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stefalarchitect said:
Oh come on. I avoid this thread at all costs but for you to just assume the top blue states use the majority of welfare is just absurd, especially with no source. USA Today (using real data, from USDA and US Census) compiled a list of the top 7, and they're not the top blue states. It's a mix.
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For the record, that is not a USA Today article:

The Cheat Sheet is a USA TODAY content partner offering financial news and commentary. Its content is produced independently of USA TODAY.

Also, yes, that data is accurate for food stamps, but paints a very incomplete picture for which states take more than they give back. SNAP is only a small portion of gov't "handouts."
 
datadyne007 said:
For the record, that is not a USA Today article:

The Cheat Sheet is a USA TODAY content partner offering financial news and commentary. Its content is produced independently of USA TODAY.

Also, yes, that data is accurate for food stamps, but paints a very incomplete picture for which states take more than they give back. SNAP is only a small portion of gov't "handouts."
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Fixed. Didn't know the Cheat Sheet was "independent" of USA Today..

Understood about the states taking more than they give back.
 
I support cutting off funding for red states, they've been begging for it and who best to do that than their savior? I still despise Putin's Russia though. I can deal with trump punishing red states but I can't deal with him threatening our national security.

Ps. Rifle nyc and Chicago aren't states.
 
TheRifleman said:
Do you really believe the civil war was about the fight for slavery between the Red & the Blue states? "The war was fought over state's rights and the limits of federal power in a union of states"
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Uh, yes, I do, and I call BULLSHIT on you...the "states' rights" at issue were the southern states' laws which legalized treating persons as property, and those states' fear that when demographics tilted the national balance of power to the "free" states that the federal government would use its power to outlaw slavery.

Don't kid yourself: almost every pre-civil war states' rights argument has defending slavery at its core. Almost every post-civil war "states' rights" argument has denial of civil rights at its core.

Friend, don't confuse being libertarian with "states' rights" advocacy.

Don't dig that hole. It's gonna fall in on you.
 
Between the declaration of independence and the constitution, protecting the unalienable rights of all is a responsibility granted to the federal government, I'm not sure how specific the wording is and I'm not gonna look right now, but it was clearly not left up to individual states whether or not they could deny a person "life liberty and the pursuit of happiness". The federal government was founded on that principle.

I believe in states rights but that only applies to things that weren't specifically delegated to the federal government in the first place. For instance, I see new england states using their rights to Shield themselves from trumpenomics.
 
^^^ These are modern interpretations. I'm not going to attempt a civics or US history class here, subjects that have weakened in most curricula over the last 30 years. Those "unalienable" rights to liberty were drafted as being for WHITE MEN of the Protestant persuasion. Period, full stop. Everything since then has been an evolution of interpretation, brought by real blood, real sweat, real war, pain and suffering.

Folks have to get straight on all this shit. You can't fight the fight if you can't even find the battlefield. And when you get there, knowledge is your ammo, and hatred of inequality your trigger finger.

Those dudes who talk about "original intent", states rights and so forth... they aren't your pals.

Good night.


P.S. I am a very old white man of the Protestant persuasion.
 
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datadyne007 said:
You would be out of money then.

http://www.businessinsider.com/red-states-are-welfare-queens-2011-8#!IpqnG
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Let me rephrase my comment by saying Welfare not just poor but Bailouts and stimulus packages.

How much money between Welfare, Bankers/Corporate Bailouts and Union stimulus packages to buy votes. How much money is diverted from Federal Funds to which states concerning these 3 components.

This is my list of the states that suck the Federal tax dollars dry between welfare, bailouts, union stimulus packages.
#1 California
#2 NYC
#3 Massachusetts (Big Dig Alone was one of the biggest thefts I have seen --3 Billion dollar quote turns into 22 Billion+) No accountability.
#4 Chicago
#5 Michigan

Now you know why the electoral college vote exists to keep balance for states that really don't consume or are populated that much.
Do you really believe the 5 states I mentioned consume like Miss, Alabama, Louisana, Virginia, Wisconsin, Montana.
 
