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Re: Site in Hub top choice for a soccer stadium

It's pretty clear that Kraft just wants to build a stadium and plop it right in Boston on a site wedged between a highway and train tracks with neighborhoods 10 mins away on either side. This proposal actually surprised me because of this. I expected to see a Revolution Place scheme (or at least some sort of additional development) with whatever the next proposal was, but that wasn't the case this time around. The thinking appears to be put the stadium down in a parcel sized to hold it and nothing else and let the neighborhood bars & restaurants fulfill the demand.

Two possible thoughts on this:

1) The Kraft Group is in the development business.

Just because a "Revolution Place" isn't outlined in this proposal doesn't mean they are not planning it.

The FIRST phase of Patriot Place did not open until 5.5 years after Gillette opened (and Kraft already owned that land).

There is very little motive for Kraft to build just a stadium. What does he get out of merely building a stadium in an area that will feed other peoples' businesses and restaurants? His goal is one of real estate and synergistic ongoing development around the engine that will feed his other properties. He does charity to 501c3 organizations, not to other business people.

2) This could also be a well placed/timed needle in the ass to Somerville and Revere (aka, the "Hartford Plan" in the 90's - - that one came with detailed maps too).
 
Re: Site in Hub top choice for a soccer stadium

It's got to be easier than decking the pike, because there are at least a few hours at night where there isn't really any traffic through the yard.

Also, the T should see this as an opportunity . Leasing air rights over the yard would boost their revenues with no investment needed. I disagree that the T would look at this opportunity and say no because it might interfere with schedules for a few months. That would be foolish.

Decking the Pike is actually easier, because the median of a highway is wider than the space between active maintenance tracks. Also there is far from "no investment needed." There is an immense cost to the T in operational capacity of the maintenance yard over a period of years. That efficiency has monetary value.

It's conceivably plausible that for the right price the MBTA could allow a low and narrow air rights development along Fourth (which is outside the yard and where there is some space between tracks for columns), but that's about it. This is the Red Line's only maintenance facility, and you don't push state agencies around like the BTD.
 
Re: Site in Hub top choice for a soccer stadium

I honestly think Somerville is completely out of the question at this point. Assembly Row is moving right along. The city doesn't need this the way it once did.

Suffolk downs is another matter, and I don't disagree with some about the North Shore being a slightly better location overall, but it's not as if this is out in the sticks somewhere. And hey, maybe if Karft builds this, he could become a supporter of Red/Blue and help that get going again.
 
Re: Site in Hub top choice for a soccer stadium

It's got to be easier than decking the pike, because there are at least a few hours at night where there isn't really any traffic through the yard.

It's not easier than decking the Pike. The Pike is in a cut. Cabot Yards is not. You'd have to build a raised deck, above the height of the tallest building in the yard, which is way more $.
 
Re: Site in Hub top choice for a soccer stadium

Two possible thoughts on this:

1) The Kraft Group is in the development business.

Just because a "Revolution Place" isn't outlined in this proposal doesn't mean they are not planning it.

The FIRST phase of Patriot Place did not open until 5.5 years after Gillette opened (and Kraft already owned that land).

There is very little motive for Kraft to build just a stadium. What does he get out of merely building a stadium in an area that will feed other peoples' businesses and restaurants? His goal is one of real estate and synergistic ongoing development around the engine that will feed his other properties. He does charity to 501c3 organizations, not to other business people.

2) This could also be a well placed/timed needle in the ass to Somerville and Revere (aka, the "Hartford Plan" in the 90's - - that one came with detailed maps too).

It's probably all of the above. Kraft isn't a dummy. Somerville isn't as invested in a SSS as it used to be because of their wild success with Phase 1 of Assembly. I don't think they'd mind a Rev's stadium taking the Home Depot spot, but they're likely not courting Kraft like they had been in the past. Kraft is keeping his options open. If after this release, Revere or Somerville get more desperate, that works better for Kraft, and allows him to hedge his bets if the Olympics fall through and he decides that this isn't the best place for him to put the venue.
 
Re: Site in Hub top choice for a soccer stadium

I think the Revs at Assembly is definitely out, but the Revs as the center piece and catalyst for a complete redevelopment of the Inner Belt? I gotta think it's still something Curtatone would think about if offered.
 
