2016 Presidential Election (General Election)

Who do plan to support for President in the 2016 Election?

  • Hillary Clinton

    Votes: 38 62.3%
  • Donald Trump

    Votes: 6 9.8%
  • Gary Johnson

    Votes: 11 18.0%
  • Jill Stein

    Votes: 3 4.9%
  • Other

    Votes: 3 4.9%

  • Total voters
    61
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My god. Alarmist much? Woman's rights will not take a step backwards. I voted for Trump and care very much about women's rights, as does my wife who also voted for him. Abortion will always be legal in this country, so stop with the fear mongering. As a father of two, I think abortion is awful, but would never support infringing on a woman's right to choose. Give women the proper resources to make informed decisions and provide to them the best care possible if they choose to go that route. I also support gay marriage which goes against some of my peers who vote to the right. I consider myself a moderate Republican who believes everyone shares the sames rights and opportunities. And not by some God, but because that is the right thing to do as decent human beings.

I agree it's alarmist, and your views are spot on. However, there's reason for concern. A sizable portion of Trump's supporters don't feel the same way that you do (he has enthusiastic backing from the KKK for one). Another concern is whether or not Trump, the person (*gulp*- people?) he appoints to the Supreme Court, Congress, and his cabinet share your views. Frankly, I'm on the fence about Trump himself. He's said a lot of awful, awful things and seems woefully inept. However, he's also a showman and an entertainer and brilliantly (or by sheer dumb luck) tapped into a national feeling in order to win the presidency. So my hope (wishful thinking, maybe) is that his actual views are more moderate and that he pandered to the far right as a necessity to get the nomination as well garner enough support for the general election.

Perhaps more practically, he's still a businessman. alienating large segments of the population and turning back the clock on civil rights are not in his best interests economically speaking (or if he hopes to run for a second term- which I doubt). Hopefully this isn't just wishful thinking.

On a different note, the "rigged election" talk being followed up by a Trump win via the Electoral College while seemingly (at least as of right now) losing the popular vote is a bit ironic.
 
I want to understand something.

If Trump voters were supporting him because they believe the voting would be rigged against him, does that mean they now regret their votes because it didn't actually happen?
 
I agree it's alarmist, and your views are spot on. However, there's reason for concern. A sizable portion of Trump's supporters don't feel the same way that you do (he has enthusiastic backing from the KKK for one). Another concern is whether or not Trump, the person (*gulp*- people?) he appoints to the Supreme Court, Congress, and his cabinet share your views. Frankly, I'm on the fence about Trump himself. He's said a lot of awful, awful things and seems woefully inept. However, he's also a showman and an entertainer and brilliantly (or by sheer dumb luck) tapped into a national feeling in order to win the presidency. So my hope (wishful thinking, maybe) is that his actual views are more moderate and that he pandered to the far right as a necessity to get the nomination as well garner enough support for the general election.

Perhaps more practically, he's still a businessman. alienating large segments of the population and turning back the clock on civil rights are not in his best interests economically speaking (or if he hopes to run for a second term- which I doubt). Hopefully this isn't just wishful thinking.

On a different note, the "rigged election" talk being followed up by a Trump win via the Electoral College while seemingly (at least as of right now) losing the popular vote is a bit ironic.
Our fear in the LGBTQ population is not really for Trump. He's shown himself in the past to be shifty on those issues. Our main fear is Mike Pence who believes in LGBTQ conversion therapy (and in IN tried to divert AIDS prevention funding to conversion therapy). He literally believes we can torture with electro shock therapy & pray the gay away. Just thinking of that makes me cry everytime. A majority of youth subjected to conversion therapy end up committing suicide. I just try not to think about it, but it's always there.

My husband cried on my shoulder for hours last night & more this morning.
 
I'm already getting followed and attacked by trump supporters for saying I'm scared as a woman. People are already victoriously spitting vitriol at Muslims.
 
I'm already getting followed and attacked by trump supporters for saying I'm scared as a woman. People are already victoriously spitting vitriol at Muslims.

What does this even mean? People are physically following you and attacking you SOLELY because you are a scared woman? Or are they simply disagreeing with you over your claims that women's rights are going to be taking a step backwards, as I did? Was that an attack on you? Or simply a differing viewpoint?
 
The Real sad part to this is BERNIE SANDERS would have won in a landslide.
Thank Donna Brasille and Debbie Wasserman Schultz for their honorable character representing the democrats interest in the DNC primaries.

Shut this THREAD DOWN

I don't grok with your brand of politics, Rifle, but I'll +1000 you on this one.

HRC lost across so many "rust belt" and "redneck" toss-up states because she had no message for the blue collar working class. She didn't even seem to care. Never visited Wisconsin. She was a product of East Coast Bubble syndrome that said you could win with educated whites and a large turnout among minorities. In effect, she and the DNC ditched labor and hitched their horses to the winners and proponents of free-trade globalism. Oops. Against your standard Republican, that might still have been dangerous. Against Trump, it was a downright disaster. Trump managed to perfectly capture the anger and resentment of the blue-collar working families who have indeed been left behind.

