Seaport Square (Formerly McCourt Seaport Parcels)

Tombstoner said:
Nothing about the quality of architecture or the height restrictions remotely says "Lakeshore East." It veritably screams "128-on-the-Harbor."
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On the other hand from what I have seen street level activation in the seaport will be at least equal to if not better than what I have seen of Lakeshore East. If I am wrong please correct me but it just doesn't seem to be very well activated and the streetwall does not seem as consistent.
 
citylover94 said:
On the other hand from what I have seen street level activation in the seaport will be at least equal to if not better than what I have seen of Lakeshore East. If I am wrong please correct me but it just doesn't seem to be very well activated and the streetwall does not seem as consistent.
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And this is Why the seaport (despite having pretty horrible architecture and skyline) will actually work. Ultimately street level is the most important.
 
JohnAKeith said:
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I think P and N are switched here, according to the map SeamusMcFly posted. Also, P will soar to 270 feet!

Does anyone know if the Congress Street Hotel will actually look like the base of the Lipstick Building, as seen above?
 
citylover94 said:
On the other hand from what I have seen street level activation in the seaport will be at least equal to if not better than what I have seen of Lakeshore East. If I am wrong please correct me but it just doesn't seem to be very well activated and the streetwall does not seem as consistent.
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I agree--I think Seaport will work better than Lakeshore East which is relatively retail-starved and remains sterile. I don't know about the "consistency of the streetwall" issue or how that contributes to the lack of activation, but it is definitely not "buzzy." Still, it is pretty to look at :). I guess it's too much to expect both good street life and good architecture.
 
datadyne007 said:
Dude, I know you get off trolling this thread (and other Seaport ones) about how much you hate the Silver Line Waterfront, but I'm posting this for the sake of facts.

Parcel M1 & M2 are literally 500 feet away from World Trade Center Station.
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Dude, I know you have no common sense but how long will the Silver line bus have to wait to get over the bridge that will probably become grid lock over the majority of the day to get to their underground tunnel to become efficient in the Seaport? There are parts of the Seaport that are walking distance to the South Station but the majority of the Seaport is whole lot of walking.

Very Bad planning for the city of Boston---Not only that the taxpayers paid a lot of money to help support the development in this shitty design of wannabe 128 and Kendall Square vision.

Whatever happen to the dreamers risking their own capital to help make a better more efficient city? Owe we got hoodwinked into creating jobs for political garbage running this city and state.
 
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Hopefully if their is strong retail street presence in these new developments, it will make the psychological distance imposed by these oversized blocks less significant when travelling on foot. Part of the "whole lot of walking" is the boringness of walking next to windswept parking lots.
 
TheRifleman said:
Dude, I know you have no common sense but how long will the Silver line bus have to wait to get over the bridge that will probably become grid lock over the majority of the day to get to their underground tunnel to become efficient in the Seaport? There are parts of the Seaport that are walking distance to the South Station but the majority of the Seaport is whole lot of walking.
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What bridge????
I thought you have taken the silver line? It's all underground until the Hancock building (Manulife). Underground station at South Station, at the Courthouse, and at World Trade Center. Those service the bulk of the seaport developments at this point. The Silver Line Way stop is surface, and will hit the new Massport sites.

It's not ideal, but there is no gridlock'd bridge in the tunnel. It goes under the channel, where the traffic you reference is.

Before "no common sense" comments, you might want to understand what you're badmouthing first.

You can ride from south station and pop out at Courthouse. This services fan pier, the new parcel B & C build outs at Seaport Square. Easy walk to District Hall.

Ride further to WTC and you hit all the buildings at WTC and the convention center. Can walk easily to the west side of Seaport Square or Liberty Wharf, the other bars etc.

Both stations provide easy walks to pier 4.
 
SeamusMcFly said:
What bridge????
I thought you have taken the silver line? It's all underground until the Hancock building (Manulife). Underground station at South Station, at the Courthouse, and at World Trade Center. Those service the bulk of the seaport developments at this point. The Silver Line Way stop is surface, and will hit the new Massport sites.

It's not ideal, but there is no gridlock'd bridge in the tunnel. It goes under the channel, where the traffic you reference is.

Before "no common sense" comments, you might want to understand what you're badmouthing first.

You can ride from south station and pop out at Courthouse. This services fan pier, the new parcel B & C build outs at Seaport Square. Easy walk to District Hall.

Ride further to WTC and you hit all the buildings at WTC and the convention center. Can walk easily to the west side of Seaport Square or Liberty Wharf, the other bars etc.

Both stations provide easy walks to pier 4.
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Presumably he's talking about the D-Street crossing. That's easily fixed though. It's just a matter of political will.
 
BussesAin'tTrains said:
Presumably he's talking about the D-Street crossing. That's easily fixed though. It's just a matter of political will.
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Not to mention that while it does slow down travel times, it does not effect headways. So you still have a bus every 5 minutes at WTC.
 
The D-Street crossing can definitely affect headways. It doesn't slow down buses predictably. One might get 90 seconds, the next might get 0.

And the thing about bus bunching is, once you start tipping into it, the effect grows in strength, like gravity. And then the buses can't seem to separate at all.
 
BussesAin'tTrains said:
Presumably he's talking about the D-Street crossing. That's easily fixed though. It's just a matter of political will.
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I gave this a little thought. As the name suggests, there is a lot of shooting from the hip.

But, as of now, the bridges getting all the gridlock hype are the ones connecting to downtown. I really think he has no idea this is a subway from south station.

The d street mess needs addressing sooner than later to be sure. But, as it stands, the silver li be seaport is better than it gets credit for. In 10 years I'm sure I'll be singing a different tune. The bulk of the major build out will be done and occupied. Then the delayed reaction by the state and the agency will kick in.
 
The D street crossing will become much more of an issue when new Massport parking garage opens next door(expected time frame - 3 years). At a minimum they'll need signal sync to prioritize bus crossing here....
 
Does anyone have the details on M1 and M2? The Banker & Tradesman article is behind a paywall, now. The old files on the BRA's website aren't accurate any longer, I don't think. (It has M1 & M2 adding up to 800,000 square feet.)

Parcel K looks to be one building in the map from a couple days ago but they're building 2 buildings on the site? So, J and H are both not yet built.

Are D & F correct as shown? I think so, b/c the under-construction memorial is part of F, with a park next to it, and will replace District Hall?
 
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