Seaport Square (Formerly McCourt Seaport Parcels)

JohnAKeith said:
The MBTA built a tunnel to run a bus from South Station to the Airport through the Seaport District but then added surface transportation?

::drinks Drano::
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It runs through the tunnel. The Silver Line didn't run all the way to Logan until a little while after the line opened. After that the T never got rid of the shuttle run.

Call it SL0.
 
JohnAKeith said:
So what's the thinking if you're a business? "Oh, my employees can drive to work"? Or do they really expect people to enjoy taking the Silver Line bus ... or walking from South Station?
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Bottom Line: The Corporations are not thinking this out for their employees. Most corporations could careless about their employees transit.

The city & state have dumped all the taxpayers money to promote the innovation district but in the end they never built the proper foundation to make the value always their.

The corporations will be flocking back to Downtown, Backbay, Kendall, Greenway. The areas with the Hardrails will be the future of Boston destination spots especially when they realize Seaport is very cold & miserable in the winter time.
 
TheRifleman said:
Bottom Line: The Corporations are not thinking this out for their employees. Most corporations could careless about their employees transit.

The city & state have dumped all the taxpayers money to promote the innovation district but in the end they never built the proper foundation to make the value always their.

The corporations will be flocking back to Downtown, Backbay, Kendall, Greenway. The areas with the Hardrails will be the future of Boston destination spots especially when they realize Seaport is very cold & miserable in the winter time.
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I usually avoid countering these rants nowadays, but this is just too far off base again.

"Corporations" moved out to 128 because it was cheaper for them, then sold their employees on the oodles of free parking to make their lives easier. Because in our automobile driven lifestyles, sitting in gridlock for 1-2 hours each way is a better life.

Now corporations are moving to a district that is, as discussed numerous times, directly served by mass transit in the silver lines, plenty of buses, and 1/4 - 1/2 mile from south station and Aquarium meaning it's receiving commuter line suburbanites, city dwellers on the red and blue lines (plus those who make easy transfers, and this is not caring about employees transit how? (Not, to mention everyone of the existing parking spots from the lots are being replaced underground for those who just can't go without.

Corporations are spending more to be in the city (insert all the subsidy rants here you want, point is it still costs more for them to operate in the city) because their employees want to be in the city, and it looks better on them being in the hip growing city in the hip growing district.

We're never going to get you to like the dreaded bus, no matter how much it is in fact a subway. "Corporations" are already flocking to those places you mentioned. Kendall is still red hot, the back bay has yet to cool off, and downtown is seeing some resurgence, driven by residential at the moment. The seaport is still a blank slate with limitless potential and a lot of people willing to bet on it's future. I'm not saying these risk takers are smarter than you or not, but they are in a decision making position for a reason. It's a big risk moving to an as yet built neighborhood. They think it's worth the risk, and want in on the ground floor.

Having worked in the seaport for 8 years and walking to work from South Station 95% of those days..... the bridge can suck, other than that it's the same as everywhere. Hell, some folks I worked with would take the SL to Courthouse in the winter to avoid the bridge (wow a convenience that bus is). The harbor is not being on the ocean. It's desolate now because it's nothing but parking lots. When built out, many areas won't even see the water, never mind be affected by it. As it stands, the Seaport is neither more cold nor miserable than anywhere else when you're outside in the winter.

You're looking at it through today's eyes. Put on your back to the future glasses and consider your thoughts.
 
Boston mayoral candidate proposes Innovation District instead of casino for East Boston

Courtesy of Bill Walczak for Mayor.
Bill Walczak is campaigning to eliminate plans for a casino in East Boston in favor of a new Innovation District at the 163-acre site.

Thomas Grillo
Real Estate Editor-
Boston Business Journal

Former health care executive and Boston mayoral candidate Bill Walczak will propose on Wednesday that Suffolk Downs should be the Hub’s next Innovation District and not a resort-style casino.

“Once the Innovation District in South Boston is filled, where will those business go next?” Walczak told the Boston Business Journal on Tuesday. “I would argue that the East Boston location of Suffolk Downs is a great opportunity for an expansion of green jobs because it’s on the road to the airport and it’s an area that could be well developed given the amount of land involved. We can built green economy jobs there and open it up for future development for the kinds of businesses that are going into the South Boston Innovation District.”

Of the dozen candidates for mayor, Walczak is one of two who oppose an East Boston casino. Charles L. Clemons Jr. is the other.

Walczak plans to detail his plan to turn the 163-acre Suffolk Downs into a center for innovation jobs at a press conference at 11 a.m. in Maverick Square Park at 220 Sumner St. in East Boston tomorrow.

Under his proposal, the owners of Suffolk Downs would drop their plans a $1 billion resort casino at the 78-year-old thoroughbred horse racing track. Under the proposal by Suffolk Downs and its partner, Caesars Entertainment of Las Vegas, the racetrack would add a casino, two hotels, restaurants, retail shops, entertainment areas in the city’s East Boston neighborhood. Suffolk Downs seeks one of the three resort casino licenses under the state’s new gambling law.

