Reasonable Transit Pitches

Has the T ever considered an infill stop on the Red Line between North Quincy and JFK/UMass? I've been thinking recently that there could probably be a fairly well-used stop on Morrissey Boulevard, where there is currently a Dunkin' Donuts and Subway. There may have formerly been a rail stop of some sort there in the past, but not for the Red Line and not recently.

The rail stop would be where the marker is. North Quincy is visible to the south and Savin Hill to the north. Ashmont line and Fairmount line are to the west.
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That would really only work with a large upzoning of Morrissey Blvd. The catchment area for such a station would be 50% water so it doesn't seem like a worth while investment when people can just take the bus to Fields Corner as it is. I feel like given traffic as it is any larger scale development would face push back even with a new transit station.
 
Is there a reason why needham heights and the fairnount line cant be exclusively used for dmus?
 
Needham Line needs to be converted to Orange + Green Line extensions, not DMUs. It takes up slots on the NEC that could otherwise be used by Amtrak, Providence/Stoughton, or Franklin Line trains. The stop spacing is so tight that it's not ideal for even DMUs. At 27 minutes from West Roxbury and 41 from Needham Center, travel times are so poor that Orange and Green would be equally fast, and rapid transit would provide much higher frequencies all day. A lot of in-demand trips like Roslindale-FH, Roslindale-WR, Needham-Newton, and Needham Heights-Needham Junction that are currently shitty bus rides and/or extremely infrequent CR that would suddenly become fast and easy. Needham in particularly is laid out parallel to the existing line - that just begs for rapid transit.

Fairmount-turning service could be converted to DMUs. Have to be FRA compliant though - as F-Line has explained previously, there is too much mixing with other lines and with freight to have non-compliant DMUs. Plus it's going to be get a lot more through trains to Franklin (which will always need loco-hauled 6-packs of bilevels) into order to free up NEC slots.
 
The NEC chokepoint also caps Needham's frequencies at current pathetic levels, so you'd never be able to run the line often enough to classify it as an Indigo branch. It may not ever be able to gain more weekday frequencies than it has now. The rush-hour trains already overstuff 5 cars because demand is fast outpacing frequency. And a dinky pinging back and forth between Heights and Forest Hills at high frequency won't work because Forest Hills terminal is too overstuffed to begin with thanks to all those transferring bus crowds. All of that route duplication down Washington St. before the local Rozzie and W. Rox routes can fan out is straining FH's ability to cope.

The only real solution is a network recalibration. If a Phase I start gets Orange +1'd to Rozzie Sq. alongside a still-active Needham Line on the 3-track portion of the ROW, it un-chokes FH by letting the 30, 35, 36, and 37 start terminating at Rozzie Sq. instead of getting stuck in Washington traffic and slamming FH. Do that at least during peak periods when FH and lower Washington are in most desperate need for a throttle and the congestion and all-modes OTP difference will be enormous throughout the whole area. Then when it comes time to do the wholesale rapid transit replacement you can redraw the whole bus map because the 35, 36, and 37 no longer have to duplicate the whole corridor to W. Rox. Trade in the freed-up 35 and 36 route miles by sending them further into Dedham out of a W. Rox terminus. Restructure the 52 between future Newton Corner Indigo station, Newton Centre on the D, and future W. Rox-Orange as a higher-frequency radial route. Stuff like that. In turn, the network-spreading frees up Forest Hills to accept much greater frequencies from all other directions.

In Needham, it's the painfully bogged-down 59 bus paralleling the entire Needham Branch ROW to the D Line split at Newton Highlands that ends up the network reliever. Needham's natural local travel pattern orientation is north-south to Newton, not east-west across the Cutler Park dead zone. The 59 is so laughably inadequate for station-to-station service it's a big reason why Highland Ave. is the carpocalypse it is. Being able to supplant the south half of that route with light rail then frees up the north half from Newton Highlands to Newtonville (future Indigo) and Watertown as another quasi-crosstown circulator like the repurposed 52. And also frees up some possibilities for an east-west route down Kendrick (maybe W. Rox, follow the 52, turn down Nahanton + Kendrick, cross Needham Heights, terminate Babson College at the Wellesley town line).