The electoral college as it has come to function today is nothing more than a form of affirmative action for poor and stupid white trash. Essentially it perpetuates a species not worth perpetuating.

Oh, btw, Chicago and NYC are cities, not states.
 
TheRifleman said:
Let me rephrase my comment by saying Welfare not just poor but Bailouts and stimulus packages.

How much money between Welfare, Bankers/Corporate Bailouts and Union stimulus packages to buy votes. How much money is diverted from Federal Funds to which states concerning these 3 components.

This is my list of the states that suck the Federal tax dollars dry between welfare, bailouts, union stimulus packages.
#1 California
#2 NYC
#3 Massachusetts (Big Dig Alone was one of the biggest thefts I have seen --3 Billion dollar quote turns into 22 Billion+) No accountability.
#4 Chicago
#5 Michigan

Now you know why the electoral college vote exists to keep balance for states that really don't consume or are populated that much.
Do you really believe the 5 states I mentioned consume like Miss, Alabama, Louisana, Virginia, Wisconsin, Montana.
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What. The sparsely populated states suck up way more per capita due to roads bridges etc into the middle of nowhere. The people make less money. Just ask Maine, the south of the state subsidizes the north. And Northern Maine is a total Trumpistan.
 
Show me the stats concerning my comment: I personally have no idea.
Total amount of Welfare, Banker/Corporation Bailouts, Union Stimulus Packages:
Since 2000-2017:
What states receive the most Federal Tax Dollars with those 3 components concerning that date range.

I'm betting the list:
This is my list of the states that suck the Federal tax dollars dry between welfare, bailouts, union stimulus packages.
#1 California
#2 NY
#3 Massachusetts
#4 Illinois (Thank you I made the corrections)
#5 Michigan

This would be eye opening to get an understanding on where all this money was diverted to which states concerning those 3 criteria. They won't have this DATA just sitting around.

People rob 7-11 for $100 bucks and do 10 Years. The Big Dig was missing Billions and the project actually killed a pedestrian what does Martha Coakley do? Signs off that bechtel parsons brinckerhoff is no longer liable for future problems of the project.
 
tysmith95 said:
The first four states you mentioned contribute much more to the federal government than they get back.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/361668/?client=ms-android-verizon
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That didn't answer my question.

which states have benefitted from all the bailouts/stimulus packages and welfare from that the date range 2000-2017
The Big Dig alone ripped-off 17 Billion in Federal Tax dollars how is that contributing back to Mississipi Taxpayers?

Show me the stats concerning my comment: I personally have no idea.
Total amount of Welfare, Banker/Corporation Bailouts, Union Stimulus Packages:
Since 2000-2017:
What states receive the most Federal Tax Dollars with those 3 components concerning that date range.

I'm betting the list:
This is my list of the states that suck the Federal tax dollars dry between welfare, bailouts, union stimulus packages.
#1 California
#2 NY
#3 Massachusetts
#4 Illinois (Thank you I made the corrections)
#5 Michigan

This would be eye opening to get an understanding on where all this money was diverted to which states concerning those 3 criteria. They won't have this DATA just sitting around.
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All 5 states that I named are all BIG UNIONS States.
 
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Pffft. People in Mississippi would need to actually have an income in order to be tax payers. From what I've been told my mental image of that state is about spot on.
 
Jouhou said:
Pffft. People in Mississippi would need to actually have an income in order to be tax payers. From what I've been told my mental image of that state is about spot on.
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So wouldn't the Federal Govt issuing out IOU's that continue to make Mississippi taxpayers even poorer by destroying the currency.
Maybe Mississippi poorer lifestyle is just simpler way of life not as complex. Why should Mississippi or any other taxpaying state subsidy Massachusetts corruption?
I thought Massachusetts is supposed to be this ultra intelligent group of citizens? But they can't even balance a budget.