“Under my plan, you could develop the Innovation District and keep the racetrack,” Walczak said. “It all comes down to: what does the community want and what does the city of Boston need? I’d say the developable land that could be turned into an Innovation economy businesses and therefore jobs (that) will pay a lot better than casino jobs.”
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Looks like they been reading this board (GREAT IDEA)

http://www.bizjournals.com/boston/real_estate/2013/08/Walczak-proposes-east-boston-innovation.html
 
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OK, but what would persuade an 'innovative' company to locate at Suffolk Downs, rather than in Kendall/Lechmere or the Seaport (or, perhaps even Assembly Square)?
 
The next innovation district will naturally develop where the is existing infrastructure, a desirable location, and affordable rent. Its happening in Davis square now, and a few other areas in Boston such as the Leather District and SoWa. Suffulk Downs would require new build outs which means high rent. Also does not have the location (besides Logan). This is just a political hail Mary to please residents and garner votes.
 
JohnAKeith said:
So what's the thinking if you're a business? "Oh, my employees can drive to work"? Or do they really expect people to enjoy taking the Silver Line bus ... or walking from South Station?
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It's a 15 minute walk from SS. I do that walk x2 daily, to and from work. I don't see it being a problem for any able bodied human being.
 
ParkerChris said:
The next innovation district will naturally develop where the is existing infrastructure, a desirable location, and affordable rent. Its happening in Davis square now, and a few other areas in Boston such as the Leather District and SoWa. Suffulk Downs would require new build outs which means high rent. Also does not have the location (besides Logan). This is just a political hail Mary to please residents and garner votes.
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Gee somebody finally gets it. "Naturally develop due to existing infrastructure & good solid foundation."

Thank you Mr. Parker.

How much did Davis Square cost the taxpayers? The RED LINE extension
The Political hacks are pushing well over 100 Million in tax breaks to help with their shitty agenda for the innovation district and in the end it will fall short due to a shitty infrastructure.
 
TheRifleman said:
Gee somebody finally gets it. "Naturally develop due to existing infrastructure & good solid foundation."

Thank you Mr. Parker.

How much did Davis Square cost the taxpayers? The RED LINE extension
The Political hacks are pushing well over 100 Million in tax breaks to help with their shitty agenda for the innovation district and in the end it will fall short due to a shitty infrastructure.
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I don't agree that there is shitty infrastructure.. As I and many have said before, the Red Line is incredibly close to most of the offices in the Seaport, and the Silver Line isn't all that bad. Lastly, In the Seaport, Boston is building a business/residential/entertainment district spawned off of an Innovation District that "naturally developed due to existing infrastructure and solid foundation" in Fort Point. The label "Innovation District" is purely a branding play at this point.
 
ParkerChris said:
The label "Innovation District" is purely a branding play at this point.
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And a tiring one at that...


As for people not working in the seaport: out of my five real life friends, four work in the seaport. Three at real jobs (two designers and a lawyer) and one as a bartender, because she makes better money there then downtown. Over half the interviews I go on are in the seaport. To think people arent/don't go there for jobs or to go out is like thinking the sky is not blue. And its not even halfway built out yet, and the silver line kind of sucks, and the development is mostly lackluster. It's succeeding despite all that.
 
armpitsOFmight said:
It definitely sux!!! What's the appeal of this area again?
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For the ten millionth time, the Silver Line Waterfront is actually the most efficient/best headways and on-time mode of transport in the whole MBTA system. The stations are large, clean, and provide quick access to key areas/sides/levels of the complex street grid in the Seaport.
 
I like it when people agree with me more than when they don't.

Re: Innovation District - this is why I don't understand why DTX wasn't branded as an Innovation District. Seems to me there's enough density and its location is divine.
 
JohnAKeith said:
I like it when people agree with me more than when they don't.

Re: Innovation District - this is why I don't understand why DTX wasn't branded as an Innovation District. Seems to me there's enough density and its location is divine.
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Because the Menino gang (politicans) couldn't get the kickbacks from friends like Fallon all on the taxpayers dime.
 
datadyne007 said:
For the ten millionth time, the Silver Line Waterfront is actually the most efficient/best headways and on-time mode of transport in the whole MBTA system. The stations are large, clean, and provide quick access to key areas/sides/levels of the complex street grid in the Seaport.
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So what? My O-line gets me to more interesting places and I don't need to transfer 3 times to get there.
 
JohnAKeith said:
I like it when people agree with me more than when they don't.

Re: Innovation District - this is why I don't understand why DTX wasn't branded as an Innovation District. Seems to me there's enough density and its location is divine.
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I think the branding play is genius and was a very smart move for Boston's economic growth as a whole (which is why I agree to "most" of the tax breaks).

The Seaport was/is barren.. Label it with a "trendy" and cultural relevant tagline, get companies and restaurants to move there, let the rents skyrocket, let the rents in other areas like DTX and Back Bay adjust, let the new "innovative" companies and start-ups move there.. Then rinse, repeat...
 
I call you out on your "I go on 3 out of five interviews there."

What companies are, you know, actually located in the Seaport District?

Are you interviewing at restaurants and hotels by chance?
 
My friend works for LogMeIn, which just relocated from Woburn to the Seaport about 2 months ago. They have about 600 employees and are hiring.

Another couple friends have a graphic/brand/web design company called Upstatement with about 8 or so employees. I suppose they are more in Fort Point than the Seaport proper...
 
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