Plan Nubian Square Parcel P-3 (née Tremont Crossing) | Roxbury

it was a bold, iconic project for the neighborhood before the 90' buzzcut of the two main towers.

reduced to good urban ballast. no stunning. bland and par. too much retail space, far fewer units, much fewer affordable units, and no 'hey a new' hotel for Roxbury.

it'll get Board approval next month.
 
Those are going to look as dated in time as brutalist apartment buildings do today. I'm all for new development here but considering what's already there the area is turning out to have a pretty forgettable future.
 
vanshnookenraggen said:
Those are going to look as dated in time as brutalist apartment buildings do today. I'm all for new development here but considering what's already there the area is turning out to have a pretty forgettable future.
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The outdoor mall is straight out of LA.
 
The outdoor mall is straight out of LA.
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I like it though it's likely impractical in the winter... we'll see. Not sure I get the other criticisms - seems like a fine totally fine development for the area.
 
vanshnookenraggen said:
Those are going to look as dated in time as brutalist apartment buildings do today. I'm all for new development here but considering what's already there the area is turning out to have a pretty forgettable future.
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I feel the same about a lot of the condos I see in southie. A lot are good probably even more are absolutely horrendous.
 
meddlepal said:
I like it though it's likely impractical in the winter... we'll see. Not sure I get the other criticisms - seems like a fine totally fine development for the area.
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I guess the question I have is where is the line between outdoor mall vs just having street level retail/commercial space with housing on top (like any nice city has)? I kind of put the line myself in the context of where it is. Assembly/Legacy Place get the outdoor mall as they are more in their own little worlds, but I would thing this is connected enough to things that that wouldn't be really true...
 
Ohhh that's what you meant with the war zone post - you were there?
 
I'm as disappointed as everyone about the height reduction, but if the most recent renders a few posts back are accurate, this is still a massive, massive development - for any area, let alone here. Hopefully, they will restore as much connectivity as they can to knit this area to Dudley and help in the revitalization of the area...
 
lol any soros-financed "paid protesters"?

Jk
 
FK4 said:
I'm as disappointed as everyone about the height reduction, but if the most recent renders a few posts back are accurate, this is still a massive, massive development - for any area, let alone here. Hopefully, they will restore as much connectivity as they can to knit this area to Dudley and help in the revitalization of the area...
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(Emphasis mine) I completely agree with this sentiment, but am curious how they'd do this, with the school and ball fields behind it. If they do redevelop the Whittier projects it would be nice if Ruggles Street became a better connection, though that might require development of both sides of the street. But if that were to ever happen I could see Ruggles street becoming a nice zone connecting the Ruggles Station and Dudley station.
 
i also expect it to be a good while for construction permitting and digging. Tremont Crossing was approved with some warts. There will be some additional bumps to smooth over before final permission to build is granted.

The afternoon began with the Harbor Plan getting pushed through rather calmly. Don Chiofaro Jr, and Chiofaro Co Counsel Rob Caridad passed into the elevator (getting the hell out of there) just as things started getting rowdy. Then the crowd began pouring in, jamming up the 9th Floor, through the early proceedings for the JP/Rox master plan.

Tito Jackson marched in and seized the moment to make his latest big push for mayor, slamming developers, greedy landlords, the Building Dept, the process and of course, Mayor Walsh. What a spectacle. Tito's extravaganza got the crowd whipped into something bordering on an angry mob.

Over a period of about 90 minutes it got hot! The proceedings were interrupted about 7 times. Lots of profanity laced tirades. More than a dozen people had to be escorted from the room by BPD, including several, completely from the building. Chairman Burke, and the BPDA pressenters displayed a lot of professionality, patience and poise through tirade after tirade. Burke had to suspend the proceedings for 20 minutes. The crowd started in with their long Manson chants. Finally, when the JP/Rox plan was approved, but it would be a good while longer before things began to calm down.

The BPDA wants the P3 development team to make nice with the angry neighbors and the TITO.... and be willing to make additional concessions. "And when everybody is happy...." wtf??

Well, the opposition was good. They made so many sad, hardship cases. What they keep forget; is by knocking off 90 feet from each tower, they gave up scores (over 100?) more affordable units. The opposition put up a great sob story. Had the BPDA in a retreat. After nearly 4 hours we got to Ted Landsmark commenting, "we're approving this project under great duress..... Frankly, on many aspects of this project we're just not there yet..... But the time has come for this to move forward."

Flummoxed? This is neighbor vs neighbor spilling over into Roxbury's construction. The JP/Rox master plans, Dudley Square and Roxbury Crossing projects could cause so much political opposition, Tito could very well ride a tide of anger and make the mayoral election very interesting.

