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The principle difference between Ugh Walmart and TarzJay

TarZJay, while opperating very successfully in suburbia, like Walmart has an urban heart and orgin -- spinning out from a downtown Minneapolis Department Store -- Dayton's

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" Target Corporation, doing business as Target, is an American retailing company headquartered in Minneapolis, Minnesota. It is the second-largest discount retailer in the United States, behind Walmart......The company was founded in 1902 as the Dayton Dry Goods Company .......While working for the Dayton company, John F. Geisse developed the concept of upscale discount retailing... In 1962, the Dayton Company, using one of Geisse's concepts, opened its first Target discount store in the Saint Paul suburb of Roseville, Minnesota...... In January 2000, Dayton Hudson Corporation changed its name to Target Corporation and its ticker symbol to TGT; by then, between 75 percent and 80 percent of the corporation's total sales and earnings came from Target Stores.....Today, Target Corporation has its headquarters on Nicollet Mall in Minneapolis......complex includes Target Plaza North and Target Plaza South. Ryan Companies developed the complex, and Ellerbe Becket served as the architect. Target had the approximately $260-million complex developed to provide one location of office space for 6,000 employees. The 14-story Target Plaza North has 600,000 square feet (56,000 m2) of office and retail space, while the 32-story Target Plaza South has 1,250,000 square feet (116,000 m2) of space.....On February 15, 2011, Target announced plans to open its newest store concept, called CityTarget. The first store will be opened in Chicago.[59][60] The store will allocate approximately 55,000 sq ft (5,100 m2) to its sales floor. CityTarget stores will carry fresh food, clothing, and apartment essentials. Items too bulky for urban apartments or for customers to carry will not be stocked in a CityTarget, even if such items are commonly available in traditional Target stores.
Urban stores

Target has used its urban store concept to open multiple story stores in city centers such as in Annapolis, The Bronx, Brooklyn, Queens, Los Angeles, Glendale, Chicago, Pasadena, California, San Diego, Seattle, Stamford, Washington, D.C., Atlanta, Miami, New Orleans, and Minneapolis within the corporation's headquarters complex. In July 2010, a Target store opened in New York's East Harlem.[61] The company also opened an urban store in Pittsburgh's East Liberty neighborhood in July 2011.[62]

Building stores in these environments carries an elevated cost which is offset by the high potential for business that these stores can bring in. The Target store located on Nicollet Mall in Minneapolis features a three-story glass entrance and a design that sets it apart from suburban Target stores. This urban store alone cost Target Corporation US$16.3 million.[63] This concept has also been used to convert Super Target stores from former Bullock's, Montgomery Ward, J. W. Robinson's, Robinsons-May and Younkers stores.[64][.....

Target Corporation competes directly against other discount retailers, mainly Walmart and Kmart. Since its founding, it has intended to differentiate its stores from its competitors by offering what it believes is more upscale, trend-forward merchandise at lower costs, rather than the traditional concept of focusing on low-priced goods. Douglas J. Dayton, one of the Dayton brothers, explained John Geisse's concept:
“ "We will offer high-quality merchandise at low margins, because we are cutting expenses. We would much rather do this than trumpet dramatic price cuts on cheap merchandise....Target stores tend to attract younger and more educated and affluent customers than Walmart, among other competitors. The median Target shopper is 41 years old, the youngest of all major discount retailers that Target competes directly against. The median household income of Target's customer base is roughly $63,000 US$. Roughly 76% of Target customers are female, and more than 45% have children at home. About 80% have attended college and 48% have completed college.[15][56] 97% of American consumers recognize the Target Bullseye logo.....

Target Corporation is consistently ranked as one of the most philanthropic companies in the US. It ranked No.22 in Fortune Magazine's "World's Most Admired Companies" for 2010, largely in part to the donation efforts of the company as a whole.[87] According to a November 2005 Forbes article, it ranked as the highest cash-giving company in America in percentage of income given (2.1%).[88] Target donates around 5 percent of its pre-tax operating profit; it gives over $3 million a week (up from $2 million in years prior) to the communities in which it operates. It also gives a percentage of charges from its Target Visa to schools designated by the cardholders. To date, Target has given over $150 million to schools across the United States through this program.

Further evidence of Target's philanthropy can be found in the Target House complex in Memphis, Tennessee, a long-term housing solution for families of patients at the city's St. Jude Children's Research Hospital. The corporation led the way with more than $27 million in donations, which made available 96 fully furnished apartments for families needing to stay at St. Jude over 90 days."

