way to get the highest payback.
 
TheRifleman said:
The morning commute is brutal already. The casino is now part of the complex traffic equation for the area.
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So, are you privy to when the shft changes will be?

Even complex equations have terms that go to zero, an the Casinos traffic impact is likely one of them.

I guarantee that Partners Health at Assembly will generate more peak trips in Somerville and the Mayor ain't suing them. His job description may include demagoguing and inciting the irrational traffic fears of Somerville, but I am not going to applaud him for it.
 
bolehboleh said:
Normally I'm a fan of Curtatone, but I wish he'd just let this one go. Casinos have won. They've won in the Legislature. They've won in a state-wide referendum. They've won in the cities where they'll be located. Instead of trying to slow down this already slow process, he could make sure that Somerville's needs are met and maybe Wynn will throw them a bone.
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I believe that's what Curtatone is working on.
 
Arlington said:
I guarantee that Partners Health at Assembly will generate more peak trips in Somerville and the Mayor ain't suing them. His job description may include demagoguing and inciting the irrational traffic fears of Somerville, but I am not going to applaud him for it.
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I don't applaud him for this either. But to be fair, his argument is not the same as Rifleman's, so calling him a hypocrite is a bit of a strawman. As far as I know, Curtatone hasn't specifically called out traffic as a reason for the suit.

Honestly, this is probably sour grapes because Wynn won the mitigation arbitration, and Somerville is getting much less $ per year than it wanted.
 
kjdonovan said:
Remember, they're putting $65 million into roadway improvements. That's not everything, but it's not nothing. I don't believe anybody's numbers, and "induced demand" yaddayadda, but just to balance the traffic debate once again, I quote from an old story...

Tocco added that, “The great thing about a casino/resort is that during the conventional rush hours, from 7 to 9 a.m., very few people go to the casino. What that means is that the people traveling at those times will enjoy all these extra mitigation improvements during normal commuter periods – so their commutes will take less time.”

http://www.everettindependent.com/2...on-in-major-traffic-improvements-are-planned/
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IN the end this casino could ruin Boston nightlife. Along with Traffic congestion in these areas that don't have on the Fridays, Saturdays and Sundays.

Why would you go into Boston? when the casino is right in Everett that will have all the action, Gambling, Clubs, Restaurants.

I can give a good example--Before Wellington , Assembly Square was built up there was hardly traffic in these areas only in the morning commutes---It seems these areas are nightmare:
7-9 Morning Commute
3-7-PM

Between Santilli & Sweetser Circles these areas are already gridlock on Saturday Afternoons: What is 65 Million dollars going to do in Upgrades?
 
It's a political win/win for Curtatone: if he succeeds, he blocks the casino and gets another check next to his anti-casino bona fides; if he partially succeeds and gets concessions from Wynn, he gets a check next to "going up against the big guy for his constituents"; and if he fails, he still gets to add a check next to being anti-casino.
 
TheRifleman said:
IN the end this casino could ruin Boston nightlife. Along with Traffic congestion in these areas that don't have on the Fridays, Saturdays and Sundays.

Why would you go into Boston? when the casino is right in Everett that will have all the action, Gambling, Clubs, Restaurants.
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This is patently ridiculous, but if it were true then I say good. If the casino is a trash magnet then maybe Faneuil and Landsdowne can be made respectable again.
 
fattony said:
This is patently ridiculous, but if it were true then I say good. If the casino is a trash magnet then maybe Faneuil and Landsdowne can be made respectable again.
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If Wynn does the development with a Mohegan and Foxwoods nightlife Vibe---He will make a fortune. Because all the action will be at his casino not in the city of Boston's Nightlife.

Yes---Landsdowne ==RIP
Faneuil Hall will be more respectable

The casino won't attract trash---It will attract everybody--Because that is where the action is. Gambling, Partying, Clubing, Multi-clubs, Bachelor or bachelorette parties. Everett just took Boston Night-life away.

Wynn knows this and-- that is why he is building a 1.6 Billion dollar resort destination. Perfect location practically 5 mins out from Boston-- The casino industry is in the toilet but overall Wynn will build this at all costs. This is a WYNN WYNN situation based location:
 
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BussesAin'tTrains said:
Yeah... okay...
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Why would you go into Boston for nightlife when the Casino will have everything? Celebrities, Hot Women, Multi-Clubs, Shows, All types- restaurants--When you gamble at least you might be able to eat for free.

If your going out for Friday night your heading to the Casino. That is where everybody will be. I'm betting 30% across the board shutdown on High-end Clubs and Restaurants in Boston after the first 6 months of the opening of the casino.

Hottest DJ's around the world will be at the casino, along with performers lining up to get into this casino to perform.

Honestly think about it: Look at the atmosphere at Mohegan and Foxwoods on the weekends: It's awesome.

If you had a choice going out with a group of friends: Will be a Fanuel Hall or Wynn Casino (If it has Mohegan Vibe or Foxwoods nightlife Vibe)?
 
TheRifleman said:
Why would you go into Boston for nightlife when the Casino will have everything? Celebrities, Hot Women, Multi-Clubs, Shows, All types- restaurants--When you gamble at least you might be able to eat for free.

If your going out for Friday night your heading to the Casino. That is where everybody will be. I'm betting 30% across the board shutdown on High-end Clubs and Restaurants in Boston after the first 6 months of the opening of the casino.
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You are vastly over estimating the pull that a casino will have. Yes, of course, people will go there instead of other spots in Boston. But not every night. And not every person.

I'd guess Landsdowne + Faneuil Hall alone see over 10,000 people on a busy weekend night. There's no way a casino is going to pull even half of those people away.
 
FenwayResident said:
You are vastly over estimating the pull that a casino will have. Yes, of course, people will go there instead of other spots in Boston. But not every night. And not every person.

I'd guess Landsdowne + Faneuil Hall alone see over 10,000 people on a busy weekend night. There's no way a casino is going to pull even half of those people away.
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It all depends how he develops the Resort Casino---Im a betting man and I say he develops it towards a nightlife atmosphere--1.6 Billion is a serious commitment and I don't believe he holds back on that number.

Sky is the limit for Boston nightlife-- Which sort of sucks compared to other cities. I actually have more fun at Mohegan and Foxwoods on the weekends than the city of Boston.

This is a good investment long-term whoever gets the opportunity to partner up with Wynn.
 
Arlington said:
...which of course is going to crush the morning commute, just as you've also predicted.
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The morning commute is already a nightmare especially on 99 and Sullivan Square

So I guess it will be better now that we have a 1.6 Billion dollar casino development in that area. Also the location is not centralized (Foot Traffic friendly) you need to have access to transit to get there.
 
Why would you go into Boston for nightlife when the Casino will have everything? Celebrities, Hot Women, Multi-Clubs, Shows, All types- restaurants
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^ True LOL. I'm so glad I can picture Stefon when I read Riff's posts now!!!
 
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