Re: Site in Hub top choice for a soccer stadium

If after this release, Revere or Somerville get more desperate, that works better for Kraft.

Somerville is getting a lot more fussy and selective -- and I think that Boston wants this stadium more than Somerville at this point.

With the Partners HQ under construction and the Assembly buzz chugging along (despite radio silence on a Phase 2 groundbreaking) I think the City is all about maximizing space value and has put to rest the previous sentiment: "Please put anything into this big hole!"

With Wynn across the river, eventually the area around Sullivan will redevelop and knit this area further together.

Given the Somervision plan calls for a reduction in car trips, a stadium may not be as suitable for that space as a mixed use development for the creative class. Just as the Innovation district would have been a great place for a stadium 10 years ago, but now would never consider it, so for Assembly in the next three years.

I was hoping for the SSS to be a reality, but the new location (or Revere) are great alternatives.
 
Re: Site in Hub top choice for a soccer stadium

I think the Revs at Assembly is definitely out, but the Revs as the center piece and catalyst for a complete redevelopment of the Inner Belt? I gotta think it's still something Curtatone would think about if offered.

I think the arguments for Somerville and and Revere are a bit off-base. The low and middle-income immigrant community isn't really important to any owner, even if it does form the heart of the soccer fan base in the US. The business of major league sports is in corporate sponsorships and purchases of suites, as well as sales of season tickets at high prices to rich people. That's where the money comes from.

If Bob Kraft, or any other owner, has a choice between a SSS in Downtown, directly adjacent to the tony South End, that allows him to play with Seattle, the LA Galaxy, New York FC, whatever Beckham is doing in Miami, etc. as a destination for people with lots of disposable income, and a Red Bull Arena-style redevelopment of an industrial area in a working-class secondary city, he's going with the bling every time. Immigrants and hipsters will take the train to Broadway, but State Street Financial (or some such company) won't give him heaps of money to sponsor a stadium in Inner Belt.
 
Re: Site in Hub top choice for a soccer stadium

There is another option here, which could be awesome if exercised.

Kraft could build new rail yards beneath this new stadium, freeing up all the land where the rail yards are now for a new bus garage. The T (and amtrak) would get shiny new facilities out of the elements, and Kraft gets a nice chunk of much more desirable land along Dot Ave to develop at-grade.

If I was him, that would be my end-game.
 
Re: Site in Hub top choice for a soccer stadium

There is another option here, which could be awesome if exercised.

Kraft could build new rail yards beneath this new stadium, freeing up all the land where the rail yards are now for a new bus garage. The T (and amtrak) would get shiny new facilities out of the elements, and Kraft gets a nice chunk of much more desirable land along Dot Ave to develop at-grade.

If I was him, that would be my end-game.

A maintenance yard is not a layover yard. You can move layover tracks all over the place, because there isn't any need for access - you just park the trains there and they sit. A maintenance facility has covered bays, heavy equipment, materials warehouses. All of that needs easy access from multiple angles, and it's all very complicated to move and replace when there's decades upon decades of sweat equity in the current arrangement.

Again, I hate to sound like F-Line, but this just isn't feasible. That maintenance yard is sacrosanct.
 
Re: Site in Hub top choice for a soccer stadium

A maintenance yard is not a layover yard. You can move layover tracks all over the place, because there isn't any need for access - you just park the trains there and they sit. A maintenance facility has covered bays, heavy equipment, materials warehouses. All of that needs easy access from multiple angles, and it's all very complicated to move and replace when there's decades upon decades of sweat equity in the current arrangement.

Again, I hate to sound like F-Line, but this just isn't feasible. That maintenance yard is sacrosanct.

They did it with BET in the 90s, no?

I'm not talking about trying to deck or rearrange the current yard, I'm talking about building a brand new facility and then tearing down the old one. If it happened, it would be designed from the get-go to address all those issues, and fix whatever problems there are with the current facility (which I'm sure there are many)
 
Re: Site in Hub top choice for a soccer stadium

I think the Revs at Assembly is definitely out, but the Revs as the center piece and catalyst for a complete redevelopment of the Inner Belt? I gotta think it's still something Curtatone would think about if offered.

