Reasonable Transit Pitches

The water taxis would actually be more than a neat tourist thing if the fares were per trip like a land taxi rather than per rider like a transit vehicle. Maybe that kills their business model but splitting a $15 water taxi fare three ways from the Seaport to North Station is going to be a much better trip than splitting a $15 surging uber fare three ways for the privilege of being stuck in traffic. One of the new East Boston developments is subsidizing water taxi fares for their residents, I wonder how that's working for utilization.
 
Here's a "Reasonable Transit Pitch" and a 'What's Left to Build On?" wrapped up in one:

  • Paint separated Bus lanes along Mystic Ave in Medford
  • Re-brand the 95 bus as a Silver Line route
  • In the long run, improve this connection to Assembly. Maybe dig another pass under 93 connecting Rt 38 (in the area of the Stop & Shop) to Middlesex Ave (in the area of the former movie theater).
  • Upzone the crap out of Mystic Ave and let apartment developers go ham
That entire 1.2 mile stretch is lined with huge lots, many of them already vacant, calling out for redevelopment. I mean, look at this shot. And the north side of Mystic Ave backs up to 93, the Mystic Valley Parkway, and the Mystic River, so there are fewer neighbors to raise objections. I'd love to see 10-15 story apartment and condo buildings with ground floor retail pop up along that whole stretch.

Separated bus lanes would do more to diminish the feeling of Mystic Ave as a transit desert than they would to actually increase transit speed, but that's okay for now...
 
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Extend the blue line to Salem, also add a blue line spur between airport station and south station using the existing underground infrastructure for the silver line.
 
Extend the blue line to Salem, also add a blue line spur between airport station and south station using the existing underground infrastructure for the silver line.

You do realize that the Silver Line runs along the highway? There is no way the Blue Line can use this. Also since the ridership is much lower the Silver Line is a much more reasonable alternative to extending the Blue Line (to the Airport I mean).
 
You do realize that the Silver Line runs along the highway? There is no way the Blue Line can use this. Also since the ridership is much lower the Silver Line is a much more reasonable alternative to extending the Blue Line (to the Airport I mean).

I am now imagining having mix mode running of the Blue Line and automobile traffic in the Ted Williams tunnel. Amazing.
 
Here's a "Reasonable Transit Pitch" and a 'What's Left to Build On?" wrapped up in one:
  • Paint separated Bus lanes along Mystic Ave in Medford
  • Re-brand the 95 bus as a Silver Line route
  • In the long run, improve this connection to Assembly. Maybe dig another pass under 93 connecting Rt 38 (in the area of the Stop & Shop) to Middlesex Ave (in the area of the former movie theater).
  • Upzone the crap out of Mystic Ave and let apartment developers go ham
That entire 1.2 mile stretch is lined with huge lots, many of them already vacant, calling out for redevelopment. I mean, look at this shot. And the north side of Mystic Ave backs up to 93, the Mystic Valley Parkway, and the Mystic River, so there are fewer neighbors to raise objections. I'd love to see 10-15 story apartment and condo buildings with ground floor retail pop up along that whole stretch.

Separated bus lanes would do more to diminish the feeling of Mystic Ave as a transit desert than they would to actually increase transit speed, but that's okay for now...

Mystic Ave is insanely over-wide (like Rutherford Ave, its wideness dating from an era before I-93 and its current emptiness being caused by congestion at both ends but not in the middle) and needs both a bike plan (cyclists prefer it as a bypass around Somerville's biggest hills) and totally...an up grade to the 95 Bus.

Very reasonable.
 
I am now imagining having mix mode running of the Blue Line and automobile traffic in the Ted Williams tunnel. Amazing.

I'm aware of this. Add a new tunnel next to the Ted Williams. I think this a better red blue line connector because it serves the seaport too while a connector past Bowdoin wouldn't serve any new neighborhoods.

