The New Retail Thread

That's why a dive bar will never again be in the seaport, sadly.

Never say never. Brick & mortar retail will continue to bomb out and the owners of these buildings will have no choice but to slash the rents when they get desperate enough to lease the space. There's a lot of retail speculation happening in the Seaport right now, especially in Echelon.
 
That's why a dive bar will never again be in the seaport, sadly.

Never is a long time. 30 years ago everyone in Boston would tell you there would never be anything BUT dive bars in the Seaport. It'll take a while for the shine to come off of these new buildings, but it will happen.
 
Never say never. Brick & mortar retail will continue to bomb out and the owners of these buildings will have no choice but to slash the rents when they get desperate enough to lease the space. There's a lot of retail speculation happening in the Seaport right now, especially in Echelon.

What do you mean by this, specifically?
 
What do you mean by this, specifically?

The podium of Echelon (Parcels M1/M2) is rendered as a high end outdoor mall in an era where malls & retail are dying. Heck, Newbury St can't even sustain retail anymore.
 
The podium of Echelon (Parcels M1/M2) is rendered as a high end outdoor mall in an era where malls & retail are dying. Heck, Newbury St can't even sustain retail anymore.

The retail downturn is more specific to suburban big-box type stores. Smaller-scale retail in thriving urban cores is by and large doing fine. Bars, restaurants, convenience stores/pharmacies, and grocery stores will never go away.

We on archBoston frequently lament the fact that dive bars and clubs across the city are being priced out. "Dive bars are being priced out" and "retail is dying" are not compatible narratives.

Newbury St's issues are overblown, and to the extent that the street does have a decent amount of vacancy it's due to unsustainable asking rents. Usually when a street has a hard time filling its retail spaces in today's climate it's because of the landlord, not the market (see: Bromfield St, the block of Boylston east of Berkeley, etc.). Where landlords are committed to filling the space, they do (see: 101 Seaport, the Harlo, all of Assembly Row, One Seaport Square, etc.). This also goes for Greater Boston's traditional squares. Places like Harvard Square, Davis Square, Coolidge Corner, etc. have vacancy right around zero.

But yeah, at a high level, I agree with your take. Not all retail can be glitzy high-end stuff at $100 psf. With as much retail coming on line as we're seeing in the Seaport, asking rents will have to drop and tenant diversity will increase. That's a good thing.
 
The retail downturn is more specific to suburban big-box type stores. Smaller-scale retail in thriving urban cores is by and large doing fine. Bars, restaurants, convenience stores/pharmacies, and grocery stores will never go away.
Essentially none of these retail typologies were rendered at Echelon, except for ultra high end restaurants, which the Seaport is already brimming with:
http://www.archboston.org/community/showpost.php?p=307818&postcount=263

The renders show ultra high end clothing stores/boutiques in an outdoor mall. They don't show grocery stores or pharmacies.


Newbury St's issues are overblown, and to the extent that the street does have a decent amount of vacancy it's due to unsustainable asking rents.
You just proved my point. The rents in these buildings will eventually be similarly unsustainable, even to ultra lux retailers as we are seeing on Newbury.

Places like Harvard Square, Davis Square, Coolidge Corner, etc. have vacancy right around zero.
None of these areas have the concentration of lux retail & dining that the Seaport currently has and will have.

But yeah, at a high level, I agree with your take. Not all retail can be glitzy high-end stuff at $100 psf. With as much retail coming on line as we're seeing in the Seaport, asking rents will have to drop and tenant diversity will increase. That's a good thing.
Agreed.
 
The podium of Echelon (Parcels M1/M2) is rendered as a high end outdoor mall in an era where malls & retail are dying. Heck, Newbury St can't even sustain retail anymore.

Oh I see, you mean speculation as in the renders simply assume that the space will be filled with high end retail without problem? Sorry, my brain went straight to thinking about the financial type of "speculation."
 
Oh I see, you mean speculation as in the renders simply assume that the space will be filled with high end retail without problem? Sorry, my brain went straight to thinking about the financial type of "speculation."