^^This^^ is the promise in all of that. It's got way bigger network coattails than just the dead-obvious upside of rapid transit to the neighborhoods. And it's not something you can replicate with Indigo because either the slots aren't there on the NEC, or a Forest Hills dinky doesn't do nearly enough to bail out the over-capacity terminal from becoming a chokepoint.



Since those bumbling NEC FUTURE clods seems intent to destroy commuter rail frequencies everywhere it goes, instead of unilaterally declaring that Needham and Franklin have their limbs cut off and the SW Corridor be senselessly blown up for a kajillion-dollars' worth of add-a-track re-tunneling, they can save a shitload of money and violent opposition by doing the duh-obvious. Cut a check for 50/50 match funding on the Needham rapid transit conversion + second-wave Fairmount/Indigo performance enhancements package (electrification?) that purges Franklin permanently off the NEC. Net result: same HSR capacity gains, >$1B lower cost, orders-of-magnitude transit network gains locally instead of letting some outside dictator carve a transit loss path of devastation through west/southwest Greater Boston, and happy instead of (justifiably!) apoplectic citizenry. That's probably the pivot move MA presents to them after our Congressional delegation rips them a few new orifices like CT Sen. Blumenthal just did this week in a Senate hearing over the horrifyingly destructive Shoreline bypass through New London County.
 
Trolleybus Pitch

Utilize the Watertown Yard as a trolleybus layover and shop facility. Wire up the 57 for sure, as it has a power source to tap into already. Extend the 57 from the yard to Watertown Square. Either wire up 74 (eliminate the jog down Blanchard and Bright) and 75 or, should a Belmont shit fit ensue, just wire up the entire length of the 77. Also, with the newly repurposed Watertown Yard, get some 60ft trolleybuses.
 
Trolleybus Pitch

Utilize the Watertown Yard as a trolleybus layover and shop facility. Wire up the 57 for sure, as it has a power source to tap into already. Extend the 57 from the yard to Watertown Square. Either wire up 74 (eliminate the jog down Blanchard and Bright) and 75 or, should a Belmont shit fit ensue, just wire up the entire length of the 77. Also, with the newly repurposed Watertown Yard, get some 60ft trolleybuses.

Watertown was a site alternative for the T's Bus Facilities Strategic Plan for anchoring the west end of the system with a singular headquarters. The original study favored Riverside by a hair, but that was a long time and a lot of TOD building ago at so if revisited Watertown is almost certainly going to be their choice today. Mostly with diesel storage replacing the current parking at the carhouse, but also with a big revamp of the shop. Those kinds of upgrades go hand-in-hand with a larger 71 layover so all flavors benefit.


Doubt massive expansion of the TT's is going to be anyone's idea of a priority so 57 and 74 might be too big an ask right now. But extension of the 71 to Newton Corner has been an occasionally discussed real proposal with very low price tag thanks to the ex- A-line power feed under Galen St. It would be contingent on some movement on the Indigo Line w/ stop at NC, but extending the 71 there is as no-brainer as it gets if that indeed happens. Figure this:

-- If the Pike WB had a new interchange grafted on at Birmingham Pkwy. rotary to direct Watertown traffic away from Newton Corner and onto underutilized Nonantum and N. Beacon, you could probably safely lane-drop Galen and re-stripe it with proper bus lanes the whole length. Traffic load with the additional Brighton exit would be more or less halved through Newton Corner to just the EB direction and local Newton traffic.

-- The transit cutover to Harvard from Newton is an attractive prospect for people coming into NC from western outskirts of Newton and for regular Worcester Line commuter locals that may make a stop at the NC infill. Optimize the 71 well enough and it's arguably faster than going to South Station and transferring to Red.