Probably should have put this in crazy transit pitches. A tunnel in Boston would cost 10x what it costs in every other agency in the country. While most places this would be a billion dollar project in Boston it would turn into a boondoggle.
 
I'm aware of this. Add a new tunnel next to the Ted Williams.
Sorry, but any pitch involving new harbor tunnel (with about 0.5mi under the harbor and another 0.5mi in tunneled approaches) must be off topic in the reasonable transit pitches.

There's no official definition, but a reasonable pitch is going to have the feel of an infill heavy rail station, a one-stop light rail surface extension, or painted bus lanes, structured parking, new fare collection, timed-meets at connecting hubs, or open gangway trains. Stuff like that. Affordable tweaks that leverage existing assets. [a Wonderland CR-BL station and moving walkway might also be reasonable]

The Red-Blue connector, were it not already on the table is about as extreme as a reasonable pitch can be (2000 feet of tunnel and a half a station). That it has not been built at the same time that they've rushed the Chelsea Silver Line from idea to completion hints at this breakpoint between reasonable (BRT on existing ROW) and crazy (tunnels!)
 
I'm aware of this. Add a new tunnel next to the Ted Williams. I think this a better red blue line connector because it serves the seaport too while a connector past Bowdoin wouldn't serve any new neighborhoods.

Probably should have put this in crazy transit pitches. A tunnel in Boston would cost 10x what it costs in every other agency in the country. While most places this would be a billion dollar project in Boston it would turn into a boondoggle.

I don't think it has most of the desirable effects of Red-Blue at MGH. The branches would have to be:

1) Bowdoin-SS via Logan and Seaport
2) Bowdoin-Wonderland

So all the people from Wood Island north don't have a Red-Blue connector at all. They also don't have a one-seat to the Seaport. The only people you've given a connector or Seaport access to are Maverick and Airport. They'd probably be better off with the double transfer or a walking transfer to Red instead of taking the long way around. The only real win is giving those two stations a one-seat to the Seaport. I don't think anyone would ride from downtown (Bow, GC, State, Aqu) to the Seaport that way.

If you branch the other way, you cut downtown headways in half which is a non-starter, I think. Plus Maverick (busy station) wouldn't get the Seaport one-seat.
 
I just think inadequate transportation in the seaport will hurt it in the coming years. With good transportation I could see dense development extending out to the tip of the reserve channel.

I dont think tunnels are crazy. Cities around the world complete them at much lower costs than it costs our city to put trolly tracks next to an existing right of way.

But yes in Boston any new tunnels are crazy boondoggles because the MBTA is run by inadequate management.

Anyhow with the blue line idea I was advocating for an increase in frequencies to allow for the line to run out to Salem. This would allow the maverick/downtown frequencys to stay the same while new seaport service is added.

The routes could be Salem to Maverick and Lynn to south station. And yes this is a crazy transit pitch, however Lynn is a dense city with horrible highway access and horrible transit access, it deserves better. Also would immensely add to the number of people with rapid transit access to Boston.
 
It's not going to be any sort of net-positive to the Blue Line to branch it. Branching depletes headways to destinations that formerly used to be mainline, and the parts of Eastie, Revere, and potentially Lynn that are served beyond the airport are growing too fast to be kneecapped like that.

This wouldn't be comparable at all to when the Red Line was branched to Quincy in 1971. Trains from Harvard to Ashmont ran 4-car max, and were frequently chopped back to 2-cars only off-peak. Headways tended to be throttled back well below line capacity off-peak as well. Ashmont has aggregately better transit now as a branch than it did 50 years ago when it was mainline because demand dictates the line can't doesn't run half-cocked at any time of day.

Demand on Blue and Orange have grown that way too. Blue's now 6 cars with expanded fleet, and Orange is getting expanded fleet to improve headways. Those mainlines are no longer going to run half-cocked, because demand end-to-end requires it. So introducing new branching becomes very destructive if it does anything to diffuse mainline-level service levels to these areas of growing demand. Airport spur is exactly what you DON'T want to do, because it sacks Eastie/Revere/(Lynn?) with service loss.