With appolgies for the length of the quote:
Sounds like a good corporate citizen for Boston and a good fit to DTX -- westy
 
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Target Might Fulfill Vornado’s Downtown Crossing Dreams
Sep 14, 2011 7:40 AM, By Elaine Misonzhnik, Penton Commercial Real Estate Senior Associate Editor

The contentious Downtown Crossing project in Boston might finally be gaining traction as discount retailer Target mulls opening a store near the site.

On Tuesday Boston Redevelopment Authority (BRA) Director Peter Meade confirmed the Minneapolis, Minn.-based discounter has been looking at several sites in the city, including in the former Filene’s Basement building near One Franklin Street.

The 1.2-million-square-foot mixed-use project has been lingering unattended since 2008, when developer Vornado Realty Trust stopped construction, citing financing troubles.

Target would be the perfect candidate to put some life back into the property, according to Howard Davidowitz, chairman of Davidwoitz & Associates Inc, a New York City-based retail consulting and investment banking firm. It’s popular with people from multiple income brackets and tends to draw crowds of shoppers.

“To move this project forward you need a destination that’s going to drive a huge amount of footsteps,” Davidowitz says. “No one can compare to Target in terms of being a destination and generating traffic.”

Earlier this year, Target Corp., which normally operates megastores averaging 135,000 square feet, launched a small format store called CityTarget as a means of breaking into urban markets. The retailer already announced one such store in a historic landmark building on South State Street in Chicago. That store will total approximately 54,000 square feet.

Boston appears to be its next mark, according to comments made by Meade during a breakfast meeting presented by the Greater Boston Chamber of Commerce.

The vacant Filene’s property in Boston contains approximately 250,000 square feet, including its basement, and is listed in the National Register of Historic Places. Given that the location is only two miles away from Target’s store at South Bay Shopping Center, however, the deal would have to be a bargain for the retailer, notes Robert Sheehan, vice president of research with KeyPoint Partners, a Burlington, Mass.-based commercial real estate services firm.

The Boston Herald cites a potential price tag of $30 million for the building.

A Target spokesperson confirmed that the retailer is exploring options for a new store in Boston, but would not reveal any details about the search. Vornado declined to comment.


Fight or flight

Since Vornado stopped work on One Franklin Street, it has become not only an eye sore for the city of Boston, but a source of tension between Vornado executives and Boston Mayor Thomas M. Menino.

After Vornado chairman Stephen Roth made some curious public remarks about his approach to urban redevelopment in 2010, Menino has voiced suspicions of Vornado’s reasons for delaying construction on the site, which was supposed to the centerpiece of his efforts to revitalize the entire Downtown Crossing area. While Vornado has said it wants to sell One Franklin Street to another developer, some in the industry suspect it might just be holding out on finishing the project until it can reap maximum returns.

The fight reached a new heights this July, when Menino called Vornado execs “a scurrilous group that should not be in the real estate business” after giving a speech at an ICSC conference. “They want $165 million for that location when the market says it’s not worth it,” he added, according to numerous reports.

Vornado paid $100 million for the 656,000-square-foot property back in 2006.

Earlier this year, investors paid a median price of approximately $105 per square foot for multi-tenant retail centers in Boston, according to Marcus & Millichap Real Estate Investment Services, an Encino, Calif.-based real estate services firm. The figure represents a 25 percent discount from prices paid a year earlier.

If Target ends up taking the remaining Filene’s Basement space at Downtown Crossing, the move might help the image of the entire site and allow Vornado to charge more for the property, notes Paul Stanislas, Boston-based vice president in the retail group of brokerage firm Grubb & Ellis.

Earlier this year, Grubb & Ellis’ Boston team sold a building at 407 Washington Street, a 21,956-square-foot mixed-use property across the road from the Filene’s building, for $3 million. The deal proves that investors are interested in the area, according to Stanislas.