I think this would be bad for the city and hope it doesn't happen. Inner Belt/Brickbottom is too valuable real estate for a behemoth like a stadium, even a "smaller" soccer one. The land should be reserved for what the city needs - residential (preferably affordable) and high end office, in addition to the light industrial currently existing there. Assembly would be much better, as it would fill in a giant deadzone, and exists near a freeway which lessens it's value for the other uses. If it ends up happening in South Boston, I guess that's fine, for similar reasons.
 
Re: Site in Hub top choice for a soccer stadium

A maintenance yard is not a layover yard. You can move layover tracks all over the place, because there isn't any need for access - you just park the trains there and they sit. A maintenance facility has covered bays, heavy equipment, materials warehouses. All of that needs easy access from multiple angles, and it's all very complicated to move and replace when there's decades upon decades of sweat equity in the current arrangement.

Again, I hate to sound like F-Line, but this just isn't feasible. That maintenance yard is sacrosanct.

If somebody wrote the T a blank check to rebuild itself:

1a) A new storage yard closer to Columbia Jct. that serves all current and 50-year storage needs for the Red Line and all non- Crazy Transit Pitch service expansions therein. . .
...or...
1b) A new storage yard closer to Columbia Jct. and a new storage yard punched out the back of the Alewife non-revenue tunnel claiming some Cambridge Park Dr. rear parking lots (note: narrow-profile subway train parking garages are a real thing). Where the two locations collectively serve the 50-year storage needs for the RL and service expansions therein. . .

...AND...

2) Relocate the Cabot maint facilities to a parcel--either on the current site in space vacated by the pure train storage (like north of W. Broadway by the loop) or elsewhere (maybe the far-SW wedge between Amtrak/Southampton St./Frontage Rd.) on land never feasible for air rights or where the land can be prepped for compatible air rights over the tall garage bays (e.g. digging the pit lower and safely away from underground streams). . .

. . .where the train storage is relocated first, the new maint facilities are built second, and the T vacates its old maint facilities last. . .

. . .maybe there's an ounce of daylight to negotiate something. Maybe.


That's the only possible sequence where this could work in a way that the state will sign off on. And keep in mind that it's not so simple as a development-mad Governor or Legislature telling MassDOT "OBEY!" with a move against their will. There are agency charter considerations giving them certain amounts of decision-making and right-of-first-refusal autonomy in the fine print. That's why the MBTA was a chartered agency and not a cabinet department; the ground it rides on has to be able to survive year-to-year whims of short-attention span pols. It was created that way to help save the then- critically endangered species known as commuter rail which wouldn't have survived the 60's on the whims of a popular vote.

So...money moves mountains is not quite accurate. To make this work in sequence in a way that would free up acreage would require the private interests to more or less cut them a blank check for all the logistics AND gift the Red Line its own reality TV episode of "Pimp My Train Yard" for the entire 50-year bucket list of expansion needs. Private money for one specific site just doesn't travel miles and miles offsite with that much ease for tangential mitigation like that. Nor can the BRA easily facilitate some of these things. Just on that one 'plausible' scenario I listed it involves minor land acquisition negotiation with Alewife tenants and DCR EIS'ing for a short stub tunnel on Alewife Reservation, and bartering with Amtrak on its home turf at Southampton (though if they get some freed-up Cabot acreage that's a trade they probably make).



You get the idea. The protection offered all the transportation entities involved has to be so complete, total, absolute maximum-convenience to their needs, and future-proofed to make the trade the land negotiations alone possible. And private dev money for one site just isn't transactionally portable enough to smooth over that kind of breadth of mitigation in multiple locations with that many state- or agency-level parties across and outside the city. The hurdles are way higher than the bottom-line development value of Widett Circle air rights, and for-profit investors will have exceeded their tolerance for overhead cost long before you even game out all these "what if" scenarios.

I mean, it's a nice centrally-located slab o' land, but it's a far cry from Hudson Yards in intrinsic value. The permanent elevated I-93 borg alone imposes a sharp ceiling on the land value even if the train yards had a small crack of theoretical wiggle room.
 