Bernie felt this. He knew this. His campaign was all about it. HRC, for some reason, couldn’t grasp it. Her “deplorables” comment was probably the end of her candidacy - her very own 47-percent moment.

Against these so-called "deplorables" she clearly had major blinders. For example: contrary to everything many of us assumed, it turns out as we can see now that many people actually do hate Obamacare. They hate being forced to pay for insurance that, to them, sucks. Bernie's single-payer system was a real way forward. He could explain it. He could talk about it in ways that made it feel tangible, even if the numbers were still somewhat wonky. He had solutions to actual problems. HRC didn't see the right problems. All she had was boilerplate.

I supported Senator Sanders for three reasons.

First, I felt the power behind his message. As Trump surged, I saw Sanders as an anti-Trump, able to empathize and connect with those who had been forgotten in today’s technology/service economy. Thankfully, I’m not one of those people who has been left behind. I don’t, to be honest, even know many of these people, although I certainly do know some. But I can very easily sympathize with them. I can clearly discern that the newest iPhone apps aren’t putting bread on anyone’s tables. I could see by instinct that it was a message that had found its place and time. And it was the right message. A message that envisioned an America that could be more equitable, more in-it-together, more conscious of itself.

Second, I liked him as a person. He was respectable. Steadfast. Authentic. Relatable. Or at least, that’s how he came across to me.

And third, I couldn’t shake the notion that the DNC’s presumptive coronation of HRC was wrongheaded from the beginning - despite what the New York Times deigned to argue time and again. She had so many clearly apparent negatives about her. She didn’t connect. She had no center. What was she about, beyond being a Clinton? Really: What?

So let me end with this. Yes, Trump maintained and probably encouraged some vile supporters. But most people in this country are looking out for what they feel is in their self-interest, and the interests of their children. The world - I think we can say this with certainty now - looks vastly different if you've grown up in Youngstown than if you've grown up just about anywhere in the Greater Boston area. Call me naive, but I refuse to believe that many or most of these people who gravitated towards Trump are actually racist, misogynist, homophobic, evil, or otherwise backwards. If we lull ourselves into thinking that they were, then we’re only going to fall further. What I fear more than anything is that, in our liberal echo chamber, we’ll be unable to shake the narrative of Trump's “deplorables.” If that’s the case, this country will tear further and further apart.
 
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What does this even mean? People are physically following you and attacking you SOLELY because you are a scared woman? Or are they simply disagreeing with you over your claims that women's rights are going to be taking a step backwards, as I did? Was that an attack on you? Or simply a differing viewpoint?

Internet, I say I'm scared as a woman. Dude starts bringing out clinton conspiracies to tell me I suck (which doesn't help my fears) and the next day he's on other Facebook pages saying how ignorant I must be. I didn't say Fuck trump, I said I was scared. And clearly I should be.

Kind of like how you just discredited my fears by saying I must have been provoking it. No I didn't.
 
@Shephard, your first and last paragraphs I couldn't agree with more.
I rarely share my political choices, but as someone who voted for Obama in 2008, to be called a racist infuriates me. I have voted for both sides, have friends that who are part of the LGBT community whom I love and care for dearly, life long friends who are varied in race and ethnicity and jut cannot fathom being labeled a racist, misogynist, or homophobic because I may not support a particular candidate.
I also feel Bernie would have won had he not been blackballed by the DNC.
As an idealist, I'll continue to teach my boys the importance of equality and acceptance across all spectrums.
 
Internet, I say I'm scared as a woman. Dude starts bringing out clinton conspiracies to tell me I suck (which doesn't help my fears) and the next day he's on other Facebook pages saying how ignorant I must be. I didn't say Fuck trump, I said I was scared. And clearly I should be.

There are extremes on both sides unfortunately. I've been called all kinds of horrible things over the past few months. While I personally think you have nothing to fear, I have no right to tell you how you should think or feel. All I hope is you do not lump all of us into one bucket. And I never said you provoked any ill treatment.
And the internet is a nasty place I have learned. The older I have got, the less I dive into it or post. I am not sure why I am today after being fairly silent over my ten years here, but I feel like I need to add one rational voice to the conversation. Just my opinion.
 
So how will Trump actually implement his promise to create jobs via infrastructure spending? How is he going to get that through a congress that won't even raise the gas tax to pay for Road spending and has used accounting tricks for the last three budgets to find Highway spending? and when Trump says tunnel can we assume but that's our north-south Rail Link or a new railtunnel between New York and New Jersey?
 
So how will Trump actually implement his promise to create jobs via infrastructure spending? How is he going to get that through a congress that won't even raise the gas tax to pay for Road spending and has used accounting tricks for the last three budgets to find Highway spending? and when Trump says tunnel can we assume but that's our north-south Rail Link or a new railtunnel between New York and New Jersey?