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Everybody else explained well enough why there can't be a transit line between South Station and Airport. The decision was made 25 years ago not to build a center transit bore with the Ted. It's now not possible with the connecting tunnels and whatnot on each end to go back and undo that mistake by adding an adjacent tunnel. Paths are now blocked. It's going to be SL1-only now and forever. Silver can share the Transitway with trolleys just fine, so the trolleys terminating at the Seaport and the airport buses terminating at South Station can always co-mingle just spiffy. But we have no means of replacing SL1 with a real rail line.

And we don't really need to, or spur Blue on the north side, because Urban Ring Phase II terminates at Logan station. A trolley can start its run at Silver Line Way, go inbound to SS, inbound to Boylston, outbound to North Station and Lechmere, then pick up the Urban Ring through Everett and Chelsea and terminate at Logan-Blue. Maybe on some future Massport renovation of Logan they do a grade-separated elevated busway around the terminals to speed up SL1. Then you can send that trolley straight through from Logan station to each terminal, co-mingled with SL1. Want SS...pick up the silver bus. Want NS, a Green one-seat, or transfer to Red or all the Green branches...pick up the Green trolley. Does everything you need it to from either side of the Logan-Downtown circuit.

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Blue to Salem is realistic, and an actual "Universe of Projects" listing in various MPO transit studies. The Eastern Route was built at 4-track width between the Lynn side of Saugus River and the Salem tunnel. Only a few of the post-1950's overpass renewals knocked out the #3 & 4 berths for simpler structures. Wonderland-Lynn actually costs more than Lynn-Salem because it involves a very expensive river crossing, jump-over from the Blue (ex- Boston, Revere Beach & Lynn RR) ROW to the Eastern ROW across wetlands, and a segment of the Eastern that was always a 2-track causeway. But once you're at Riverworks it's pretty much free and clear all the way up.

So priority should be getting to Lynn (and Charles MGH) in the first place, dealing with that sticker shock, and making sure that sticker shock stays in-check without needless bloat. But once you make it to Lynn in one piece, going further is straightforward. Start the Salem studies, build up the coalition...and when the time comes, it should be a relatively low-drama affair. Work mainly involves:

  • Quadding back up the bridges that were cut back to 2 tracks in more recent history.

  • Embankment and retaining wall work. Some areas got additional dirt pack over the past century to shore up hillsides and whatnot, and lost a little bit of width that needs to be re-scooped and re-stabilized.

  • Reconfig Swampscott station. Station house is a historic landmark, and it's densely abutted. May need 1 or 2 buildings of property taking next to the station parking lots and some artful angling of the 4 tracks over Burrill St. to avoid clipping the adjacent buildings. All doable since rapid transit would be swallowing the CR station here, but this is maybe the tightest fit on the extension.

  • EIS'ing the swamp causeway north of Swampscott station. This segment was originally graded for quad-track way back in the mid-19th century, but it never actually carried 4 tracks. It's easily wide enough for 3 tracks because of the adjacent power lines and telltale extra ballast space next to the outbound track. So it would need to be rounded up 150 years to current environmental regs for how much buffer is needed between track and vegetation (which has encroached the original grading). Probably means some shaving of rock outcrops to create level space for all 4 tracks. As EIS'ing goes this isn't scary at all, but you pay the going rate for protecting a swamp.

  • Storage yard. That would be some chunk of Castle Hill freight yard currently buried in weeds a few blocks south of the tunnel. Depending on what side of the ROW Blue runs on may have to do a small flyover to hop over commuter rail here.

  • Can't go through the tunnel; it can't be widened enough for 2 rapid transit tracks next to 1 RR track. So climb up the side wall and stub-out at Mill St. in the DPW yard next to the police station. End of the line.