Re: Site in Hub top choice for a soccer stadium

They did it with BET in the 90s, no?

I'm not talking about trying to deck or rearrange the current yard, I'm talking about building a brand new facility and then tearing down the old one. If it happened, it would be designed from the get-go to address all those issues, and fix whatever problems there are with the current facility (which I'm sure there are many)

BET was why the Alewife maint shed and Readville Yard 2 were built as permanent facilities. They gingerly overstuffed those tracks in a delicate staging process for each commute then made do with what outdoor storage was still online while BET got built. Then outsourced as much vehicle maintenance to Conrail at Beacon Park and P&W in Worcester as they could for the duration they were stuck with strictly temporary shop space. This was right before the Old Colony and Newburyport extensions opened and the locomotive and coach fleets got substantially expanded, so commuter rail was a lot smaller a daily operation in 1995-96.

They built that new facility in a huge 2-year blitz. Helped that it was in no-man's land and they could work 24/7. And helped that the century-old Boston & Maine shops were so hugely downsized from their heyday that the remaining old commuter rail buildings were scattered widely around the site and weren't totally offline while the big integrated facility in the middle of the parcel was a giant hole in the ground. Just look on Historic Aerials late-80's/early-90's. It really was a poorly-utilized dump in and around where the current busy facility sits.



But it was still controversial. Menino fought Readville tooth-and-nail, and spent the next 10 years trying to get commuter rail evicted from Yard 2. And the Widett/Southampton tension between the T and Amtrak was set into motion by the increased T presence kicked off by BET's construction and made permanent by the Old Colony's debut and southside service expansion. Everything we've been talking about with land use for train yards and South Station Expansion was pretty much galvanized 20 years ago in this set of decisions.



FWIW...since the T was looking at the BTD yard itself, if Kraft wants to built for-real air rights under the stadium and parking garage after it bulldozes the BTD property...that's a Readville Yard 2's worth of train storage right there that could be tucked out of view if it just had ventilation fans with exhaust directed out back over the surface tracks blown away from the stadium (or collected and piped underground to a smokestack akin to those cubist-architecture Big Dig/Pike vent buildings. And they could pull out of Readville entirely, land-swap the city "Wolcott Square II / Meninoville", and everyone get the best of all land-use worlds:

-- Menino gets his legacy fulfilled and gets a new Hyde Park mixed-use neighborhoodlet named after him.
-- The T pulls its southside HQ's in closer to the Widett and Beacon Park home base and jettisons a location in the outskirts it never really wanted in the first place.
-- The city housing crunch gets substantially abated with affordable units built along the Neponset instead of "affordable" units downtown everybody knows are still going to be priced way too high-end to do much.
-- Readville gets de-industrialized a little bit (since Dedham cockblocks any new revenue-generators on those unused yards) and kicks off revival of the nasty entrails section of Hyde Park Ave.
-- The land value at Widett gets cranked up another notch by a more optimal land use density that makes everyone happy.
-- The T and Amtrak are in a much less defensive posture about outside parties lustily scheming to cannibalize the rest of their space.
 
Re: Site in Hub top choice for a soccer stadium

BET was why the Alewife maint shed and Readville Yard 2 were built as permanent facilities. They gingerly overstuffed those tracks in a delicate staging process for each commute then made do with what outdoor storage was still online while BET got built. Then outsourced as much vehicle maintenance to Conrail at Beacon Park and P&W in Worcester as they could for the duration they were stuck with strictly temporary shop space. This was right before the Old Colony and Newburyport extensions opened and the locomotive and coach fleets got substantially expanded, so commuter rail was a lot smaller a daily operation in 1995-96.

They built that new facility in a huge 2-year blitz. Helped that it was in no-man's land and they could work 24/7. And helped that the century-old Boston & Maine shops were so hugely downsized from their heyday that the remaining old commuter rail buildings were scattered widely around the site and weren't totally offline while the big integrated facility in the middle of the parcel was a giant hole in the ground. Just look on Historic Aerials late-80's/early-90's. It really was a poorly-utilized dump in and around where the current busy facility sits.



