The Harlo (née Skanska Fenway Project (Burger King))| 1350 Boylston Street | Fenway

Re: Skanska Fenway Project (Burger King) | 1350 Boylston Street | Fenway

FK4 said:
Interesting. As far as I can remember the smaller stalls in trilogy have been there from the very beginning but if not,, they've been there for a very long time and almost the beginning. I'm assuming it's very hard to subdivide commercial space for whatever red tape reasons likely exist but am not sure. One glaring example of a foolishly large space is the huge space in the Jackson sq building on Columbus... It's going to be empty forever.
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Typically the commercial space in buildings of this sort is designed so that it can be subdivided into smaller space (or if originally leased to smaller tenants later consolidated) in order to provide leasing flexibility. Zoning and permitting are usually not a problem.
 
Re: Skanska Fenway Project (Burger King) | 1350 Boylston Street | Fenway

Correct, but there is usually a maximum number of tenants. The landlord wants to sub meter all tenants, and its always better when the infrastructure is there. Water and wastewater stubs, tenant electric panel (480), heating and cooling if provided. Tenants want a ready to plug and play white box, so adding additional services is on the landlord typically. Cutting up slabs to extend waste in can be especially costly when slab on grade.

Edit to add sprinkler zones. More landlord cost.
 
Re: Skanska Fenway Project (Burger King) | 1350 Boylston Street | Fenway

FK4 said:
Interesting. As far as I can remember the smaller stalls in trilogy have been there from the very beginning but if not,, they've been there for a very long time and almost the beginning. I'm assuming it's very hard to subdivide commercial space for whatever red tape reasons likely exist but am not sure. One glaring example of a foolishly large space is the huge space in the Jackson sq building on Columbus... It's going to be empty forever.
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I live in that building. A local, family-owned dentist office just set up shop in the retail stall on the side facing the station, the adjacent one is still sitting empty, as is the smaller, more narrow stall immediately adjacent our management office on the Centre Street side of the building. That absurdly large retail space on the corner of Centre and Columbus actually got split. There's now some sort of lender/real estate agent for low-income/disadvantaged buyers; that tenant space now ends here.

So I guess that answers my question - there's not so much friction to subdivide retail stalls that it doesn't happen, but it may be just enough friction to make it difficult for some local business to fill in smaller stalls if the property management co is being wooed by larger chains for more square footage.

Then the issue of sub-metering per tenant, though this just seems like something that would be factored in as a cost of business to the management co. It's a common activity in managing office spaces; I imagine it's some overhead, but not so much that it's much of a factor in whether or not a retail space gets subdivided.
 
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^ haha, I should know better because I have HAVE seen that realty thing but have driven so little in the past few months I'm never on the Columbus side of that building despite living only 5 blocks away... So totally forgot about that. Still, you've got
to wonder why they would ever think anything commercial other than offices would ever lease an enormous space there... And this seems to happen with some regularity that too-large spaces get carved out.

I suppose though it's heartening that it's easy to remedy, and perhaps in many of these developments they actually plan ahead for this contingency with the meters etc.
 
Re: Skanska Fenway Project (Burger King) | 1350 Boylston Street | Fenway

Thinking about this more, I'm guessing the City Target sucked up all the demand for non-restaurant retail in this area? It seems like in order to survive a new store would have to be very niche (Craft Beer Cellar) or food service.
 
Re: Skanska Fenway Project (Burger King) | 1350 Boylston Street | Fenway

I could go for more niche retail or even more restaurants. Target also does absorb a lot of commodity demand, but I think it's largely back-filling the retail capacity lost from closures at Landmark.

Speaking of, that too may be a sink for more retail activity; I'd imagine Samuels is selling the space there as more attractive since you have the agglomeration benefits of having a bunch of shops in very close proximity with the added benefit of a climate-controlled environment.

It'll be interesting to see how ground floor retail in this building fares in this building when it's completed. I'd love to see Boylston Street continue to fill in with more places like Hojoko (except maybe less absurd prices for what should be delicious-but-inexpensive Japanese bar food) or maybe have Tasty Burger move into one of the new retail stalls to free up that parcel for more intense development.
 