Stations past Lynn can be:


  • Swampscott -- displaces CR station

  • Hawthorne (optional)-- @ Essex St./Danvers Rd. Access to Swampscott Mall, 455 & 459 buses, area resididential and employment, crossroads between Routes 107 & 1A. Spacer for over-long distance between Swampscott and Salem State stations. Omit if ridership projections underwhelm.

  • Salem State University -- @ Jefferson Ave., same place infill CR station has been proposed (Google "North Shore Transit Improvements Study" on the T's website and there's renders of it). Blue displaces CR station. Walking distance to Mass General Children's.

  • Salem -- @ police station on Mill St. Same location (above, instead of in the tunnel incline cut) as pre-1988 CR station. Probably worth relocating the CR station back south-of-portal into its old cut for a unified superstation. That ghastly parking sink to the north is so anachronistic the town will be sick enough of the park-and-riders in a couple decades to want to redev that thing into something more downtown-y. I suppose if you need a lot at the new station you can plunk it at the north tip of the Castle Hill yard next to the electrical substation.

Remaining CR stations south of Beverly would be Chelsea, Lynn (huge bus terminal), Salem (sizeable bus node, some reverse commutes, last possible place to transfer to/from all 3 CR branches before Peabody diverges). Riverworks would already be swallowed by Blue on the Lynn extension, Swampscott and Salem State U. by Salem extension. Expect CR ridership at Lynn and Salem to resemble Malden Ctr.: pronounced skew to alightings over boardings, primarily a bus transferee audience instead of general commuter audience. i.e. "significant niche" patronage.
 
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Blue Salem - yes would be excellent, thanks for the rundown. Recently moved from Eastie to Essex so now I'm looking out the window twice a day at that ROW and can say that i think you nailed the assessment here.

Quick clarification please - is blue line currently at max headway during peak hours? And given that so much of the total ridership comes from bus transfers at maverick (and soon to be SL@aiport), is branching - with max cross-harbor frequencies - really and truly unthinkable? And what if you ran a portion of the inbound trains onto the airport spur instead of across the harbor, both to serve airport-bound (and SL- transfering) passengers from/to the north and also to keep the northern end of line operating at high frequency?
 
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Reasonable new Blue Line tunnel: LA just opened a pedestrian tunnel to link their red and orange lines, could a tunnel and moving walkway between State and Downtown Crossing be our cheap red/blue connector?

I've seen discussion somewhere on this board that such a thing would be possible by going through some of the basements under Washington Street. The big disadvantage versus a red/blue connector at Charles would be that it doesn't do anything to relieve crowding and dwell times at the big downtown stations, but it would be cheap. Probably.
 
But the main point of the red/blue connection is to get rid of overcrowding at the downtown stations at least from an operating stand point aside from the whole Big Dig connection.
 
Blue Salem - yes would be excellent, thanks for the rundown. Recently moved from Eastie to Essex so now I'm looking out the window twice a day at that ROW and can say that i think you nailed the assessment here.

Quick clarification please - is blue line currently at max headway during peak hours? And given that so much of the total ridership comes from bus transfers at maverick (and soon to be SL@aiport), is branching - with max cross-harbor frequencies - really and truly unthinkable? And what if you ran a portion of the inbound trains onto the airport spur instead of across the harbor, both to serve airport-bound passenger from/to the north and also to keep the northern end of line operating at high frequency?

Bowdoin Loop is currently the Blue headway limiter. I don't think it's 100% at the limit, but it's close. Having to take a heavy rail car around an ex- trolley loop that's pretty tight for Green Line standards is a killer, as is the lack of any practical schedule-correcting layup storage on that end of the line. Different situation entirely if they build to Charles MGH because you'll have an Alewife-style island stub-end with tail tracks to substantially increase capacity, which is why Red-Blue is virtually assumed if you have intentions of expanding northbound.


