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Re: New Tower(s) Planned For Prudential Center

That makes sense still it would be nice if they would build something more like 5 to 10 stories tall.
 
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Czervik.Construction said:
That building is really going to fill that street in quite nicely. If they only could have put the Shaw's underground and build something tall above it......
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The Pike tunnel is right underneath the Shaws, no way to put that underground.
 
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Czervik.Construction said:
That building is really going to fill that street in quite nicely. If they only could have put the Shaw's underground and build something tall above it......
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Shaw's is responsible for building a supermarket on air rights over the Pike out near Newtonville where no other air rights development has taken place - in fact, it's miles away from any other Pike development.

What I'm trying to say here is that if there ever was a supermarket chain that I could see undertaking projects such as a mid-rise residential or office tower built on top and connected directly to their supermarket, it's Shaw's. No burying required, just slap another dozen floors on the top. You could even create a direct connection from the Pru to Shaw's that doesn't require going outside if you designed it right!
 
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Whatever the merits are of its building, I would hardly call the Prudential Shaw's a "waste". It's an essential amenity for the entire Back Bay and South End.
 
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Shaw's/Star is not financially stable right now. The company was just sold again to a property investment firm and they are slashing stores left and right. My father now lives in constant fear of losing his job. Building towers on top of their stores are the least of the priorities sadly right now.

The problem in the burbs is that they are undercut by Market Basket. In the city, they seem to function fine. I'm in favor of Shaw's leaving the unstable suburban market and only focusing on the urban market because Shaw's works very well in downtown Boston.
 
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I hope they leave their fenway dump and sell it to Samuels.
 
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palindrome said:
I hope they leave their fenway dump and sell it to Samuels.
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+1

But I wouldn't object to a Samuels-scale mixed use development there with ground floor retail and a 2nd floor/basement Shaws.
 
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datadyne007 said:
Shaw's/Star is not financially stable right now. The company was just sold again to a property investment firm and they are slashing stores left and right. My father now lives in constant fear of losing his job. Building towers on top of their stores are the least of the priorities sadly right now.

The problem in the burbs is that they are undercut by Market Basket. In the city, they seem to function fine. I'm in favor of Shaw's leaving the unstable suburban market and only focusing on the urban market because Shaw's works very well in downtown Boston.
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I read your facts, above, and have the opposite conclusion. Seems to me that building towers on top of their properties would be *exactly* what they would do given the imperatives you outline, above:
1) Owned by a property investment firm (*who* presumably knows *when* to build towers)
2) Potential re-focus on urban areas--which is *where* to build towers --a tower-on-top is probably the single best way to keep them integrated into places where Market Basket can't follow

They've go the who, when, and where of tower-building all lined up.
 
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Arlington said:
I read your facts, above, and have the opposite conclusion. Seems to me that building towers on top of their properties would be *exactly* what they would do given the imperatives you outline, above:
1) Owned by a property investment firm (*who* presumably knows *when* to build towers)
2) Potential re-focus on urban areas--which is *where* to build towers --a tower-on-top is probably the single best way to keep them integrated into places where Market Basket can't follow

They've go the who, when, and where of tower-building all lined up.
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Building any sort of tower on that parcel would require nothing short of hiring Arup (and a heck of a lot of money) to figure out the insane structural engineering needed to build vertically there.
 
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datadyne007 said:
Building any sort of tower on that parcel would require nothing short of hiring Arup (and a heck of a lot of money) to figure out the insane structural engineering needed to build vertically there.
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I heard you to make a general statement about "building towers on top of their stores" not "building a tower there".
 
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I think you are missing my point. In NYC, they buried a massive Whole Foods under the Time Warner Center and underneath the Bloomberg building there is a huge Home Depot.
It is not an either or - they could have put the Shaws on the first floor (given the MA Pike underneath) and put a building on top of it.


Ron Newman said:
Whatever the merits are of its building, I would hardly call the Prudential Shaw's a "waste". It's an essential amenity for the entire Back Bay and South End.
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Czervik.Construction said:
I think you are missing my point. In NYC, they buried a massive Whole Foods under the Time Warner Center and underneath the Bloomberg building there is a huge Home Depot.
It is not an either or - they could have put the Shaws on the first floor (given the MA Pike underneath) and put a building on top of it.
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Yes, there's definitely a trend of supermarkets at the base of tall buildings. TimeWarner Center in NYC is one. Another is proposed at the base of a new tower in Long Island City, NY. But there's also been this full-size Safeway under Rosslyn VA for at least 15 years. And you see Walmart proposing midrises on top of its urban stores, like this proposal to get themselves into DC:
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Oh, lord, I thought that was an image of the Ink Block for a moment.
 
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I also like that the rendering shows a Starbucks next to a Wal-Mart. Keep dreaming Wal-Mart, that will be a honeydew donuts.
 
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Starting to show from across the river









 
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def will be seen on the skyline fom both the river^ and the ocean side>
 
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