Its not like the Federal Govt has 20 Trillion dollars in cash. It's DEBT backed by the overall United States Taxpayers.

The dollar's buying power reflects the same as Mass Residents as it would Miss Residents.

That's my point.
 
Massachusetts pays more federal taxes than it gets back. Stop ignoring facts Rifle. It has nothing to do with unions.
 
tysmith95 said:
Massachusetts pays more federal taxes than it gets back. Stop ignoring facts Rifle. It has nothing to do with unions.
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Until we can get this data. That statement is false. You have no idea just like I do.

My assumption could have some valid points backed by data.
Its just a hunch.

Show me the stats concerning my comment: I personally have no idea.
Total amount of Welfare, Banker/Corporation Bailouts, Union Stimulus Packages:
Since 2000-2017:
What states receive the most Federal Tax Dollars with those 3 components concerning that date range.

I'm betting the list:
This is my list of the states that suck the Federal tax dollars dry between welfare, bailouts, union stimulus packages.
#1 California
#2 NY
#3 Massachusetts
#4 Illinois (Thank you I made the corrections)
#5 Michigan

This would be eye opening to get an understanding on where all this money was diverted to which states concerning those 3 criteria. They won't have this DATA just sitting around.
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All 5 states that I named are all BIG UNIONS States
 
tobyjug said:
Uh, yes, I do, and I call BULLSHIT on you...the "states' rights" at issue were the southern states' laws which legalized treating persons as property, and those states' fear that when demographics tilted the national balance of power to the "free" states that the federal government would use its power to outlaw slavery.

Don't kid yourself: almost every pre-civil war states' rights argument has defending slavery at its core. Almost every post-civil war "states' rights" argument has denial of civil rights at its core.

Friend, don't confuse being libertarian with "states' rights" advocacy.

Don't dig that hole. It's gonna fall in on you.
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I'll take a loss on my original comment.

The reason why I made that comment is what I read and viewed seeing that the North was just as bad as the South concerning the acceptance to the African American communities.
The north did not accept African Americans as equal human beings. So all this so called fighting for slavery was being hypocritical by the North as you are not my equal anyway. I feel Lincoln had an overall vision for the entire country which he then used the civil war as a concept of freeing Slavery as a moral obligation to mankind.

The real slavery now comes through our nations monetary policy along with the rules & tpolicy regulations through Washington.
 
Rifle, if you hate blue states so much why don't you move to Mississippi
 
TheRifleman said:
I'll take a loss on my original comment.

The reason why I made that comment is what I read and viewed seeing that the North was just as bad as the South concerning the acceptance to the African American communities.
The north did not accept African Americans as equal human beings. So all this so called fighting for slavery was being hypocritical by the North as you are not my equal anyway. I feel Lincoln had an overall vision for the entire country which he then used the civil war as a concept of freeing Slavery as a moral obligation to mankind.

The real slavery now comes through our nations monetary policy along with the rules & tpolicy regulations through Washington.
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My friend, I take your fight to be a sincere one.

I agree one shouldn't glorify "northern moral superiority". Many a northern fortune was made off of the "triangle trade" (you Brown University grads know all about this, right?), and many an ass over at the Somerset Club fattened by it.

I disagree that Lincoln used slavery as a pretext for civil war and for the strengthening of the powers of the executive branch. (That is essentially the argument that John Wilkes Booth used to justify Lincoln's assassination.) I believe Lincoln genuinely hated slavery, but as a politician would have tolerated its gradual elimination if civil war could have been avoided.

But these are all distractions. We have to be very clear-minded about what lies ahead.
 
And we have to deal with people like Rifleman who is marginally educated telling us educated millennials (or educated people for that matter), that we are lazy, wrong, and privileged when he wouldn't make the effort to educate himself before spewing bs.

Rifleman, I'll be blunt. If you came into any job interview for any white collared position with that amount of uneducated nonsense, you'd get rejected at every single one. Maybe it's time that you do something about it and go back to school.
 
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