The branching issue--if you build Charles--isn't a big deal if you're planning to keep the line where it currently is forever. You can feed Wonderland at negligible decrease in headways because it's very short distance from Logan where branches would presumably split. That's no longer true if you put Lynn--and intermediates between Wonderland and Lynn--on the board. Lynn's the North Shore's be-all bus terminal, and it will have a voracious appetite for headways. The PMT '03 figures for the extension were +21,000 daily ridership increases on Blue, and +7900 all-new transit riders. Note that doesn't in any way suggest Lynn is going to have boardings in any way equivalent to Downtown Crossing. It's the network effects of destressing the bus system that lead to increases all up and down Blue.

Right now all of the 400-series buses based out of Lynn terminal make that distended trip down to Wonderland, with 9 routes continuing past Wonderland through the Ted and Sumner/Callahan to Downtown. An enormous amount of equipment gets chewed up by that, starving frequencies for all the 400's, all five 100-series routes out of Maverick (run out of Lynn garage), and the 119 pinging from Beachmont to Saugus. 4 of the 5 Maverick routes are Top 50 in system ridership: 116 (17th), 117 (26th), 104 (32nd), and 120 (50th). Eastie, Revere, and Chelsea get absolutely screwed by the capacity imbalance. So getting rid of the equipment vacuum out of Lynn garage by trimming all those kludged Wonderland + Downtown distended runs frees up enormous capacity to Key Bus Route the living hell out of the Maverick routes to help exploding demand in Chelsea and Revere. As well as give the North Shore 400's their first real, useful frequencies to towns that are crow-flies close to transit but still too car-dependent because the last-mile transit is too sparse to be usable.

Net effect on Blue: Maverick sees almost as big a ridership jump as Lynn contributes as an all-new stop, and the bus frequencies goose Wood Island, Orient Heights, Suffolk Downs, Beachmont, and Revere Beach boardings modestly. Add it all together plus whatever new intermediates go between Wonderland and Lynn and...yes, you will get about 20,000 new Blue riders per day. Guaranteed if Red-Blue is also done, which every BLX advocate says is a must because Red Line is where so many people ultimately need to go.


+21,000 and network effects of several bus routes at Blue transfers going "Key" sails right past the demand threshold where branching would become destructive. You will need full-on mainline frequencies to serve that quantity of people when bus transfers are that big a source of the gains. It is flat-out more ridership added upstream than a Logan terminals branch/loop would ever draw on its own. Look at Maverick vs. Logan Blue Book numbers today...then compute how divergent it goes in Maverick's favor when pumped-up bus frequencies factor in. It's no contest where the demand is leading: outbound on the mainline.



FWIW, the PMT '03 spitballed numbers of +15,500 more daily Blue riders and +8900 all-new transit riders with the subsequent Lynn-Salem extension. But that too is amplified by bus network effects. Salem has 7 routes terminating there, all supplied from Lynn garage, with 2 of the routes making the bonkers express run to downtown. Swampscott has 4 routes (nearest transfer stop from Marblehead), 2 of those routes making the pointless express run to downtown. The would-be intermediates? East Lynn: 2 routes (incl. one that misses Lynn terminal); Hawthorne: 2 routes; SSU: 2 routes.

Blue to the North Shore really is a sort of old-timey BERy rapid transit build into a trolley suburb the way the station catchments all draw exponential demand from bus connections and bus frequencies. Not your typical parking garages and TOD job, and even the considerable walkup demand probably takes a backseat to what the last-mile bus connections reel in.
 
Just curious here, is the Bowdoin Loop the only thing preventing Orange Line rolling stock from running on the Blue Line?
 
