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Any update since the City Council hearing?
 
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I'm skeptical about the city dealing land to Bob Kraft.... is it really going to be fair market value? At least with private land holders you know it will be
 
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dshoost88 said:
Any update since the City Council hearing?
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It was reportedly about the logistics of moving the city services off of the site to enable it to be sold. Hearing wasn't actually about selling the parcel itself.

Suffolk 83 said:
I'm skeptical about the city dealing land to Bob Kraft.... is it really going to be fair market value? At least with private land holders you know it will be
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Uh, this is Marty Walsh we're talking about...
 
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JohnAKeith said:
Today's hearing (all 1 hour, 22 minutes ..)
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Thanks for posting that. My immediate takeaway is that there's no way they're just going to up and say "we have a deal with the Krafts". Way too much process for that. Study of operational alternatives, RFP, negotiating the price... it will be 6-12 months before the RFP hits the streets and this group of councilors doesn't sound like they'll let go of the property without a bidding war.
 
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The price they get for this property has to pay the costs of building a new facility(ies) somewhere else. I didn't watch the hearing, but I assume that the city has identified potential city-owned site(s) elsewhere on which to build the new replacement facility(ies).

This particular parcel is not desirable for residential -- given the highways on one side and the railroad/subway tracks on the other. A few blocks further north illustrates what gets built residentially when housing is sited butt-end up to this major highway grid.

If they had decked over the tracks as proposed for the Olympics, then this parcel becomes more interesting and valuable. Otherwise, not.
 
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Can someone summarize this please? Is it all of the city property (tow lot, dpw yard, etc)?
 
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350 to 375 feet by FAA map.

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This site was the part of the South Bay, and is thus filled land.

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It is to the right and just below the "F" in Fort Point. Some/much of the site was filled about 50 years prior by Cyrus Alger, who proceeded to build a gun works and large foundry.

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By 1910, according to this map, the site was a very large rail yard for the Old Colony RR.
http://www.historicmapworks.com/Map/US/6521/Plate+030/Boston+1910+South+Boston/Massachusetts/

How far below the surface bedrock lies is not revealed by Google. (Anecdotally, MIT had to drive hundreds of columns 150 feet to bedrock to support its addition to its central utility plant.) The extent of contamination caused by previous uses is likely to be high.

A future use that relies on cover and cap what lies beneath may be, from a development standpoint, the most economical re-use.
 
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I personally would love this site to connect south boston better with South End.

The interstate above makes this a bit difficult, but the relative success of the Ink Underground gives me hope.

I also hope this gives a shot in the arm to the South Bay Harbor trail which has promised (for years) to connect lower roxbury through melnea cass to the harbor trail.

With the frontage road next to the south end exchange side, I can even imagine a dedicated bus lane here.
 
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stellarfun said:
The price they get for this property has to pay the costs of building a new facility(ies) somewhere else. I didn't watch the hearing, but I assume that the city has identified potential city-owned site(s) elsewhere on which to build the new replacement facility(ies).

This particular parcel is not desirable for residential -- given the highways on one side and the railroad/subway tracks on the other. A few blocks further north illustrates what gets built residentially when housing is sited butt-end up to this major highway grid.

If they had decked over the tracks as proposed for the Olympics, then this parcel becomes more interesting and valuable. Otherwise, not.
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$160 million to relocate is what I read:

https://twitter.com/JohnAKeith/status/1035242922747326464
 
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mass88 said:
Which means this location is a non-starter for the stadium. The Stadium itself will cost well north of $100 million, this would mean the Revs stadium would be the most expensive in MLS history.
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Not so. DC United's stadium cost at least $400 million for 20,000 seats.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/sports/dc-united-stadium/

Further from a subway stop than the Frontage Rd. site. About 3,700 parking spaces but none of these were built as part of the stadium.
 
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And if you add up all the money we've saved in GAM, TAM & salaries from not buying quality players & DPs for a zillion years, then $100 mil isn't so hard to swallow.
 
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And of course, whatever Kraft builds will almost certainly be a year-round money-maker. I'd eat my hat if he's only planning on building a stadium and parking lots--there will be Patriot Place-like development included as well. The $100M+ will be an investment, not merely a purchase price.
 
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mass88 said:
Damn, over $400 million for an MLS stadium is insane.
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Some of the $400+ million is land costs. The District of Columbia used eminent domain to secure about two acres at a cost of $15+ million plus per acre.

https://wtop.com/dc/2018/06/akridge...ain-case-heres-how-much-d-c-will-have-to-pay/

The District of Columbia owns the land under the stadium and receives rent. The term of the lease is 30 years.

https://dmped.dc.gov/dmped.dc.gov/page/soccer-stadium-transaction-details-and-documents-0
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https://goo.gl/maps/xpZUKiFfZPL2

https://goo.gl/maps/Q9yD6gmywaz

https://goo.gl/maps/jVSGvnzuAD12

^^^This is the stadium site before construction.
 
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