Northern Avenue Bridge Fort Point Channel

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commerce_Clause

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navigable_servitude

This has been settled law for almost 200 years.

You either need to do your homework more dilligently, or cultivate your sources a little more carefully, or both, whigh....its not about the postmark vs. the content ... with respect for your enthusiasm and congeniality ... its just that a lot of the 'content' you offer is just poorly informed and poorly thought through
 
From http://the-bac.edu/Documents/Depart...C 194 Northern Avenue Bridge Study Report.pdf

The role of Northern Avenue Bridge as a resource on the historic Boston waterfront has been under examination since the 1970s, when the U.S. Coast Guard claimed the old Northern Avenue Bridge was an obstruction to navigable waters and the City of Boston proposed a replacement for Northern Avenue Bridge. In 1977, Massachusetts Historical Commission reviewed a proposal for replacement of Northern Avenue Bridge and requested
a historic preservation plan from the City of Boston.

...from there, the project rapidly descended into the fubar/snafu/(incoming!!/outgoing)/revolving door/bureaucratic nightmare we have today.....
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fify. Debris meets the sea. It's too late to throw them in jail.
 
So between this fiasco and the Long Island bridge, basically what we have learned is that the City of Boston should NEVER be allowed to own/manage a bridge.
 
CSTH said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commerce_Clause

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navigable_servitude

This has been settled law for almost 200 years.

You either need to do your homework more dilligently, or cultivate your sources a little more carefully, or both, whigh....its not about the postmark vs. the content ... with respect for your enthusiasm and congeniality ... its just that a lot of the 'content' you offer is just poorly informed and poorly thought through
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CSTH -- I'll be happy to compare my sources to yours on matters relative to the individual, local government and state government versus an all-powerful National Government

Thankfully -- very thankfully after several decades the pendulum is beginning to start swinging back -- let's pick up the discussion in about 30 days after some dust settles in DC
 
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Good idea. I also wish everyone on ArchBoston a happy holiday. This is a great website with a lot of interesting, creative people contributing to it. Have a great time this holiday season with your families and friends. You deserve it!
 
Re: Old Northern Ave Bridge

Equilibria said:
I'm putting this here because I want it to go here...

http://www.bostonglobe.com/business...opping-park/mftMRG8qhcKjtMqPY12nyI/story.html

Great potential funding source for a car-free bridge.
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I hope that the city &/or private interests (GE) pay to turn Old Northern Ave Bridge into a pedestrian paradise. I want the Trustees to take on the dry dock (and apparently so does the Globe as they hardly touched on any of the other locations). The dry dock would make a relatively large open space and give new life to the area.
 
Re: Old Northern Ave Bridge

Equilibria said:
I'm putting this here because I want it to go here...http://www.bostonglobe.com/business...opping-park/mftMRG8qhcKjtMqPY12nyI/story.html Great potential funding source for a car-free bridge.
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I'm all for the TofR building a park, but don't let that slow/reduce the pressure on the City to build the car-free bridge from its own funds.

Don't forget that a big element of the "corporate giveaway" to GE was actually Boston and the State committing to spend $100m on a pedestrian northern avenue bridge and $25m in street/bike/water improvements that they'd already also promised at various times to various people in the past.

To quote Joan Venochi at the time:
At GE’s request, Boston has already committed to spend up to $100 million to replace the Northern Avenue Bridge. The state...$25 million in "Commonwealth-financed improvements to streets, transit, bikeways, and water transportation service."
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Its all a bit crazy: When expedient, politicians pretend to shower GE with unexpected gifts and they pretend to insist on them, and at other times, Boston promises regular Seaport folks that it is rebuilding the bridge for them.

And then all pretend that the glacial pace of actually building the bridge is acceptable, and we all pretend to be surprised that it takes so long.
 
Re: dry dock park

What exactly is the argument against restoring the dry dock's functionality as a working dry dock, and / or building a new, bigger dry dock immediately to the east of it?
 
Its funny that 2 years ago the Coast Guard sent a letter saying the bridge was in immediate danger of collapsing. 2 years go by. Nothing has been done.
 
https://www.bostonglobe.com/busines...enue-bridge/lmEDxjihXhevIz0j2WeqWI/story.html

"The City of Boston has come up with this concept: an elevated, steel-truss bridge with dedicated lanes for pedestrians, bicyclists, and cars. The fixed span could be covered, and piers could be built to extend over the water. Cafes, shops, and public art could also line the bridge, one that night be a modern version of Florence’s Ponte Vecchio.

Just as important is Mayor Marty Walsh’s commitment of $46 million in the capital budget to rehabilitate and redevelop the bridge, which had connected the South Boston Waterfront to the Financial District until it fell into such disrepair that it had to be closed in 2014."
 
Just as important is Mayor Marty Walsh’s commitment of $46 million in the capital budget to rehabilitate and redevelop the bridge, which had connected the South Boston Waterfront to the Financial District, which was systematically neglected by the City of Boston Public Works Department for decades, until it had to be closed in 2014.

FTFY


crawform said:
https://www.bostonglobe.com/busines...enue-bridge/lmEDxjihXhevIz0j2WeqWI/story.html

"The City of Boston has come up with this concept: an elevated, steel-truss bridge with dedicated lanes for pedestrians, bicyclists, and cars. The fixed span could be covered, and piers could be built to extend over the water. Cafes, shops, and public art could also line the bridge, one that night be a modern version of Florence’s Ponte Vecchio.

Just as important is Mayor Marty Walsh’s commitment of $46 million in the capital budget to rehabilitate and redevelop the bridge, which had connected the South Boston Waterfront to the Financial District until it fell into such disrepair that it had to be closed in 2014."
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Calling it now: This bridge will be to the Ponte Vecchio what the Greenway is to La Rambla (or was it the High Line... either way...)
 
crawform said:
https://www.bostonglobe.com/busines...enue-bridge/lmEDxjihXhevIz0j2WeqWI/story.html

"The City of Boston has come up with this concept: an elevated, steel-truss bridge with dedicated lanes for pedestrians, bicyclists, and cars. The fixed span could be covered, and piers could be built to extend over the water. Cafes, shops, and public art could also line the bridge, one that night be a modern version of Florence’s Ponte Vecchio.

Just as important is Mayor Marty Walsh’s commitment of $46 million in the capital budget to rehabilitate and redevelop the bridge, which had connected the South Boston Waterfront to the Financial District until it fell into such disrepair that it had to be closed in 2014."
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I read the Shirley Leung piece last night but could not find anywhere on bostonplans.org any updates. From her commentary, there is an implication that the city has settled on a direction:

The City of Boston has come up with this concept: an elevated, steel-truss bridge with dedicated lanes for pedestrians, bicyclists, and cars. The fixed span could be covered, and piers could be built to extend over the water.....

The city’s concept for a new Northern Avenue Bridge follows years of public discussions, including a design competition in 2016 run by the city and the Boston Society of Architects. There seems to be something for everyone in the city’s vision, from increasing transportation options to preserving parts of the 1908 bridge.
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The Ponte Vecchio doesn't have cars on it!

There is NO good reason to put cars back on this bridge. This City's planning is a disgrace.
 
reverend_paco said:
I read the Shirley Leung piece last night but could not find anywhere on bostonplans.org any updates. From her commentary, there is an implication that the city has settled on a direction:
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It's probably DPW, not the BPDA. And just because there are plans doesn't mean they are public. Sigh.
 
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