But it was still controversial. Menino fought Readville tooth-and-nail, and spent the next 10 years trying to get commuter rail evicted from Yard 2. And the Widett/Southampton tension between the T and Amtrak was set into motion by the increased T presence kicked off by BET's construction and made permanent by the Old Colony's debut and southside service expansion. Everything we've been talking about with land use for train yards and South Station Expansion was pretty much galvanized 20 years ago in this set of decisions.



FWIW...since the T was looking at the BTD yard itself, if Kraft wants to built for-real air rights under the stadium and parking garage after it bulldozes the BTD property...that's a Readville Yard 2's worth of train storage right there that could be tucked out of view if it just had ventilation fans with exhaust directed out back over the surface tracks blown away from the stadium (or collected and piped underground to a smokestack akin to those cubist-architecture Big Dig/Pike vent buildings. And they could pull out of Readville entirely, land-swap the city "Wolcott Square II / Meninoville", and everyone get the best of all land-use worlds:

-- Menino gets his legacy fulfilled and gets a new Hyde Park mixed-use neighborhoodlet named after him.
-- The T pulls its southside HQ's in closer to the Widett and Beacon Park home base and jettisons a location in the outskirts it never really wanted in the first place.
-- The city housing crunch gets substantially abated with affordable units built along the Neponset instead of "affordable" units downtown everybody knows are still going to be priced way too high-end to do much.
-- Readville gets de-industrialized a little bit (since Dedham cockblocks any new revenue-generators on those unused yards) and kicks off revival of the nasty entrails section of Hyde Park Ave.
-- The land value at Widett gets cranked up another notch by a more optimal land use density that makes everyone happy.
-- The T and Amtrak are in a much less defensive posture about outside parties lustily scheming to cannibalize the rest of their space.

I think if the Krafts do pursue this stadium site it is quite likely that they would like to partner with the MBTA to provide train storage under the stadium / parking structures. This way the Krafts could get some public funds and at the same time they can point out that they are helping the T to achieve a goal they have been working on for a while.
 
Re: Site in Hub top choice for a soccer stadium

I think if the Krafts do pursue this stadium site it is quite likely that they would like to partner with the MBTA to provide train storage under the stadium / parking structures. This way the Krafts could get some public funds and at the same time they can point out that they are helping the T to achieve a goal they have been working on for a while.

There's one more angle here.

The Albany St. bus garage property on the other side of the 93 borg from this would-be stadium site is another sought-after dev parcel that is fully attached to its neighborhood if you can find a way to stuff the bus storage somewhere inocuous. The T is amenable to a land-swappy for that one. Had they gotten the BTD property themselves for train space a garage relocation on a slice of that property would've worked for swapping out of Albany St. If not there then one of the bombed-out parcels on Dot Ave. by Andrew across the tracks from the Amtrak facility would've been a good place likewise equivalently positioned to serve the same bus routes out of the same general location.


An air rights garage above a train storage level provides a good 12 tracks 800-1000 ft. long to replicate/replace Readville Yard 2. And then if the stadium is also built on air rights the ground level under the playing field makes for an awfully nice underground bus garage replacing Albany St.


So there are a couple additional dominoes that could fall if they clean-room some air rights stilts on the BTD property in lieu of strictly ground-level parking (or strictly ground-level stadium):

-- Readville Yard 2...a.k.a. future Wolcott Square II
-- 150,000 sq. ft. parcel across the street on the Albany-Randolph St. block to plunk some of your stadium-surrounding mixed-use and entertainment.
 
Re: Site in Hub top choice for a soccer stadium

Two possible thoughts on this:

1) The Kraft Group is in the development business.

Just because a "Revolution Place" isn't outlined in this proposal doesn't mean they are not planning it.

The FIRST phase of Patriot Place did not open until 5.5 years after Gillette opened (and Kraft already owned that land).

There is very little motive for Kraft to build just a stadium. What does he get out of merely building a stadium in an area that will feed other peoples' businesses and restaurants? His goal is one of real estate and synergistic ongoing development around the engine that will feed his other properties. He does charity to 501c3 organizations, not to other business people.

2) This could also be a well placed/timed needle in the ass to Somerville and Revere (aka, the "Hartford Plan" in the 90's - - that one came with detailed maps too).
This. So this.