More about the "on spec" building of retail. Every building in the Seaport is being built with it (shell & core) in the base, which is good in theory for urbanism, but there's no evidence that the Seaport will be able to sustain & fill all that retail space.
 
Why can't developers fulfill their obligations for "community space" now instead of in the indeterminate future? Why some of this can't be rented out at nominal rent to a library or a bookstore or as a blackbox to a small theater group(s)?
Of course more likely scenario is that they follow One Seaport and convert second floor to a WeWork...
 
The owner could listen to Samuels and charge at-cost rents to make the neighborhood interesting. Suspect that's where we'll get eventually, but it might be the Echelon that does it, given the more innovative ownership there.
 
The owner could listen to Samuels and charge at-cost rents to make the neighborhood interesting. Suspect that's where we'll get eventually, but it might be the Echelon that does it, given the more innovative ownership there.

What gets me is that Samuels says he would like to do this but in his projects he doesn't. Out of all the new buildings in the The Fenway, Samuels's are always the last to fill up their retail spaces.
 
Revolutionary Clinics is proposing a 2nd Cambridge marijuana dispensary at 541 Mass. Ave. There is already a competitor's dispensary just a half mile up the road. Central Sq needs many things but this isn't one of them. While this may be the "highest" use of the space it is not the best.
http://cambridge.wickedlocal.com/ne...dispensary-want-second-shop-in-central-square
https://www.google.com/maps/place/A...c557036c0768f2bd!8m2!3d42.364777!4d-71.102054

Thanks for editorializing.
 
Revolutionary Clinics is proposing a 2nd Cambridge marijuana dispensary at 541 Mass. Ave. There is already a competitor's dispensary just a half mile up the road. Central Sq needs many things but this isn't one of them. While this may be the "highest" use of the space it is not the best.
http://cambridge.wickedlocal.com/ne...dispensary-want-second-shop-in-central-square
https://www.google.com/maps/place/A...c557036c0768f2bd!8m2!3d42.364777!4d-71.102054

Just for the record, there are 4 wine/liquor stores within half a mile of Central Square - don't really see the issue here, even if I probably won't actually use any number of dispensaries that go up.
 
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Revolutionary Clinics is proposing a 2nd Cambridge marijuana dispensary at 541 Mass. Ave. There is already a competitor's dispensary just a half mile up the road. Central Sq needs many things but this isn't one of them. While this may be the "highest" use of the space it is not the best.
http://cambridge.wickedlocal.com/ne...dispensary-want-second-shop-in-central-square
https://www.google.com/maps/place/A...c557036c0768f2bd!8m2!3d42.364777!4d-71.102054

Oh no, two marijuana dispensaries in Central Square? Think of the children. I know we would all much prefer another CVS so we can have even more places dispensing opioids.
 
Revolutionary Clinics is proposing a 2nd Cambridge marijuana dispensary at 541 Mass. Ave. There is already a competitor's dispensary just a half mile up the road. Central Sq needs many things but this isn't one of them. While this may be the "highest" use of the space it is not the best.
http://cambridge.wickedlocal.com/ne...dispensary-want-second-shop-in-central-square
https://www.google.com/maps/place/A...c557036c0768f2bd!8m2!3d42.364777!4d-71.102054

Competition tends to cluster for a reason. It raises everyones sales. That is how a "furniture" district, or a "restaurant row" happens in urban environments. Its organic and it has nothing to do with the place itself. Just that the rent is right and other businesses like yours exist there.
 
Yo! Sushi in Seaport (Seaport Blvd.) has closed after two years. However, it doesn't appear to be due to any patronage issues.

From Boston Magazine

The corporate office of Yo! Sushi tells Boston the closure is a business move following its 2017 acquisition of Bento Sushi. That brand “has a strong presence in North America through its kiosks and supermarket-based sushi bars, [so] our focus in the US has changed. As such, we will be closing the Boston Site as we look to take full advantage of Bento’s already established position as the second largest sushi brand in North America.” Toronto-based Bento Sushi has more than 540 locations in Canada and the U.S., but is not currently in New England.

No big lose to me personally, tried it once and wasn't a fan. Looking forward to seeing what will take its place.


Also, The Barking Crab is apparently closed until early next year for renovations.
 

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