-- Mt. Auburn would benefit greatly from a revamped layout: lane-drop it from the Belmont St. split at the Cambridge line to H2O Sq. in favor of bus/bike lanes, and audit the stop spacing to see if any tweaks further help the flow. Possibly build in 2 or 3 side turnouts so 71 express patterns can overtake 71 locals. That "71E" is where the Newton Corner and Watertown bus terminals get better bound together, and where that cutover to Harvard from the Worcester Line can deliver on its time savings.



If the Alewife busways ever get built to Mass Ave., extending the 77A wires into Alewife station makes a ton of sense. Would make for an even split of the 77A and 79 routes at Alewife, which might free up the 77 for some judicious stop consolidation to speed it up while the other two take on a more hyper-local role. Might need a slight upgrade of Porter substation, but that would not be expensive at all to string up.

Could possibly even close North Cambridge garage, tuck a small amount of storage at Alewife, and slap a couple of spot-repair garage bays a third the size of existing North Cambridge carhouse on the relatively useless Alewife front lawn next to the busway. Then divert heavy maint and all 71/72/73 storage to Watertown, and sell the rest of that valuable North Cambridge parcel for more development. Would be much more efficient to get out of that yardlet and realign ops at bigger terminals with bigger established staff bases.



As for the full 77...don't think wire extensions, think a second rebuilding of the Silver Line dual-modes when they're replaced by new Transitway vehicles, and power-switching at Alewife Brook Parkway. 2-1/4 emissions-free miles through Cambridge (which will hopefully have a heavily-reconfigured and better-flowing Mass Ave. through North Cambridge by this point) and only 3 miles on diesel (half of that on the heavily-reconfigured Arlington Mass Ave.). Plus the route gets its badly-needed infusion of 60-footers. 77A to Alewife + streamlining of the 77 stops + some lighter-duty repurposing of the Transitway 60-footers is the fastest, cheapest, most direct way to get a very major upgrade across the whole corridor.

I wouldn't even think about further wire extensions from there, because it's beyond the ability of what the existing 650V DC substations at Porter and Alewife can serve with minor in-situ upgrades. And the next-greatest enhancement to the 77 that is actually worth spending big money on is getting GLX from Union to Porter so trip from Arlington to downtown gets fabulously faster and more flexible. So if you're going to be building new substations, let it be for GLX first and foremost. Those 60-footer dual-modes switching at Route 16 do plenty in their own right at lowering costs and raising gate receipts if you just span the existing substations with an inexpensive 77A Alewife extension.
 
I read somewhere that the tunnels go further than Alewife into Arlington, for the train yard and to turn around. So depending on where they go I wonder if they could just dig a new station at some point in the future. The red line way supposed to go much further than it does but there was community backlash because the stations were going to be in the "bad" parts of town and they didn't want that image. So essentially a bunch of snobs from way back in the day thumbed their noses and screwed all the generations after them from having a reasonable transit option into the city. Good job.
 
I read somewhere that the tunnels go further than Alewife into Arlington, for the train yard and to turn around.
Its just a glorified tail track (no loop, just reverse), and it ends approximately at this fenced area on the Minuteman Trail.

So a tail-end station isn't reasonable. Instead you'd either have to keep going up the Minuteman to someplace near Arlington Center, or you'd have to tunnel a new alignment under the huge Route 2 hill.
 
I read somewhere that the tunnels go further than Alewife into Arlington, for the train yard and to turn around. So depending on where they go I wonder if they could just dig a new station at some point in the future. The red line way supposed to go much further than it does but there was community backlash because the stations were going to be in the "bad" parts of town and they didn't want that image. So essentially a bunch of snobs from way back in the day thumbed their noses and screwed all the generations after them from having a reasonable transit option into the city. Good job.