MEXICO WILL PAY FOR IT!!!
 
Ha. As I sit here at Haymarket waiting for a nonpacked train to roll through it occurred to me that mass transit in this country is completely and utterly fucked for the foreseeable future. Ha.
 
Ha. As I sit here at Haymarket waiting for a nonpacked train to roll through it occurred to me that mass transit in this country is completely and utterly fucked for the foreseeable future. Ha.
If we really believe that mass transit pays for itself, why are we waiting for the Federal Government to build it?

The idea is that today's investments pay future dividends. Do we believe that or not? If we do (I do) then there should not be a Federal "they" who has to pay for transit. We should be willing to tax ourselves in the knowledge that it will not have to make a round trip to DC before it gets spend on ourselves.

Clinton didn't win Pennsylvania, but it isn't like you couldn't get PA to agree that its heavy industries should be part of, for example, a Virginia-to-Mass program of upgrading the NEC and related rail. The states can borrow for near-as-cheap as the Feds, so why don't we?

If we're net-contributors to DC (generally true), and DC has anti-urban policies (generally true) we should conclude that round-tripping our "Federal" taxes to DC-and-back is (1) likely a net loss for us and (2) yoking us to Red-state voters and priorities.
 
Hopefully, for those willing to learn something, the ideology bubbles have cracked open a bit and you can at least somewhat hear the legitimate concerns of others outside your closed loops of progressive groupthink. Condescension to and smug dismissiveness of your perceived "lessers" has a price, in this case a steep one. Arf, arf, arf indeed.

On a lighter note, for those still interested you can probably get a Clinton speech for about $1.99. Make sure to ask for a steep discount too, you'll likely get it.
 
Related note: Kansas's unilateral tax cuts (the idea of which was to attract wealth-creators to the state) has failed miserably. If we (rightly) rule that Kansas's supply-side experiment is a failure--it proved that wealth does *not* move simply based on top marginal income tax rates-- shouldn't that give us confidence to impose, say a .5% income tax on a new top bracket to pay for transit, confident that our wealthy will stay so they can work in a productive, well educated, mobile state?
 
Hopefully, for those willing to learn something, the ideology bubbles have cracked open a bit and you can at least somewhat hear the legitimate concerns of others outside your closed loops of progressive groupthink. Condescension to and smug dismissiveness of your perceived "lessers" has a price, in this case a steep one. Arf, arf, arf indeed.

On a lighter note, for those still interested you can probably get a Clinton speech for about $1.99. Make sure to ask for a steep discount too, you'll likely get it.

If the graph I posted above is correct, then the 'lessers' voted for Clinton and the 'elites' went for Trump.
 
If the graph I posted above is correct, then the 'lessers' voted for Clinton and the 'elites' went for Trump.

That's correct. Pretty much all the exit polls agreed on that. Bottom 2 income tiers went to Hillary & all the rest up to the top went for Trump. This was not really an uprising of the lower classes at all. The mainstream establishment ended up picking Trump in a moment of shock conformity.

So while the futures markets dropped overnight (and what I based my earlier comment off of), the markets are actually rallying today at prospect of Dodd-Frank & Obamacare repeal. Healthcare, financial & for-profit prison stocks are soaring. Reports from media correspondents of "lock her up" and cheering on the trading floor.

People are investing in healthcare companies because it's anticipated they'll no longer be required to participate in exchanges, provide insurance to children under 26 & once again be able to deny coverage due to pre-existing conditions by repealing the whole ACA. This is the absolutely most disgusting thing ever.
 
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^We still have RomneyCare to fall back on. I expect Massachusetts and other liberal states to keep some form of Obamacare. I can take solace in the fact that we live in Massachusetts and the alt-right does not have much of a presence here. I think our everyday lives are impacted as much by the political choices at the state and local level as they are by our federal government.

Just a short rant

THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE IS THE DUMBEST SYSTEM EVER CREATED. FUCK THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE LETS TRY TO END THIS RIGGED SYSTEM AND BRING BACK POWER TO STATES LIKE MASSACHUSETTS.

Sorry for sounding like rifle but I had to let out some steam on my keyboard.

And just a reminder, who knows what trump will do. We literally have no idea what his actual views are.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPJfKdp3bDs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyFeNEbn2es
 
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So how will Trump actually implement his promise to create jobs via infrastructure spending? How is he going to get that through a congress that won't even raise the gas tax to pay for Road spending and has used accounting tricks for the last three budgets to find Highway spending? and when Trump says tunnel can we assume but that's our north-south Rail Link or a new railtunnel between New York and New Jersey?

Massively cut spending elsewhere then spend all or some of the savings. I wouldn't be so sure the Republican party is all about not spending money. They will spend money if they can take the credit for it.
 
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