“It’s about the best spot on the street,” he says about the Filene’s building. If Target comes in, Vornado might be “able to go ahead with the new development on its own or sell it for a better figure. That corner needs to be brought back to its former glory and I think someone like Target would do a great job in generating traffic.”

http://retailtrafficmag.com/development/analysis/target_might_fulfill_vornado_crossing_09132011/
 
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Target Might Fulfill Vornado’s Downtown Crossing Dreams

Sep 14, 2011 7:40 AM, By Elaine Misonzhnik, Penton Commercial Real Estate Senior Associate Editor

The contentious Downtown Crossing project in Boston might finally be gaining traction as discount retailer Target mulls opening a store near the site.

http://retailtrafficmag.com/development/analysis/target_might_fulfill_vornado_crossing_09132011/

There's a rendering here of the Filenes / TarzJay on the DTX corner -- lot of glass!

For a somewhat contrarian view -- focused on personalities and hisory -- try this site:

http://www.bostonmagazine.com/articles/steve_roth_the_pit_boss_behind_the_filenes_crater/
 
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^^ I'm pretty sure that is the old Vornado render.
 
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From the Bostonmagazine site:

"But Hynes insists that three bidders recently approached Vornado’s asking price. “There have been a few that have gotten close and have been accepted, only to fall out of bed before they closed,” he says. Someone else familiar with the sale process confirms that in May, “two or three” bidders, all from out of town, came in above $90 million. Hynes says that one prospective buyer, an investor group led by the Hanover Company out of Houston, all but had a deal, only to have it fall apart....He adds that there could also be a scenario in which Vornado forms some sort of partnership with other investors to get the project going. (That there are six groups from outside Boston was corroborated by another source close to the process.)...In one form or another, though, Hynes insists that action is imminent. “Is it going to happen?” he says. “Yes. Is it going to happen soon? Yes.” He believes that Vornado will announce a decision by the beginning of October. If you find that hard to believe, then, Hynes says, you’re probably from around here.....Economically, the smartest play for Vornado seems to be to wait and develop the project itself. That would be consistent with its track record, too. Why voluntarily take a loss? Then again, Vornado does have some interest in appeasing local politicians. Despite owning only one other building here (the Boston Design Center), Vornado has a 20 percent stake in Suffolk Downs, one of the sites clamoring for a casino if the state legalizes gambling. Menino could well thwart the East Boston track’s expansion plans. That alone could be incentive for Vornado to move on from Filene’s.

The reality, though, is that there is only one thing of which we can be certain: Whatever Roth, Fascitelli, and Vornado choose to do with the hole at the Filene’s site, it will not be motivated by even the smallest bit of caring about the city of Boston. Even if Vornado does give in to Menino’s demands, it will almost surely be because Roth sees a bigger score down the road. Steven Roth doesn’t leave a penny on the table for anyone. "


Interesting!!! -- Suffolk Downs / Cassino, Filenes/DTX hole in the ground and the Seaport Sq. / Innovation District are apparenly coupled and then there is TarzJay
 
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Whatever Roth, Fascitelli, and Vornado choose to do with the hole at the Filene’s site, it will not be motivated by even the smallest bit of caring about the city of Boston.

I guess the BRA really did their homework on ROTH.

The BRA basically could careless about what the NIMBYS thought about the development process since the downtown development process bypassed most of the zoning regulations. Then the city of Boston implements BID on the local business's. How corrupt is this city.

ROTH is ruthless and has very deep pockets and could careless about MENINO or the city of Boston and their taxpayers. It's all about MONEY.

Like I said before the reason Roth waited so long to build Filenes is \
#1 he could....
#2 How much more could he get from the city & state especially after seeing

Fan Pier project 71 Million in tax breaks
Liberty Mutual project 45 Million in tax breaks
W-Hotel 10 Million dollar loan.


All said and done VORNADO really did nothing wrong but sit on the site until it made economic sense for them. I would say the BRA should learn from their mistakes but take a look at Columbus AVE project

Great article in BostonMagazine.
 
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Riff -- on this one you might just be on target (or is that TarzJay)

The only extraneous factor not included in your analysis is the Sufffolk / Casino -- if Roth wants in on that (presuming that the fix is really in with the Legislature and da Speka (despite his predecessors recent reservation with Club Fed) -- he might have to produce a viable plan for "the hole" or sell it

That could be Mennino's Ace in "the hole"
 
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Riff -- on this one you might just be on target (or is that TarzJay)

The only extraneous factor not included in your analysis is the Sufffolk / Casino -- if Roth wants in on that (presuming that the fix is really in with the Legislature and da Speka (despite his predecessors recent reservation with Club Fed) -- he might have to produce a viable plan for "the hole" or sell it

That could be Mennino's Ace in "the hole"

It's more than an ace, its probably a royal flush. Vornado has a 20 percent stake in Suffolk. The principal stakeholder (at least 45 percent) is Coastal Development.

http://www.coastaldevelopmentllc.com/resort.html

http://www.coastaldevelopmentllc.com/fields.html

http://www.coastaldevelopmentllc.com/shea.html

http://www.coastaldevelopmentllc.com/kleiman.html

They have surely told Vornado that the Mayuh can sit on the development of Suffolk Downs for as long as Roth sits on the hole that was Filene's.