The tunnel ends in the middle of Thorndike Field just on the other side of Route 2 at this emergency exit shaft: https://goo.gl/maps/QgnnnA4gV2z. It'd take 1.2 miles of shallow cut-and-cover under the Minuteman--same type of construction as the Davis-Alewife segment under the Somerville Community Path--to reach an Arlington Center station. Tunnel would then have to extend 2000 ft. beyond AC to a portal behind the high school about 400 ft. past Mill St. The entire length of the tunnel dig the Minuteman would be restored on-top to its original appearance after construction.

You'd need to build all of the tunnel to the portal even if Arlington Center is the only station, simply because that's the equivalent length of tail track storage inside the tunnel as what currently exists at Alewife. If you're not going to Heights, the portal can just be fenced off as the emergency exit instead of shafting an egress straight up like in Thorndike Field. It would operate with 2 storage tail tracks behind the station, balanced with the #3 center pocket track between Alewife and Thorndike Field. Very tight storage margins, but doable at no-harm for a +1 extension.


It'd obviously be better to go the extra 1.3 miles on the surface beyond the portal to Arlington Heights and get a proper-size layover yard akin to Codman @ Ashmont behind the bus depot on the lumber yard property. For the most part the ROW is tree-buffered well enough that the Minuteman can be accommodated to the side unbroken. But it can only be done as a surface route because of adjacent Mill Brook. Won't be totally out-of-sight/out-of-mind like the tunneled Alewife-AC extension under the Minuteman. I guess if you want to sell that on a somewhat more willing 21st century Arlington it's best to play it close to vest one station at a time: the AC tunnel build to the portal w/ tail-track storage as the minimum fallback. And if there's no palpable anxiety, gently try to sell them on AH with the more robust permanent storage if that succeeds at not stirring up a hornet's nest.
 
They should create frequent ferry service between Chelsea and downtown. Would be alot faster than the silver line.
 
A Chelsea ferry would suffer from some of same problems as the Lynn Ferry did, especially that there's too much dead space between the city center and the waterfront. Commuter rail already serves the downtown area, with better frequency than a ferry can offer, ten minute travel to North Station, and less weather dependence. Those who value travel time over frequency are more likely to already be using the commuter rail, and those who value frequency may be using the 111. (The Silver Line will offer better connections to Eastie/Logan/Seaport/South Station than the 111, so there's not a total overlap).

My reasonable pitch for Chelsea: open some of the Market Basket to T park-and-ride use. There's very good access off Route 1, Market Basket is already 7am-9pm most days so the added cost of security for other hours would be small, and you could potentially get some cars off the Tobin and so on. The real win would be to convert some of the MB lot to structured parking and plop some real TOD on there.
 
A Lynn ferry and Chelsea ferry are not a good comparison

The distance between the Lynn Ferry and the Lynnway is comparable to the distance between a theoretical Chelsea Ferry and Winnisimmet Square. And that said, the Lynnway doesn't even offer much in the way of density, plus it isn't a human-scaled walk.

The theoretical Chelsea Ferry would also presumably be an Inner Harbor Ferry (Zone 1A/Link Pass fare).
 
To my mind the question is, chelsea and where else? I think either assembly or station landing, to winnisimet, and then (maybe) a redeveloped central square eastie, then south station / fan pier.

The classic knock on ferries is that you lose hald the catchment area to water, but because the inner harbor is so tentacled, and there are a bunch of coastline rapid transit stations, the potential exists to do a lot of cool stuff.
 
Ferries are expensive, low capacity, don't connect to transit, and few big destinations are on the water. Hence, they're a boondoggle on the East River in NYC. Here, where the blue line stops right along the water, as does the red at SS, and the Orange/Green at NS, you could see some value in it. Capacity will still be an issue as will cost. I also wonder about the distances needed to walk in Chelsea to the ferry terminal.
 
