Mandarin Oriental | 776 Boylston St | Back Bay

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I hope to be active in the remaining discussions on the new projects on the Plaza. I've had about enough of those people. THOSE PEOPLE (as in, THAT ONE).

Had drinks at the Mandarin bar last evening. It was crowded which probably explains why it took so long to get a drink. That plus the bartender had to remake the drink when he forgot an ingredient, and then again when he splashed it all over his shirt.

$15 for a martini is probably the standard a lot of places, but I was disappointed that the apples in mine basically filled up half the glass.

Crowd was nicely dressed.

Conversations seemed focused on, "What if the poor people revolt against us?"
 
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Conversations seemed focused on, "What if the poor people revolt against us?"

The conversation should have been, "What if educated, middle-income people revolt against us."
 
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^ Either way, it's the Morlocks.
 
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This view may be gone in 2-5 years
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Inside
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Other side
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I walked into the Mandarin the other day, got a quick view of the interior and was disappointed. The restaurant and bar look nice enough, but I was hoping for a more high-ceilinged and spacious lobby. It was too constricting and tunnel-y. I didn't see the ballrooms/function rooms on the 2nd floor, this is just my reaction to a lobby-level walk through. The lobby art is odd and not so great - I'm all for showcasing modern art, but the stuff on the walls is not very good.
 
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Filling a gap on Boylston
By Robert Campbell
Globe Correspondent / October 19, 2008

The Mandarin Oriental fills a gap on Boylston Street in the Back Bay with a mix of uses but it's not easy on the eyes.
The original Prudential Center, along Boylston Street in the Back Bay, was so awful that for some years this column named a prize after it. The prize was called the Pru Award and was given to the worst new piece of architecture in Greater Boston.

What made the Pru so bad? There are a lot of ways to put it. But one of them is simply that the Pru had no streets. It was a huge superblock of mostly empty, miserable, windswept plazas, among which a few buildings poked up like cactus plants in the desert. The life of a good city is the life of its streets, and the Pru didn't have any.

It's in memory of that example of urban design at its worst that I'm inclined to feel kindly toward the new Mandarin Oriental. The Mandarin is a vast new brick-and-limestone complex of retail shops and restaurants, hotel rooms, luxury condos, and rental apartments that now stretches along much of the old Pru site between Exeter and Gloucester streets. As a chunk of urbanism, the Mandarin is a winner. The architecture is less successful, but we'll get to that later.

First the urbanism. The creators of the Mandarin - the large Boston firm of architects that calls itself CBT, working for a development entity that calls itself CWB - clearly understand why streets matter. To generate any life, a good street needs two sides, the way a fire needs to be kindled between two logs. One log doesn't do it, and, usually, neither does a single-sided street. The Mandarin gives Boylston the second side that it's always needed.

It's important to remember that everything suffered from the vacuous Pru complex. When it stood on Boylston's south side, the north side languished too. Cheapo clothing shops and at least one bar showing porn films provided what there was of life. Gradually, over time, the south side began to fill up, with a new shopping arcade and other uses, and the north side responded with steady improvement. But even quite recently, to walk past the Pru was to navigate a series of loading docks, garage ramps, empty spaces, steps to nowhere, and blank concrete walls.

So I'm glad that this rude gap in the city has at last been filled in. And I'm certainly a fan of the way the Mandarin mixes different uses. Condo owners and hotel guests enter by the same door, meeting and mixing with a sense of urbanity. A nearly unbroken row of retail shops and restaurants lines the front sidewalk, as it should. Besides the 50 condos and 148 hotel rooms, there are 35 rental apartments, including 10 at subsidized affordable rates. (Not a generous number, granted.) At least 80 percent of the condos were sold before the Mandarin was even finished, and owners were encouraged to suggest their own design ideas. As a result, no two condos are alike.

And unlike the buildings of the old Pru, the Mandarin connects to everything around it. An arcade along the rear links up with Lord & Taylor and with the Pru shopping mall. Condo elevators drop directly into the subterranean garage. Food from the Mandarin's several restaurants can be ordered to arrive at your condo via the service elevator. A garden at the Mandarin's rear, sitting atop the parking garage, is a space shared with the original Pru apartments. Sure it's mostly for the filthy rich, but cities need those guys too.

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If the designers got so many things right, why couldn't the architecture be better? The Mandarin reads as a huge pale cliff that crowds the sidewalk and looms skyward with a seemingly endless monotony. The materials are not cheap - they're Indiana limestone and pale yellow brick, with accents in a honey-colored stone -but they all share the same bleached-out tonality. The principal architect, CBT partner Alfred Woyciechowski, points out that this architectural cliff isn't, in fact, as flat as it looks at first. The fa?ade pops forward and back, in an attempt at giving the building some of the life it would have if it were, in fact, a row of different buildings instead of just one. But those ins and outs never amount to more than a foot or two, and unless the light is at exactly the right angle, you don't notice them.

Woyciechowski has done what he can, too, to make the fa?ade express the functions behind it. Condo windows look different from hotel windows (they're bigger). Balconies at the penthouse levels terrace back like natural canyon formations. The hotel's second-floor ballroom gets a look of its own, faced in black glass. Brick and limestone trade places. None of this is enough. The Mandarin is just too much of one big single thing for a street and neighborhood that pride themselves on variety and intimacy of scale. It's a stranded white whale on the beach of the Back Bay.

Years ago - in 1942, to be exact - another blockbuster appeared on Boylston. This was the New England Life Insurance Building at the corner of Clarendon, designed by a firm led by a then-famous architect, Ralph Adams Cram. The poet David McCord didn't like the building - he thought it looked like a tomb - and wrote a poem about it in the comic verse form known as a clerihew:

Ralph Adams Cram

One morning said damn,

And designed the Urn Burial

For a concern actuarial.