You have to take into account soccer (I so want to call it by its proper name "football") and its growing popularity. This summer was indicative of that with this country's World Cup run (don't even get me going on Clinton Dempsey).


Are the other football clubs teams playing in Patriot Place like facilities? No. Do the Seattle Sounders have "Sounders Place" or Seahawk Place" out there? No. But then again. This is New England. And Bob Kraft is the P.T. Barnum of modern sport and development. He knows the market, the demographic makeup for how seriously we take sport here in the area. So, he has a choice as to whether or not his ventures make money or not. He wasn't born yesterday. If he feels that a Revs Plays is viable outside of his new Soutie facility, then he will build. It's a numbers game.

I was out in Portland, Oregon earlier this summer. I rode the TriMet. First off, THEIR red line is above and beyond our red line. Sorry MBTA nut riders. And it goes right to Providence Park which is where the Portland Timbers play. Transit friendly 2.0.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBr1FKbv1Mo
 
Re: Somerville Soccer Stadium

I'm just going to leave you all with this thought instead of the angry post I was originally going to write: none of you have any guarantee that this isn't just going to be a bait-and-switch for a Gillette Stadium replacement.
A valid concern, but isn't it solved if in whatever agreement emerges between the Walsh and the Krafts, a clause is put in that the Krafts can't sell more than 40,000 tickets to any single event held at the stadium?
 
Re: Site in Hub top choice for a soccer stadium

This could probably be dropped in the Boston 2024 thread as well.

‘We’re not for sale’ - Powerful interests circle site on Southie line

By Lauren Dezenski and Bill Forry
Nov. 19, 2014


The 16-acre New Boston Food Market on the South Boston-Dorchester line, a vital cog in Boston’s food supply chain, is once again in the crosshairs of powerful redevelopment forces, despite the fact that its current occupants insist that their properties are not for sale.

Already furiously engaged in fighting against a proposal to site a $10 million trash transfer facility, merchants in Widett Circle and neighboring Newmarket are now facing an even more daunting and potentially existential threat in the form of dueling proposals to build massive sports stadiums on or near their land. Proponents of a bid to lure the 2024 Olympic Games to Boston have pitched the idea of reclaiming parts of Widett Circle for the site of a new Olympic Stadium.

This week, a report in the Boston Globe brought a new wrinkle: A plan from the formidable owner of the New England Patriots, Bob Kraft, to build a 28,000 seat soccer stadium for his Revolution team on city-owned land immediately adjacent to Widett Circle.

“All of these different scenarios concern us,” said Sue Sullivan, the executive director of Newmarket Business Association, which includes New Boston Food Market. “Sometimes you feel like a pawn in somebody else’s chess game.”

There are already signs that negative reactions from the current owners is having an impact.

Michael Vaughan, a former BRA staffer who advises the 20-plus businesses who comprise the New Boston Food Market, says that the merchants have been dismayed to learn of the potential redevelopment of the area for the proposed transfer station, the Olympic bid— and more recently, the Kraft plans for a soccer stadium— from news reports.

Vaughan says that concerns raised by New Boston merchants in recent weeks have resulted in positive, conciliatory meetings with John Fish, the chairman of the Boston 2024 Committee— and with senior members of the Walsh administration, including one of the mayor’s senior aides, Jerome Smith. Both Fish and Smith visited the New Boston group on consecutive days in late October to speak directly to the owners of Widett Circle businesses.

“John Fish apologized to the group and committed that they would be part of the process going forward,” said Vaughan. “The mayor’s message was also clear: That he has their back and that Widett Circle will be part of the conversation going forward.”

Vaughan said that this week’s Globe story outlining the Kraft family’s interest in building a soccer stadium adjacent to Widett Circle on land presently used as a City of Boston tow and public works yard, was yet another surprise development.

“No one from New Boston has heard from anybody about the [Kraft] soccer stadium idea,” said Vaughan.

“There is this myth out there somehow that this property is for sale,” said Vaughan. “It’s not for sale. It’s hasn’t been for sale. These are businesses that employ 700 people in good jobs that are year-round jobs that are vital to the food industry in the city of Boston.”

