Seaport Neighborhood - Infill and Discussion

Re: Innovation Dist. / South Boston Seaport

I promise you, once they build a 775 foot tower on Winthrop Sq you'll be able to take a DMU down that rail.

odurandina said:
^^mic drop...........

now we just need to add the dmu rail render/s.
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Some ideas for engaging the public with Harbor Square

















Never even thought about how when you come out of the tunnel and into the seaport this side of parcel M is going to have a little flatiron feel to it. Not bad.




 
Re: Innovation Dist. / South Boston Seaport

Thank you!

Could I ask if you can link to the "Summer Street Gateway Initiative" page on the BPDA site (or is it hidden somewhere?).
 
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Jeeezus, all ISIS needs to do is hire several sopranos to hit high notes and that whole Seaport area is going to look like Kristallnacht.
 
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odurandina said:
Thanks for these killer renders Stick. Sorry very much for spoiling the moment but we've got bad news for patrons of Five-10 Bar. It seems people are having too much fun along the Waterfront.

Five-10 shuttered by the Commonwealth....
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We've had drinks at that Intercontinental bar overlooking Ft. Point Channel and the Seaport several times, a real nice spot. I think the Intercontinental took a big reach and began posting keep out signs to the general public from accessing their rightful Harborwalk property. Dumb move by the Intercontinental folks, the state rightfully slapped em down. Hopefully, the bar that's on the Intercontinental property, stays.
 
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2005:
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stick n move said:
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I'm assuming this project sits well within the Fort Point landmark historic district with strict design review, if so, it may be a good example that even in a landmark district the design review process allowed the construction of a high quality contemporary building.
 
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commuter guy said:
I'm assuming this project sits well within the Fort Point landmark historic district with strict design review, if so, it may be a good example that even in a landmark district the design review process allowed the construction of a high quality contemporary building.
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Landmarks is primarily concerned with preservation of the existing buildings. I've had to go through them on some projects in the seaport. Since this is new construction, not touching anything existing they don't have as much pull.
 
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I, too, have done some work with the commissions in Boston. Because this is a Landmark district, the Commission is concerned with how everything works together so they will be reviewing new construction carefully. If it's in the district they have total control over the exterior. That said, they tend to work for high quality design (see 10 Farnsworth, which, as noted above, was reviewed by the Commission). The protection areas are different for new construction--much lighter level of review.

mdd said:
Landmarks is primarily concerned with preservation of the existing buildings. I've had to go through them on some projects in the seaport. Since this is new construction, not touching anything existing they don't have as much pull.
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FitchburgLine said:
2005 v.s. 2017
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This is probably a stupid question, but where did all those folks who parked in the Seaport lots work? Downtown? The port? Were there shuttles?
 
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BussesAin'tTrains said:
This is probably a stupid question, but where did all those folks who parked in the Seaport lots work? Downtown? The port? Were there shuttles?
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It's quite a testament to the power of induced demand- the surface lots are less full now because of price hikes. The people parking on the far end of Fan Pier are a mystery to me though.
 
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BussesAin'tTrains said:
This is probably a stupid question, but where did all those folks who parked in the Seaport lots work? Downtown? The port? Were there shuttles?
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At one point not that long ago it was $7 to park all day in some of those lots. Garages a 1/4 mile away were charging 5 times that so it wasn't a difficult choice for many commuters to save thousands of dollars a year by parking in the Seaport and walking 10-15 min. to the Financial District.
 
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BosDevelop said:
At one point not that long ago it was $7 to park all day in some of those lots. Garages a 1/4 mile away were charging 5 times that so it wasn't a difficult choice for many commuters to save thousands of dollars a year by parking in the Seaport and walking 10015 min. to the Financial District.
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Wow, walking 10015 minutes to the Financial District seems like a long walk


*I realize there is a typo here... I'm pretty sure BosDevelop meant 10-15 min. :)

And to add some value to my post, I've noticed a number of parking garages around Boston not full midday during the work week. For example the Necco Street Garage here:
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^ Minor point, but mid-august is not representative. Look for a rainy day or the winter in general. That being said - I know that a lot of the GC garage had long-term performance at something like 75% of capacity, and I'm sure that's true of many others.

Also - its quite possible / likely that the owners are nevertheless doing a decent job at maximizing revenue (/ asset value), even if they're not maximizing capacity utilization....
 
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BostonDrew said:
Wow, walking 10015 minutes to the Financial District seems like a long walk


*I realize there is a typo here... I'm pretty sure BosDevelop meant 10-15 min. :)
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Oops sorry about that! I accidentally typed a 0 instead of -. I fixed it. Yes, 10-15 min.
 
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CSTH said:
^ Minor point, but mid-august is not representative. Look for a rainy day or the winter in general. That being said - I know that a lot of the GC garage had long-term performance at something like 75% of capacity, and I'm sure that's true of many others.

Also - its quite possible / likely that the owners are nevertheless doing a decent job at maximizing revenue (/ asset value), even if they're not maximizing capacity utilization....
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Totally fair. I was thinking the same thing.

And here's some food for thought... while cheap surface lots are disappearing, (I would assume) they are being replaced with at least the same number of spots, if not more.

I did a rough count (based on the satellite image shared above) and there looks like there were about 450 spots available at the original flat lot where the Benjamin and Via buildings are now. The new garage contains 775 spots. That's a 53% increase in parking on the spot.



And while I'm on this parking rant, I wonder if there have been any more official studies published on parking around Boston since this article: https://www.bostonglobe.com/busines...-lost-count/sMO26oxmZPw8MfxQVGDPtN/story.html
 
Re: Innovation Dist. / South Boston Seaport

time to update the list...

complete / near-complete:

- The Benjamin & VIA (née One Seaport Square) | Parcels B-C@Seaport Sq.
- 50 Liberty @ Fan Pier | 50 Liberty Drive
- 121 Seaport Boulevard | Parcel L2
- 10 Farnsworth Street [technically Fort Point]

under construction:

- Pier 4 Office Tower | 140 Northern Ave | Seaport
- Pier 4 Condo Building (Former Anthony's site)
- Seaport Parcels M1-M2 | Seaport Sq.
- Stillings Garage Expansion | 22 Boston Wharf Rd [technically Fort Point]
- Martin's Park | Children's Wharf [technically Fort Point]
- Residences at 399 Congress St (formerly Madison Seaport Hotel)
- SBWTC /South Boston Waterfront Transportation Center
- Waterside Place 1B | 505 Congress Street
- Parcel K | Northern Avenue
- Innovation Square (iSQ) | 6 Tide St.
- 25 Fid Kennedy

approved, with potential 2018 starts:

- Whiskey Priest/Atlantic Beer Garden Redevelopment | 150 Seaport Blvd
- Marine Wharf (Hampton Inn and Homewood Suites) | 660 Summer St
- Parcel Q1 | 10 Drydock Ave.

hopefully will be proposed soon:

- Fan Pier Parcel E
- Fan Pier Parcel H
- Seaport Square Parcel D
- Seaport Square Parcel F (the last undeveloped section)
- Seaport Square Parcel G
- Massport Parcel A2
- Massport Parcel H
- Marine Industrial Park Parcel V1
- Marine Industrial Park Dry Dock 4
- any freak parcel (Massport Parcel D1, concave triangle parcel, two level fort point)

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