The other owners are Joe O'Donnell of Boston, and Hall Properties of New York (Boston?).

Current bio for O'Donnell.
http://investing.businessweek.com/b...sCapId=8689320&previousTitle=Centerplate, Inc.

Hall Properties was the complete owner of Suffolk Downs between 1991 and 2007.
 
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Too many damn Suffolks in this town. University/County/Construction/Downs.
 
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Vornado dropping plans for its proposed Port Authority tower after Chinese investors break off the deal:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/15/nyregion/plans-called-off-for-tower-over-bus-terminal.html

Wonder if Vorndo is clearing the deck for action on the Suffolk Cassino since its likely that the legislation will be law by Friday this week.

To qualify the developer of the Cassino has to meet certain financial bonafides including the ability to lay a fairly large deposit on the table

wondah if dah Mayah/Godfada sent Roth the URL for his Chioforo video?
 
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Boston.com - November 28, 2011
Northeastern students open dialogue about Filene's site
By Jeremy C. Fox, Town Correspondent

Many Bostonians bemoan the downtown pit where Filene’s department store used to stand, but one local educator and his students decided to do something about it.

Northeastern University instructor Lee Moreau has worked all semester with his environmental design class to devise projects that would draw attention to the blighted site in Downtown Crossing. Through posters, signs, and interactive displays, the students recently set out to reignite public dialogue on the history of site and its future prospects.

The longtime location of the flagship Filene’s store and its original bargain basement was partially razed four years ago so a team of developers led by New York-based Vornado Realty Trust could build a 39-story tower of residences, offices, and retail space at the site.

But work on the project ceased in summer 2008, and Vornado has subsequently been unwilling to move forward or to sell the property at a loss, frustrating Mayor Thomas M. Menino and other city officials.

Moreau said he had to start the class at square one, with an explanation of the blight, because some of the juniors and seniors in the elective course didn’t know the hole was there. Once they learned more about the site, he said, they became engaged by the problem of what to do there.

“When probed, they come alive and they can really sort of process and think about and debate the issue, and that’s what we want to teach our students to do,” he said.

The result was an eclectic set of projects that aims to solicit public feedback on the site as much as to express any one perspective about it.

Senior Michelle Gayowski actively sought public comment, creating a giant frame in the style of an old Polaroid photo and asking people to be photographed at the site with their desired outcome written at the bottom of the frame.

Gayowski said she’d encountered some strong opinions.

“Some people are adamant pretty much one way or another right away,” said Gayowski, 22. She and classmate Francisco Dias, 23, said many people wanted to see a park in the area, and others had suggested attractions such as a circus, a bar, or art studios.

Gayowski said it was a little difficult at first to approach strangers on the street, but she got used to it after a while.

“Once you get a couple of people who are enthusiastic, it kind of boosts your morale,” she said.

David Restrepo, a senior from Colombia, said many passerby were confused by his project — a sign reading “Hole Sale” and a tray full of pamphlets and miniature replicas of the pit containing broken bits of concrete.

“I’ve been getting some positive people, and other people just don’t get it and walk away,” said Restrepo, 22, who was inspired by the souvenirs tourists can buy in any large city but also by the sale of pieces of the Berlin Wall after the fall of communism.

“What I wanted to do with this … is reflect the history of this [site] in one artifact,” Restrepo said. When asked for a price on the souvenir, he would reply $100 million, the amount Vornado paid for the block.

Annalise Ogle charmed most of the pedestrians who stopped at her table to look through stereoscopic viewers using archival photos of the site in Filene’s heyday. The project embraced the nostalgia many feel for the old Filene’s store but also a nostalgia for the viewer, which many played with as children in its bright-red-plastic incarnation, wherein such figures as the Muppets and Winnie the Pooh once cavorted.

