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odurandina

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Cool. Jesus; Bring the excavators already..... the damn City desperately needs these Tremont Crossing/

1 Charlestown/ Andrews Square scale projects completed 2 years ago.
 

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According to the most recently logged document with the bpda this will have 3 towers over 200' but the tallest is only about 245'. (unless there are more recent doc's out there?) For some reason in Boston everything needs to be as close to the same height as possible with the surrounding buildings. The tallest in particular is a big step back from the original proposal.

http://www.bostonplans.org/getattachment/05d4d034-de39-4028-ba84-6b7cb990553c
 

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What does it say when 1 is 245' and the others are below 200' as opposed to 320' and staying around 280' for the rest? "We don't wish to...." What? Solve a housing crisis? What's worse? a few put off residents or a severe housing shortage--and a City lacking the will to solve it?

Planning has improved over the poor & misguided Flynn & Menino era's. Yet, except for Winthrop Square, SST & Harbor Garage, nearly every residential building going for over 8-10 stories (throughout the entirety of Boston) is being built 80~180' too low.

Conversely, put the height on, and you've accomplished strong planning for the future. Foreboding; is those last few floors (left off) would have allowed many more affordable units -- that (apparently the City appears to be fine with doing without). The missed opportunities may not be noticed right away. Down the road--they're going to pay a high price w/ neighborhood fights in places not currently on the radar scope.

The emphasis on squatness across the expanse of Boston and Cambridge is also a lousy look. I'm almost glad 2 Charlesgate W has disappeared. The proposal was 180' too low (anyway).
 
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Planning has improved over the poor & misguided Flynn & Menino era's. Yet, except for Winthrop Square, SST & Harbor Garage, nearly every residential building going for over 8-10 stories (throughout the entirety of Boston) is being built 80~180' too low.
(anyway).
Jesus you're a broken record.

Anyway that plan looks the same as what was posted in August.

It's 656 apartments with 21 stories in the tallest building. 21 stories is taller then anything else in Southie.

And it looks like they made the tallest slightly shorter and the shorter ones slightly higher. Not everything needs to be a skyscraper. This proposal is great
 
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Not everything needs to be a skyscraper.
True. But, Spot Zoning gets an unfair rap. We should embrace it, because of the unique opportunities that exist on some parcels; which in turn, allows for new opportunities across the entire spectrum of neighborhoods. Harrison Albany corridor, Tremont Crossing, Dudley, Serenity, South End, Roxbury, JP, Mission Hill; missing floors.

Time for a round table weekend hosted by Golden, Galer & Rover.

Why no takers at D.O.T. parcels 26, 27, 28? The process... insufficient density to offset the anticipated community malfeasance. Two towers rising to to the FAA height. Planners will need to put more height on the remaining buildings.

This proposal is great... It's 656...
It's just 'good'. "656" not a moment too soon.
 

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This is great. Remember this is literally the first brick in an entirely newly zoned neighborhood. All down dot ave with a new 2nd main corridor as well is being rezoned for high rises. This is just the lynchpin that will get things going.

This development is right in the center of this picture at the bottom of the V and to the left. Note dot ave and the new highly developed main corridor road to its left. Also all of the development possible in the triangle of streets behind this project.
 

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There's no variance of height. Zone it for ~370',

and let the developers get height from lottery balls,

rendering a variance of height in an urban neighborhood in a major US City.


Bonus: will this take 8 years or 36?
 
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This is great. Remember this is literally the first brick in an entirely newly zoned neighborhood. All down dot ave with a new 2nd main corridor as well is being rezoned for high rises. This is just the lynchpin that will get things going.

This development is right in the center of this picture at the bottom of the V and to the left. Note dot ave and the new highly developed main corridor road to its left. Also all of the development possible in the triangle of streets behind this project.
This entire area is going to change very significantly - this is a massive development, and so will Widett (eventually), and so will the public works land (eventually) - not to mention the Flower Exchange and other Albany St developments. But, connectivity is seriously constrained here due to 93 and the rails. The state needs to seriously look into not just transit solutions (?rail viaduct for Track 61) but also more roads to span the tracks and highway - like another bypass road. I know people go ballistic when new roads get brought up, but they are needed in this area to get people from east to west and it's foolish to not start thinking of this issue now.
 

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can someone post the significant pics?
i'm in the "Winds" biking and almost no internet.
 

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Total units up to 746.
Here's the gist of the project & development schedule
Specifically, this First Amendment would
allow for a single new building in place of the approved buildings A and B to now include
approximately 214 residential units and approximately 20,500 square feet of ground floor retail
space (the “Phase I Project”). The Phase I Project will also include approximately 69 parking
spaces, of which 50 will be included in the building and 19 will be on-street

This First Amendment hereby revises Section 4 as “the development of seven new building
projects” referred to as Buildings “A/B” through “H”, inclusive and with the following new
description for Building A/B:
a. Building A/B: Located at the intersection of Dorchester Street and Old Colony
Avenue, this seven-story building with approximately 214 residential units and
approximately 20,500 sf of ground floor retail space. The approved “The Green”
will be relocated to the east side of the new building, combined with a new plaza
and sidewalks along the proposed New Street that will connect Alger Street to
Damrell Street

Development Schedule
23. The Original Plan sets for the Development Schedule on Page 9, Section 17 as follows:
“Construction of the first phase of the Proposed Project is expected to take approximately
18 months and to commence in 2017.”
24. This First Amendment hereby deletes this language on Page 9, Section 17 and replaces it
with the following: “Construction of the first phase of the Proposed Project is expected to
take approximately 18 months and to commence in 2020; the first phase will include only
Building A/B and approximately 112 temporary surface parking spaces on the Buildings E
and G sites. The details about the other construction phases has not been determined at
this time.
So it looks as if only the small lowish building A/B will get done pending????
 

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I hope the City pushes back on the parking -- this seems like a lot of garage space for a dense high-rise right on the Red Line...
 

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