Ferries are expensive, low capacity, don't connect to transit, and few big destinations are on the water. Hence, they're a boondoggle on the East River in NYC. Here, where the blue line stops right along the water, as does the red at SS, and the Orange/Green at NS, you could see some value in it. Capacity will still be an issue as will cost. I also wonder about the distances needed to walk in Chelsea to the ferry terminal.
+1.

People are dazzled by the ferry's low startup costs and miss all the other challenges--and the Blue line (and even MGH) are not as close/convenient to the water's edge as they need to be for an easy connection. Partly it is that it's been too long since we've piled density right at the water's edge. Our land use favors roads (Storrow), aprons of parks (MGH), or limited height (seaport) at the water's edge, and so we don't quite have the density that NYC has at WTC that can make a ferry work.

Most of Boston is analogous to NYC's east river, where, unlike the hudson, there is not the network or the density at the ferry's endpoints.

Those connecting distances dock-to-transit (or North Station to Lovejoy) don't look all that much better than Wonderland dogtrack-to-Blue.
 
Here are the distances for selected major transit stations to the water's edge.

(For comparison, a red line platform is about 400 ft long.)

HARBOR:
Assembly: 450 ft.
North Station (Lovejoy via causeway): 600 ft
WTC: 750 ft.
South Station: 800 ft.
Maverick: 800 ft

CHARLES:
Science Park: 250 ft.
Charles / MGH: 600 ft.
BU West: 600 ft.
Kenmore: 850 ft.
Kendall: 900 ft.
Harvard: 1000 ft.

...obviously there's a lot lot lot more to the story, but its hard to claim with a straight face that there are no good opportunities to interface wit h the rest of the network
 
Here are the distances for selected major transit stations to the water's edge.

(For comparison, a red line platform is about 400 ft long.)

HARBOR:
Assembly: 450 ft.
North Station (Lovejoy via causeway): 600 ft
WTC: 750 ft.
South Station: 800 ft.
Maverick: 800 ft

CHARLES:
Science Park: 250 ft.
Charles / MGH: 600 ft.
BU West: 600 ft.
Kenmore: 850 ft.
Kendall: 900 ft.
Harvard: 1000 ft.

...obviously there's a lot lot lot more to the story, but its hard to claim with a straight face that there are no good opportunities to interface wit h the rest of the network

You are not going to get any practical ferries on the Charles. It is all a No Wake zone, so pretty much restricted to 5 knots max speed. Way to many sail craft and crew shells to make ferry service practical.
 
Those are misleading. In many cases, the nearest water is too shallow for boats, involves a lock or movable bridge (difficult to keep any reliable or speedy ferry schedule), or involves going around obstacles. Water taxis are a neat tourist thing, but they have too high cost-per-person for a real transit service.

Assembly is a 1600-foot walk from water unless an east-side access is built from the headhouse. North Station is 1000 feet from the subway entrances to the dock. South Station is 2000 feet from Rowes Wharf, the nearest wharf capable of handling an actual ferry. Maverick is a solid 1000 from the nearest entrance to the actual dock, and 1400 feet from the bus transfers. BU West is separated from the Charles by two rail lines and two expressways.

Assembly to anywhere is going to get blown away by the Orange Line. Anywhere on the Charles is, as noted, 5 mph any thus totally unable to compete with Red, Green, and the #1.

The actual practical places for ferries are where they can be fast, and other modes are either slow, roundabout, or require a lot of transfers. Long Wharf-Charlestown works because it's a fast alternative to a poorly served area. The Hingham, Hull, Salem, and Winthrop ferries work because they're fairly direct routes and are well-placed at their outer ends (a parking area reached opposite rush hour traffic at Hull, and decently dense and nice areas for the other three).

Maverick-Charlestown might work because it's currently horribly indirect. Lovejoy-Logan might work because it reduces two transfers to one on a known demand pattern. Almost anywhere else, you're better off spending the money to get superior bus services or other improvements to transit lines that benefit a lot more people.
 

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