Re: Skanska Fenway Project (Burger King) | 1350 Boylston Street | Fenway

Crane is up!
 
Re: Skanska Fenway Project (Burger King) | 1350 Boylston Street | Fenway

is that what this was, this afternoon? I was hoping it was the Point but it seem off from where I was on Boylston st
 
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From 2/28







 
Re: Skanska Fenway Project (Burger King) | 1350 Boylston Street | Fenway

It is going to be fantastic to see this and the Pierce going up together, being sort of a capstone to the transformation of Boylston Street.
 
Re: Skanska Fenway Project (Burger King) | 1350 Boylston Street | Fenway

Agreed, definitely capstones for this era of development in Fenway. The REAL capstone will be the new buildings at Landmark and any development over the Star Market & Gulf.

Though, there's still plenty of potential in this neighbourhood. In a way this feels like our own Tysons Corner transformation - with the very careful distinction that this has always had decent transit access - but there's still a ton of headroom for growth.

This is a good intermediate densification building.
 
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DigSciGuy - agreed 100%.

Up next is Landmark. After that, tons more potential...

- Tasty Burger lot
- Star Market lot
- Gulf lot
- The Verb (could very easily be torn down for development, remember they put very little money and time into this after HoJo)
- Rite Aid
- Baseball Tavern block
- Brookline Ave (think those old buildings that the Sox own where Copperfield's was, etc.)
- Fenway Center (???)
 
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DigitalSciGuy said:
In a way this feels like our own Tysons Corner transformation....
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Tyson's Corner is on the beltway, not right next to downtown DC. If say, Burlington or Waltham started building Kendall sized buildings, that would be a more apt comparison. This is nothing like Tyson's Corner.
 
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cjbski said:
DigSciGuy - agreed 100%.

Up next is Landmark. After that, tons more potential...

- Tasty Burger lot
- Star Market lot
- Gulf lot
- The Verb (could very easily be torn down for development, remember they put very little money and time into this after HoJo)
- Rite Aid
- Baseball Tavern block
- Brookline Ave (think those old buildings that the Sox own where Copperfield's was, etc.)
- Fenway Center (???)
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Agreed, though it feels Landmark will be the last development of this cycle. We haven't had a new building be announced in Fenway for two years or so. I'm guessing in the next boom cycle Tasty Burger, Star Market, and Gulf will be the first to go. Especially since it'll be a lot easier to remove the Star Market when there's a Wegman's across the street.
 
Re: Skanska Fenway Project (Burger King) | 1350 Boylston Street | Fenway

cjbski said:
....After that, tons more potential...
- The Verb (could very easily be torn down for development, remember they put very little money and time into this after HoJo)
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This may or may not be valid, but I feel like one reason why this site would be kept on the short side is safety. For instance, they would not want to provide an angle where, say, an active shooter could sit on the roof (or even in an upper window) and pick off people in the stands at Fenway. Just a theory.
 
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DZH22 said:
This may or may not be valid, but I feel like one reason why this site would be kept on the short side is safety. For instance, they would not want to provide an angle where, say, an active shooter could sit on the roof (or even in an upper window) and pick off people in the stands at Fenway. Just a theory.
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You could do that now from Viridian or Van Ness.

http://www.boston.com/real-estate/l...te-interest/JHBBLAhHeY7sKO8rF0eEXI/story.html
 
Re: Skanska Fenway Project (Burger King) | 1350 Boylston Street | Fenway

DZH22 said:
This may or may not be valid, but I feel like one reason why this site would be kept on the short side is safety. For instance, they would not want to provide an angle where, say, an active shooter could sit on the roof (or even in an upper window) and pick off people in the stands at Fenway. Just a theory.
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Guess we should knock a few floors off Viridian, then.

If they stay short with any Verb redev, it'll be because Fenway and Sox leadership pitched a fit.
 
Re: Skanska Fenway Project (Burger King) | 1350 Boylston Street | Fenway

DZH22 said:
This may or may not be valid, but I feel like one reason why this site would be kept on the short side is safety. For instance, they would not want to provide an angle where, say, an active shooter could sit on the roof (or even in an upper window) and pick off people in the stands at Fenway. Just a theory.
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Dude.


You have nothing to fear but fear itself. Seriously.
 
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