But, there is also a lot of support for construction, including more than enough last evening from community elders and other wise folk... Support to oppositon was about 2:1. Testimony took many hours, including some rebuttals from the developer's staff.

Jmo, hoping we see the project under construction after not too much extra time; a few months few more meetings, and a few additional concessions, the anger to calm down, and activists moving on to the next project. If there are no lawsuits; maybe we see the digging in 12-24 months.
 
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Thanks for the play by play. Sad state of affairs: if you don't invest in Roxbury you're a racist segregationist, if you do invest you're a greedy capitalist vampire preying on innocents, there is no winning with such childish mindsets.

As to the project I'd love to see it happen but it's likelier this can will be kicked down the road for a long time yet (in addition to all the time that has already gone by). Again, a sad state of affairs.
 
Deetroyt said:
(Emphasis mine) I completely agree with this sentiment, but am curious how they'd do this, with the school and ball fields behind it. If they do redevelop the Whittier projects it would be nice if Ruggles Street became a better connection, though that might require development of both sides of the street. But if that were to ever happen I could see Ruggles street becoming a nice zone connecting the Ruggles Station and Dudley station.
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I personally hope they don't redevelop the Whittier project. The city needs low income housing and we all know if it gets redevelop, it will be at a price not affordable for those who belong in that income bracket.
 
KentXie said:
I personally hope they don't redevelop the Whittier project. The city needs low income housing and we all know if it gets redevelop, it will be at a price not affordable for those who belong in that income bracket.
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What? Low-income housing is always replaced 1-for-1 plus market rate units in all redevelopment schemes across the city.
 
KentXie said:
I personally hope they don't redevelop the Whittier project. The city needs low income housing and we all know if it gets redevelop, it will be at a price not affordable for those who belong in that income bracket.
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The Whittier Street development was just awarded a $30 million HUD revitalization grant.
 
odurandina said:
i also expect it to be a good while for construction permitting and digging. Tremont Crossing was approved with some warts. There will be some additional bumps to smooth over before final permission to build is granted.

The afternoon began with the Harbor Plan getting pushed through rather calmly. Don Chiofaro Jr, and Chiofaro Co Counsel Rob Caridad passed into the elevator (getting the hell out of there) just as things started getting rowdy. Then the crowd began pouring in, jamming up the 9th Floor, through the early proceedings for the JP/Rox master plan.

Tito Jackson marched in and seized the moment to make his latest big push for mayor, slamming developers, greedy landlords, the Building Dept, the process and of course, Mayor Walsh. What a spectacle. Tito's extravaganza got the crowd whipped into something bordering on an angry mob.

Over a period of about 90 minutes it got hot! The proceedings were interrupted about 7 times. Lots of profanity laced tirades. More than a dozen people had to be escorted from the room by BPD, including several, completely from the building. Chairman Burke, and the BPDA pressenters displayed a lot of professionality, patience and poise through tirade after tirade. Burke had to suspend the proceedings for 20 minutes. The crowd started in with their long Manson chants. Finally, when the JP/Rox plan was approved, but it would be a good while longer before things began to calm down.

The BPDA wants the P3 development team to make nice with the angry neighbors and the TITO.... and be willing to make additional concessions. "And when everybody is happy...." wtf??

Well, the opposition was good. They made so many sad, hardship cases. What they keep forget; is by knocking off 90 feet from each tower, they gave up scores (over 100?) more affordable units. The opposition put up a great sob story. Had the BPDA in a retreat. After nearly 4 hours we got to Ted Landsmark commenting, "we're approving this project under great duress..... Frankly, on many aspects of this project we're just not there yet..... But the time has come for this to move forward."

Flummoxed? This is neighbor vs neighbor spilling over into Roxbury's construction. The JP/Rox master plans, Dudley Square and Roxbury Crossing projects could cause so much political opposition, Tito could very well ride a tide of anger and make the mayoral election very interesting.

But, there is also a lot of support for construction, including more than enough last evening from community elders and other wise folk... Support to oppositon was about 2:1. Testimony took many hours, including some rebuttals from the developer's staff.

Jmo, hoping we see the project under construction after not too much extra time; a few months few more meetings, and a few additional concessions, the anger to calm down, and activists moving on to the next project. If there are no lawsuits; maybe we see the digging in 12-24 months.
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With all due respect, what exactly is Tito & company's opposition? Is it simply not enough affordable housing? Gentrification of the neighborhood? I may be incredibly naive, but it wasn't that long ago that this was an extremely dangerous area. The rank and file of the community should certainly desire for safe streets, and this project would most certainly advance that.
 
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