Ogle, a senior from Littleton, Mass., said the response to the viewer was overwhelmingly positive.

“Everyone wants to see this problem solved,” said Ogle, 22. “It’s not so much, ‘Oh, I miss Filene’s.’ It’s more like, ‘I miss what Boston used to be.’ It’s a symptom of a larger problem.”

Nader Boraie, a senior from New Jersey, took a darker tone with his project. Boraie, 22, handed out postcards to passerby that depicted a dystopian view of Boston and had space on the back for a message to Vornado.

“Basically, they’re to try to urge the developer Vornado to get their act together and do what they promised to do,” he said. “Everybody that’s taken one has been pretty interested in expressing how they feel. A lot of people are pretty passionate about cleaning the area up.”

Though the students had many positive responses, there were a couple of complications — some signs and posters that were put up without permits had to be removed almost as soon as they were posted. But Moreau said he was surprised overall at how accommodating city officials, business owners, and the public had been.

“In general, I think the event was a great learning experience ... learning how to deal with the police respectfully, learning how hard it is to leaflet on the street, learning that planning and logistics matter, and learning that no one really cares what you think until you show them some passion and excitement,” he wrote in an email. “I learned a great deal too.”

For a photo gallery on the students' work, click here.

For more information about the projects, visit http://www.contestedterrain.org/ and http://hellovornado.com/. For a gallery of photos from Saturday, click here.
 
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Stat -- " " Though the students had many positive responses, there were a couple of complications — some signs and posters that were put up without permits had to be removed almost as soon as they were posted. But Moreau said he was surprised overall at how accommodating city officials, business owners, and the public had been.

“In general, I think the event was a great learning experience ... learning how to deal with the police respectfully, learning how hard it is to leaflet on the street, learning that planning and logistics matter, and learning that no one really cares what you think until you show them some passion and excitement,” he wrote in an email. “I learned a great deal too.”

What an absoulute waste of resources

although the person with the vintage pictures was harmless

why didn't they put up a big screen find or do some possibles -- and let people as they walk by select from potential designs using a mobile ap -- of course they'd never get permission for the screen
 
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I guess this student doesn't read my posts.

Nader Boraie, a senior from New Jersey, took a darker tone with his project. Boraie, 22, handed out postcards to passerby that depicted a dystopian view of Boston and had space on the back for a message to Vornado.

“Basically, they’re to try to urge the developer Vornado to get their act together and do what they promised to do,” he said. “Everybody that’s taken one has been pretty interested in expressing how they feel. A lot of people are pretty passionate about cleaning the area up.”



ROTH is ruthless and has very deep pockets and could careless about MENINO or the city of Boston and their taxpayers. It's all about MONEY.

Like I said before the reason Roth waited so long to build Filenes is
#1 he could....
#2 How much more could he get from the city & state especially after seeing

Fan Pier project 71 Million in tax breaks
Liberty Mutual project 45 Million in tax breaks
W-Hotel 10 Million dollar loan.


All said and done VORNADO really did nothing wrong but sit on the site until it made economic sense for them. I would say the BRA should learn from their mistakes but take a look at Columbus AVE project


Without a more consistent development process for the city. Everything built will be second and third rate for a city that should be FIRST RATE.
 
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I did love the postcard that guy made. I'd buy it and I bet a lot of others would, too.
 
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Someone from here should contact the guy with the postcard and let him know about our interest in it. I would love to take part in that as well.

Also, I'm shocked that The Omni Parker House, Mantra, and the Elephant & Castle Pub donated fancy dinners that they knew would not be eaten. It makes you reconsider the scope of who actually cares. Most people would write off the Omni Parker House as (dare I say it) caterers to the 1%, but to see that they donated to this incredible cause (with $0 gain for them, only loss) really shows a different side than what is perceived. Furthermore, why aren't these restaurants involved in an action committee as well? Is there even an action committee for Filene's?
 
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Article / op-ed by McGrory in today's Globe re: Menino, Vornado, the casino at Suffolk Downs, and Filene's

http://www.boston.com/news/local/ma..._the_big_filenes_hole_downtown/?p1=News_links

McGrory says Vornado almost sold the site for about $100 million a few weeks ago, and the deal fell through.

McGrory leans toward Menino's side in the fight with Vornado.

Do you really believe Menino cares about Downtown or the rest of the city now? I think at this point he is just trying to swindled as much as possible before he leaves office.
 
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