Just curious here, is the Bowdoin Loop the only thing preventing Orange Line rolling stock from running on the Blue Line?
The differences were too numerous for inter-operability, the big issues being that Orange has a floor that is ~5" higher, and ~12" wider

Floor level (top of floor above top of rail)
Blue 3'4 1/2"
Orange 3'9 11/16"

Width at floor level
Blue 8'3 1/2"
Orange 9'3"

The old blue/orange common order had lots of commonality (IIRC, including that Orange could be fitted with Blue-standard pantographs for overhead wires on what was supposed to be its run through Melrose), but not inter-operability.
 
Floor height was adjustable enough that the T's first preferred plan for OL fleet renewal was a complete midlife overhaul of the 01200's for +15 years of service, and taking 24 Blue 0600's to midlife-overhaul and transfer to Orange as fleet expansion. Cars' hydraulics and air ballast would've squared floor height with adjustments; rest was just installing door extender flaps to cover the platform gaps on the narrower cars, signal equipment, and taking off the pantographs. As everything else was completely identical, you'd just have some scattered 6-car sets with a 'stubby' pair of 0600's sandwiched in, but same headway improvements as with this new car order.

They passed on the rebuilds because the Blue carbodies were much more badly corroded by salt spray along the ocean than anticipated, and it would've been too expensive to rehab. Orange shouldn't have been allowed to trail the new Blue order by this many years, but for debt & dysfunction. You probably can't as easily mod the Siemens 0900's to trainline with the new OL cars because propulsion, etc. is probably different, unlike the Hawker-Siddeley cars which were 100% mechanically identical. But probably can do the same floor jack and platform gap mods to port them to Orange so long as they ran as their own sets only.


State St. curve is the other snag setting different dimensions. Pretty sure Aquarium vicinity's got some restrictions too. Blue @ Cambridge St. portal was considered by BERy as a possible Red run-thru line split @ Charles (back when it was still trolley and they were dithering about conversion options). If they were ever going to square up dimensions for universal HRT rolling stock, that would've been the time and they'd probably have been shooting for "Orange on all" to play the averages. But it didn't prove worth it to mod the BL tunnel back then; it certainly wouldn't now with no run-thru options that serve any obvious mega-demand routing vs. continued linear expansion of the separate lines.
 
BTW...back to Salem for a sec. If you extended Blue to Mill St., total distance from Charles MGH is 15.5 miles, 2 miles less than Alewife-Braintree on Red. Total # of stations, depending on how many intermediates you end up with (factoring in Eastern Route vs. Point-of-Pines routings for reaching Lynn, and how many spacers you choose outbound), ranges from +/- 2 the current Orange Line's stop total.

You'd never fathom Mass General and frickin' Salem being the same transit trip as North Cambridge-Quincy, but it is! That's how car-imprisoned and transit-deprived the North Shore is compared to points south, and why the network effects of BL extension + un-strangling bus frequencies produce Braintree Branch-level ridership increases from Maverick on up.
 
The differences were too numerous for inter-operability, the big issues being that Orange has a floor that is ~5" higher, and ~12" wider


Width at floor level
Blue 8'3 1/2"
Orange 9'3"

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Blue and Orange have the same width at floor level (8' 3 1/2), the same width at the door thresholds (8'7") and the same max width above the floor (9' 3"). The old #1, 2, and 3 Blue Line cars had straight sides and were only 8' 7" at the max width while the now retired #4 Blue Line cars from 1979-80 had the wider 9'3" profile above the floor. They were able to get a wider Blue Line car in 1979-80 by relocating lights, conduits, and electrical fixtures in the East Boston tunnel. The #1, 2, and 3 cars also had to be built to a narrower max width in order to clear the loop at Maverick which was even tighter than the present Bowdoin loop. The Maverick loop was long gone by the time the #4 cars came along. The present Blue Line #5 cars are built to the same dimensions as the #4 cars they replaced.

(you can verify the 8'7" width at thresholds for the Orange Line fleet in the MBTA's specs for the new fleet):
http://www.mbta.com/uploadedfiles/B...sals No. CAP 27-10 (Technical Provisions).pdf
 

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