Marion Kaiser, owner of Aquanor Marketing Inc. in New Boston Food Market, called the proposed Widett Circle stadium location a technical “slip-up” by Boston 2024 organizers. In fact, she says, the Olympic stadium — and the smaller, more recent Kraft plan — both would displace the city of Boston’s tow and sand lots adjacent to Widett Circle. The city-owned sites are accessible along the Frontage Road that wind along Interstate 93.

“If it’s compatible and doesn’t displace jobs, then we’re willing to listen,” Sullivan said of any potential stadiums. “It’s too early to say whether we’d be opposed or in favor. It’s really just what we’re watching carefully.”

A more immediate concern for existing businesses has been a controversial plan by Celtic Recycling to build a new trash transfer station at 100 Widett Circle. Businesses opposing the plan say it is a bad fit in a neighborhood where a large majority of the city’s meats, fish, produce and other food stocks are stored and processed.

“For the businesses at Widett Circle, we own our land, we own our buildings, our mortgages are paid off, we’re happy. We don’t want or need to move,” Kaiser said. “We’re in a nice spot, and right now, our only real threat is that we don’t feel we in any way can coexist with a neighboring waste facility.”

Kaiser reiterated that the city has since reached out to New Boston to acknowledge that “they know we’re here,” she said, but “the city of Boston cannot respond to this proposal until and unless they [Celtic Recycling] file for a permit.”

On Tuesday night, the Polish Triangle’s McCormack Civic Association reaffirmed their membership in a coalition of civic and business groups opposed to the Celtic Recycling plan. The proposed facility at 100 Widett Circle would process 1,500 tons of construction and demolition debris daily, as well as single stream recycling of cardboard, newspapers, cans, and bottles within a 55,000 square-foot former blast freezing facility.

“The vote was to assure McCormack has the information about this project and a seat at the table to discuss impacts to our community,” McCormack executive board member Desmond Rohan said after the meeting.

The task force, led by Sullivan, has organized resistance by bringing the concerns of existing Widett Circle businesses— many of them food processing plants in the New Boston Food Market business park— to the meetings of Dorchester and South Boston civic associations.

This fall, Dorchester’s Columbia-Savin Hill Civic Association grappled with the question of whether to join the task force, leading to fiery exchanges between Celtic Recycling and task force members. Columbia-Savin Hill deferred their vote until the civic group’s next meeting on Dec. 1.

Celtic Recycling, for their part, is adamant that should the Olympic stadium come to Widett Circle, the facility will pair well with their trash transfer site, which will process construction materials, as well as single stream recycling.

“We feel that we can coexist down there with them. If the time does come that they decide to take that land to build a stadium,” Celtic CEO Susie Chin told the Reporter on November 3. “We will be hopefully up and running so we can help them with processing. When they build, we’re there again. And when the Olympics are up and running, all the single stream recycling? We can help with that.”

On Tuesday, the city of Boston’s chief of economic development John Barros offered remarks about the potential for a stadium in the Widett Circle area following a speech he gave to a meeting of the Boston Irish Business Association.

“I’m a soccer fan, but I need to make sure that this thing works for the city,” said Barros, who noted that Kraft is “very involved in the 2024 bid.”

Barros indicated that the Walsh administration’s posture to the Boston committee’s proposal— now under review by a team that will choose a US finalist for the Olympic consideration— is open-minded.

“We can ask the question all day of whether Boston can host the games,” Barros said. “Of course we can. We just have to be able to plan for it the right way. In cities like Vancouver, Barcelona, London that have been good at planning, it’s been a success. It’s in the places that struggled to plan that it’s been a disaster. The only way to do it responsibly is to plan.”

“We have a committee that are doing an excellent job in pitching the city,” said Barros, who stressed that no public funds have been— or will be— expended in the campaign to bring the Olympic games to Boston.

In regards to the businesses and jobs in Widett Circle, Barros said that the Walsh administration would be committed to keeping those manufacturers and jobs in the city.

Dorchester Reporter
 
Re: Site in Hub top choice for a soccer stadium

It's amazing to me that the Olympic Exploratory Committee has been keeping business interests, which would be greatly affected by their site proposals, out of the loop. It's really bad form and bad politics.
 

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