The old New England is still there, alas, now partly converted to shops. So is the truly gross 500 Boylston Street of 1988 by the late Philip Johnson. When you compare the Mandarin to these, you have to conclude we've learned at least a few things about building cities. The Mandarin compares well, too, with the recent glass-palace InterContinental hotel on Atlantic Avenue. As urbanism the Mandarin is better than any of these, and as architecture it's certainly trying hard.

But you turn with relief from the Mandarin to look across at the sunny side of Boylston, with its mix of buildings new and old, tall and short, in many styles and materials, with many kinds of uses and activities. The architecture becomes a metaphor for the diversity of today's Boston. You can't match that kind of variety in a single gargantuan development.

Things will get better. When all the Mandarin's stores are rented they'll display, I'm told, a largely unregulated variety of signage (just as does the north side of the street). The hope is that the signs will be emblems of individual initiatives springing up against the corporate reality of the building as a whole. And when the sidewalk trees recover and grow - today, they appear to be sick - they will help too.

Maybe someone can persuade the hotel to remove the huge potted plants with which it has chosen to engulf the main Fairfield Street entrance. They look like scary blobs from a sci-fi movie.

Globe architecture critic Robert Campbell can be reached at camglobe@aol.com.

http://www.boston.com/ae/theater_arts/articles/2008/10/18/filling_a_gap_on_boylston/?page=2
 
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I love how the "Globe architecture critic" has an AOL address.
 
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All the criticism of this building could be applied to Druker's upcoming proposal. Why not contact Robert Campbell and see if he can write a piece on the Arlington Building?
 
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Jimbo: probably because he's only a freelancer for the globe, not an employee
 
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This isn't meant as an insult: isn't the MO a contemporary version of the Park Square Building? The virtues and vices seem similar (even if the uses aren't.)
 
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I'll take good urbanism over good architecture any day.
 
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^ I know what you mean and I agree with the sentiment.

Extending the idea a little further brings it full circle: if you think about it, if a building's in the city and it's not good urbanism, it can't possibly be good architecture. In a city, a building's urbanistic success is the lion's share of its quality.

In Sunbelt cities this is only dimly realized; they're full of overstyled blockbusters of antiurbanity. The clueless folks who build them award distinguished architecture prizes to themselves and their architects --when actually the prizes should be for photogeneity as isolated objects.

In a city, only monuments are isolated: city halls, triumphal arches and some churches.
 
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^ Well said.

That MO's design is "restrained" is the one thing I admire about it. It could just as easily have been another 500 Boyleston.

Some of the best urban spaces in the world are formed by modest, sometimes boring, architecture. In fact, modesty may be a plus.
 
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That's the problem with architecture for architects and publications which encourage it. Every egoist loved, and still does hence the worship of 2nd generation preachers like Sert, Vers un Architecture because it encouraged all buildings to be considered in the round by architects for architects. Beaux Arts schooling may have been trapped in a cycle of copying, however it did teach important lessons in urbanism and by following the arc of history, provided an understanding of many ideas which had evolved and were proven to work over the course of history. Modernism freed the creative minds to innovate outside of historic styles, but unfortunately many of the lessons and good practices, which had evolved from trial and error throughout history, were cast away. Throwing out the baby with the bathwater intellectually, so to speak.
 
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Indeed. Modernism has hurt more than helped. The evidence is overwhelming. Count the buildings that diminish our realm...

For instance...

Compare Rowe's Wharf and The Intercontinental. One uses a familiar vocabulary and succeeds, the other attempts to make a statement and becomes, if not an outright failure, hardly more than just another glass box -- forbidding, unwelcoming, generic. Is it better than what was there before? Yes. Could we have done better? Yes.

Modesty is a wonderful attribute. The designers of The Intercontinental could use some.
 
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Some of the best urban spaces in the world are formed by modest, sometimes boring, architecture. In fact, modesty may be a plus.

That's the problem with architecture for architects and publications which encourage it ...
We do our share of that right here, seduced by glittery glass walls like the Intercontinental's. The badness of its urbanism was evident from the start, but all that tinsel ...
 
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Do let's not confuse the Intercontinental with any philosophy lying behind modernism. That building is a corporate flash-in-the-pan devoted to a sort of nonthreateningly bland ideal of market-driven "progress". You see the same reflecty-glass things towering over shuttered steel mills across the old Eastern Bloc.
 
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if a building's in the city and it's not good urbanism, it can't possibly be good architecture.

Well then, what about the John Hancock Tower? Most of us love it, and it's an important symbol of the city, but it isn't good urbanism. It creates a windy environment at street level, and fails to compensate for that with any street-side amenities or retail spaces.
 
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Well then, what about the John Hancock Tower? Most of us love it, and it's an important symbol of the city, but it isn't good urbanism. It creates a windy environment at street level, and fails to compensate for that with any street-side amenities or retail spaces.

It's acts as a monument and a focal point. Same as City Hall.
 
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The Hancock is functional as an office tower and its monumental edifice is appropriate as a place-marker for Copley Square. That isn't to say that the street level experience is an utter failure, but that could have been easily rectified if it weren't for the recent protests by Cobb.

I find it funny that most modernists blamed Beaux Arts teachings for an inability to innovate due to the limitations of style and type, when American institutions were based on such lessons and yet those students went on to create the Chicago School and Art Deco methodologies. Both of which successfully addressed modern technology, typological concerns, and sociological conditions.

Modernism's utter disdain for history and an immediate sense of place, due to a fetish with climate and socially incongruent 'internationalism' are at the root of the problem. The contempt for the greater context from which cities are derived leads to architecture which is divorced from the street, immediate surroundings, history, and often society itself.
 

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