SBWTC /South Boston Waterfront Transportation Center | Seaport

CSTH said:
- I havent seen any plans to cover the sides
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Here is a pretty extensive render that shows basically everything going up in the seaport from the Sausage parcel/Parcel M over and how the garage is almost invisible unless you know exactly where to look. Even then you can only see very small corners of it peeking out from behind the buildings that will be covering it. Included is Waterside place phase 1A, 1B, the Omni hotel, M parcels, Sausage parcel, you can even see parcel K, which is not included in many renders. This is an older render so building renders like the Omni and the M parcels are obsolete but the general massing is close and we have renders showing what the finished products will actually look like. The sausage parcel has also changed colors and will be black and grey vs yellow shown here. Waterside place phase 1B has the old version here, which I have included the new version below along with The Omni hotel.

-Note: this render does not do justice to what the area will really look like as these are mostly older renders which are not very flattering here. The end result will be much better than what is shown below.



Above is an older render of Omni but that tan building is what it will be. Then on the other side of the garage at the top is Waterside place and the soon to be built Phase 1B next to it. Eventually there is even a plan to put a building up to the left of waterside phase 1B on that circular parcel so it will essentially be blocked in from almost all sides. To even get into this garage from Congress st. you have to go through waterside phase 1B as the garage is behind it and built off the street. Then you have Omni approved and being built soon on Summer st. which will block this from the other side.

Heres Omni from Summer st. The garage is located behind this.

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Here is waterside Phase 1B which will cover the garage from the street on Congress st. The garage is also behind this parcel as well. You can actually see a small sliver of the garage to the left of the tower.

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The hole that says "Seaport Transportation Center" is how you get to the garage from Congress st. which is again located behind this tower and you can see a small piece of the garage here as well.

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This means that pretty soon the garage will not be seen from views like this below, because the Omni will be built in front of it covering it from view. Then you can already see Waterside place phase 1A blocking it from the other side and phase 1B is going to be started very shortly on the left of Waterside place in the picture below completely blocking it from Congress st. Then the M parcels, Sausage parcel, Waterside place phase 1B and the parcel next to it will cover it from most angles on the other side unless you are on WTC ave.

BeeLine said:


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I am not sure of the parcel name to the left of Waterside place Phase 1B, but this is a recent render below showing that something will be built there as well covering this garage even more than shown in the first render I posted of the entire area. So below we see the garage, the Omni, Waterside place phase 1a and 1b, the parcel next to it, the M parcels, and the Sausage parcel, all going up on different sides of this garage essentially boxing it in and mostly removing it from view. Unless you are on WTC ave those other roads to the left of the garage are pike on/off ramps and so you will only get a quick view of the garage never sitting idle.

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^ Thanks. I'm familiar with the plans actually. I was thinking of the D St. and WTC Ave sides, and thought you were referring to a plan to literally build adjacent to the garage, like is happening at Gov Center Garage and is planned for Back Bay Garage.
 
Ugh, where's Arrowstreet when you need them? This could have been done nicely with another kinetic facade like the West Garage Expansion at Logan.
 
Does anyone know if the groundbreaking of Parcel K is somehow linked to the completion of this project? As I understand it, they're both Massport parcels, so I wonder if there is some sort of parking capacity guarantee factored in on timing (don't remove Parcel K parking until SBWTC can compensate).
 
Watching the Tesla event last night, I was thinking, if youre building a new garage in 2018, youd want it to be wired for lots of charging points right?
 
goldenretrievers said:
Does anyone know if the groundbreaking of Parcel K is somehow linked to the completion of this project? As I understand it, they're both Massport parcels, so I wonder if there is some sort of parking capacity guarantee factored in on timing (don't remove Parcel K parking until SBWTC can compensate).
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Could be, the parking lot at Parcel K is a very important parking lot for outside visitors going to the ICA, Liberty Wharf, wtc...etc. It would be smart to have an alternative before this is taken away.

Speaking of this does anyone know when parcel K is supposed to start?

Another thing I just realized is that I notice that many skyline shots, building shots, videos, and drone-video launching areas are from the roofs of parking garages. This should provide another new angle for getting shots of the city from the roof of the garage. At least that should add something to the forum for those members with the high powered cameras that like to go to new areas and get new angles of the city.
 
Here's from the Globe's story on parcel K:
"Both 12-story buildings will be built on a raised platform, Massport chief executive Thomas Glynn said, with room to park as many as 450 cars underneath. Construction will begin next month on what is now essentially a 2.5-acre parking lot. The project will take about two years to complete.
Glynn said the existing lot is primarily used by employees at John Hancock’s headquarters, on nearby Congress Street. Employees at the insurance company will soon be able to park in a 1,500-plus space garage that Massport is building across D Street, Glynn said."
 
They haven't added any "cladding" during the past few weeks, as far as I can tell. There was a person out there yesterday (Friday) so maybe some movement. My fear is that nothing will be done during the winter months since it looks like they're gluing the exteriors on?
 
I was in Newburyport this weekend for an event and I happened to sit next to this guy who dressed like Elvis and was rolling the dice at the bar. At first I was like this guys nuts, then started talking to me to only find out he moved from southie to Newburyport 2 years ago. The guy claims he owns a couple of 3 deckers in southie and told me he went to school for structural engineering. Who knows.

But this was his perspective concerning how the seaport is evolving. They are building all box developments without any type of transportation access to get you in or out of the area. The city and the developers are trapping the people in the area like Rats.

Biggest failure was not understanding how important real MBTA access would help the flow of the area. Then he rolled his dice and said craps

It just was interesting hearing this guy perspective since I though he was batshit nuts from his appearance but made a lot of sense talking
 
^ Quite possibly the most accurate visualization of my feelings towards this monstrosity. Bravo.
 
jass said:
Watching the Tesla event last night, I was thinking, if youre building a new garage in 2018, youd want it to be wired for lots of charging points right?
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Really? That was not my conclusion at all, but rather that EV range is increasing so quickly on EVs that charge-while-you-park will be seen as a quaint 2010 - 2020 phenomenon.

At the Tesla event, specifically, they promised a new 2020 roadster that'd get 621 miles per charge, as contrasted with the 2008 Tesla roadster that got 200 miles per charge. The future is plain old charge-at-home and drive all day (or several days) without needing to recharge.

At the "mass market" end of things the Nissan Leaf's range has climbed quickly, as the battery's been updated faster than the car:
2011 73 miles range (24kWh battery)
2013 84 miles range* (heat resistant battery in same package)
2016 107 miles range (30kWh battery in same package)
2018 150 miles range (40 kWh battery in same package) (car updated)
2019 200 miles range (60 kWh battery) (to match the 2017 Chevy Bolt & Telsa Model 3)

In just 10 years from 2010 to 2020, the "expected" EV range will have gone from about 80 miles per charge to 200 miles per charge (200 is the goal for Chevy Bolt, Nissan Leaf and Tesla Model 3)

Places like the Seaport will need decent charging, and the SBWTC would be the place to do it, but it'll only need a few (and they can be as an afterthought, really).

* I own a 2013 Leaf
 
Looks like a new pedestrian walkway (on the south sidee of the garage) from World Trade Ctr. Rd. to D Street.

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^^Nice! I didn't realize a pedestrian walkway was going in here. That'll be a really convenient alternative for breaking up the block a bit--especially if you accidentally walk out from the BCEC onto WTC Ave. trying to get to Congress St./Seaport Blvd. w/o using stairs.
 
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