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As is typical here, I'm pretty sure the heights don't include the slanty mechanical tops. That means the taller one should eclipse 300'. That's some serious height for this neighborhood!
 

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They need a last second change to keep the smoke stack. Little pieces of history like that that dont take up much room are always welcomed and make developments more interesting. It would be like a marker saying that something else from another time was once here where you stand and live today.
 

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The smokestack appears to have a cell tower on it, so perhaps they are letting the cell lease time out (rather than buying it out).
They actually put up a temporary cell tower at the corner of the site. So I think its just a matter of time before that smoke stack comes down.
 

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They need a last second change to keep the smoke stack. Little pieces of history like that that dont take up much room are always welcomed and make developments more interesting. It would be like a marker saying that something else from another time was once here where you stand and live today.
It's very cool but don't those things run into lots of maintenance issues?
 

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Whats the time table on this? Is this going to be a phased project or are they just going to start with everything at once?
 

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Smoke stack is gone. Anyone with better photography skills than me able to get any pics?
 

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Ran by this today - on the Old Colony Ave side, there is construction fencing, project info, and cleared land.
 

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Wow, over three years later from the original proposal and still, just one more committee to appear before. I get that you just can't come into a neighborhood and start bulldozing but three years later and still looking for approval from a committee. Maybe I'm not seeing something here (it does take time to demo a site) but there has to be a happy medium for the city, the neighborhood, and the developer for a project to begin construction.
 

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Wow, over three years later from the original proposal and still, just one more committee to appear before. I get that you just can't come into a neighborhood and start bulldozing but three years later and still looking for approval from a committee. Maybe I'm not seeing something here (it does take time to demo a site) but there has to be a happy medium for the city, the neighborhood, and the developer for a project to begin construction.
I don't think it's actually taken three years. This was approved by the BRA two years ago (August of 2016), and environmental work began more than a year ago. Others are no doubt better informed than me, but this last approval could just be a required part of the process, maybe a last check-in to make sure the environmental cleanup meets spec. (This is a guess, since they're meeting the "Property Improvement Commission.")
 

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Just for comparison, the first post for the South Bay Development was 2/11/2015 (Approved 5/13/2016) and it's practically finished. The first post for Washington Village was 4/1/2015 (approved 8/11/2016) and, yes, the ground is cleared with just one final committee to pass inspection but that's it. Granted, there are major differences between the two, Washington Village is massive but South Bay is quite the large project in itself. But why is one practically finished while the other still has one committee to get through? Oh well, glad both are being built. Will add lots of housing and retail to both areas which is a great thing.
 

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Just for comparison, the first post for the South Bay Development was 2/11/2015 (Approved 5/13/2016) and it's practically finished. The first post for Washington Village was 4/1/2015 (approved 8/11/2016) and, yes, the ground is cleared with just one final committee to pass inspection but that's it. Granted, there are major differences between the two, Washington Village is massive but South Bay is quite the large project in itself. But why is one practically finished while the other still has one committee to get through? Oh well, glad both are being built. Will add lots of housing and retail to both areas which is a great thing.
Just pointing out that the three year comment wasn't entirely accurate and that no one knows exactly why it took so long from the date of approval, though environmental remediation - an absolutely necessary step - is a pretty good guess for a large chunk of it. Given all that I don't see the point in comparing unless we have relevant info. Cheers!
 

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FWIW I've driven by this site for the last year about 3 times a week.... its been moribund for seemingly 6 months or maybe more I wasnt keeping track... I didnt see a worker or a truck or anything on it. After they demo'd everything it just sat.
 

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FWIW I've driven by this site for the last year about 3 times a week.... its been moribund for seemingly 6 months or maybe more I wasnt keeping track... I didnt see a worker or a truck or anything on it. After they demo'd everything it just sat.
I live a quarter of a mile away, and as far as I can tell, it's been idle since last year when they put up that scaffold tower.

But I stand ready to take pictures when something new happens.
 

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I wonder when that huge lot directly next to Andrew will get developed. Probably when the masterplan is more set in stone. Either way this development is very much needed for the city.

The numbers are pretty good:
656 apartments (110 "affordable")
98,600 sq ft retail- substantial
Tallest building is 21 stories
Possible grocery store
Dorchester ave "soon" to be rezoned to 300'
440 below ground parking spaces- which we do still need


Adding 656 freaking apartments to one development is great. That doesn't happen every day. Huge win for the area/city.

This development is basically the start of the game changing re-zoning of the areas surrounding Dorchester ave. and Old Colony ave. where buildings up to 300' are going to be allowed to go up. It starts right here and then continues along Old Colony until it meets back up with Dot ave so it wont always stand alone. Its just the start of something much much bigger. In this render it appears they're also going to build a new road on the left of Dot ave extending Ellery st, which hopefully they don't use that name, which will add essentially twice the retail and buildings along the corridor. That will be much better than only lining Dot ave. They're also going to keep the large triangle shaped area of residential houses in tact on Dorchester st. and building behind and around it. I wonder how many thousands and thousands of residential units and retail sq ft would come of this. In the render below these are the buildings in a line to the left of Old Colony Ave. that include the building that says 70'.


Id absolutely say somewhere over 10,000 new apartments would go up in something of this size judging by how many buildings there are and by how many people are in buildings of these sizes. So then taking into account that most apartments usually have 2 or more people in them thats a small city worth of people in this area alone. Id imagine Andrew would be slam packed here.... which it already is. No idea how they could address this in any reasonable way, the trains in this area literally are at capacity now.





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Thanks for pulling these together. Note that there are 2 radically different designs for the tallest building. I'm guessing the final product ends up slightly different but I think the first render (white stripes) is the most recent one.
 

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I believe so too and that version definitely looks the best. The renders are low quality so it makes the buildings look cartoonish, but in real life I think these will look great as all of that is masonry. Either way they all basically show the colors, materials, and the stepped back design here that should look pretty good. It will be pretty drastic when this is the only building in the area for a while before anything else goes up. The amount that this area is going to change is going to be insane.

-A cool thing to note: At first I thought this was a little crazy and out of place, but looking at it on the map it actually is just as far from downtown as the Pru is. When they get rid of usps and reconnect Dot ave this will just be an extension of downtown. Mass Ave behind the Pru to Southampton st goes right to this development and makes a border which contains much of the major development in the city outside of fenway/longwood and then a couple dorms on huntington.


This is something pretty cool too looks like a food truck/market/food stand area with pavers as the roadway.









So this will be a centrally located market that attaches back to Dorchester ave. at the center of all of the new development. Not bad at all.



I also noticed the new buildings that will go on the right of dot ave up by Broadway.
 
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