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Re: Developer plans $300M project for Fenway
^^There's a 24 hour bowling alley?
^^There's a 24 hour bowling alley?
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Re: Developer plans $300M project for Fenway
The part of the Esplanade behind BU is pretty wide -- it would amaze me to find a BU student who never went there.
The 24-hour bowling alley is Boston Bowl in Neponset, an area that very few college students would have any reason to visit. (Things might be different if the Braintree Red Line branch stopped there instead of just passing through.)
The part of the Esplanade behind BU is pretty wide -- it would amaze me to find a BU student who never went there.
The 24-hour bowling alley is Boston Bowl in Neponset, an area that very few college students would have any reason to visit. (Things might be different if the Braintree Red Line branch stopped there instead of just passing through.)
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I go there often it has a large mixed urban crowd,what u would expect in Dot,Dorchester also has a large college population,I know I rent to them,the Braintree line stopping around there somewhere would be a great asset!
I go there often it has a large mixed urban crowd,what u would expect in Dot,Dorchester also has a large college population,I know I rent to them,the Braintree line stopping around there somewhere would be a great asset!
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Dorchester has a large college population? Where do they live? Do they all go to UMass-Boston?
Dorchester has a large college population? Where do they live? Do they all go to UMass-Boston?
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They live between Dot Ave. and the Red Line, north of Fields Corner. They go to UMass and any other Red Line accessible college.
They live between Dot Ave. and the Red Line, north of Fields Corner. They go to UMass and any other Red Line accessible college.
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If Samuels wants to make it work, and I've said this before, incorporate elements of the nearby park into the neighboorhood. That way, you make Red Sox Nation feel all warm and fuzzy.
I'm not saying that this is a bad idea, but look at what St. Louis is doing with Ballpark Village. Aside from the tax credits, this is a fine idea.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-01-19/ballpark-village-plan-in-st-louis-moves-forward.html
If Samuels wants to make it work, and I've said this before, incorporate elements of the nearby park into the neighboorhood. That way, you make Red Sox Nation feel all warm and fuzzy.
I'm not saying that this is a bad idea, but look at what St. Louis is doing with Ballpark Village. Aside from the tax credits, this is a fine idea.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-01-19/ballpark-village-plan-in-st-louis-moves-forward.html
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The whole point of these developments is to create a mixed use neighborhood which DOESN'T depend completely on the ballpark and has its own activity year round. The whole 'Save Fenway Park' movement to block construction of a new ballpark adjacent to Fenway was a direct reaction AGAINST expanding a baseball centric Disneyland along Boylston Street. What is being developed now is a far healthier urban and economic environment.
The whole point of these developments is to create a mixed use neighborhood which DOESN'T depend completely on the ballpark and has its own activity year round. The whole 'Save Fenway Park' movement to block construction of a new ballpark adjacent to Fenway was a direct reaction AGAINST expanding a baseball centric Disneyland along Boylston Street. What is being developed now is a far healthier urban and economic environment.
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^ Thank you. Sometimes I wonder about Bostonians who think expansion/relocation of sports venues is some kind of crucial piece of the urban economy, as if there'd be no possibility of jumpstarting development without them. Did they just move here from Denver or Dallas or something?
^ Thank you. Sometimes I wonder about Bostonians who think expansion/relocation of sports venues is some kind of crucial piece of the urban economy, as if there'd be no possibility of jumpstarting development without them. Did they just move here from Denver or Dallas or something?
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New article. Pretty much rehashes everything we have already heard. Community has some minor concerns, but overall supports this project. Construction at the end of this year/early 2012. I'm pretty excited to watch this one rise.
http://www.boston.com/yourtown/news/fenway-kenmore/2011/02/fenway_reacts_to_proposed_mixe.html
New article. Pretty much rehashes everything we have already heard. Community has some minor concerns, but overall supports this project. Construction at the end of this year/early 2012. I'm pretty excited to watch this one rise.
http://www.boston.com/yourtown/news/fenway-kenmore/2011/02/fenway_reacts_to_proposed_mixe.html
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Re: 1325-1341 Boylston St (Fenway Triangle/Former Goodyear Tire)
From that article linked above:
"Another concern regards parking, with the Civic Association questioning the need to add 107 parking spaces to the site when there are existing garages at nearby buildings and expressing concern that "Big Box" retailers will overwhelm parking capacity."
If your the developer how do you respond to that and not come off as a smart ass.
From that article linked above:
"Another concern regards parking, with the Civic Association questioning the need to add 107 parking spaces to the site when there are existing garages at nearby buildings and expressing concern that "Big Box" retailers will overwhelm parking capacity."
If your the developer how do you respond to that and not come off as a smart ass.
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My point isn't whats ultimately best for the area, it's that they're saying there is going to be too much parking, followed imediately by there wont be enough.
My point isn't whats ultimately best for the area, it's that they're saying there is going to be too much parking, followed imediately by there wont be enough.
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I think they meant traffic capacity, not parking. It's the only way that statement would make any sense in context.
Grrr, can't go back and reread the article because of stupid Boston.com registration.
I think they meant traffic capacity, not parking. It's the only way that statement would make any sense in context.
Grrr, can't go back and reread the article because of stupid Boston.com registration.
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The article has been edited:
"Another concern regards parking, with the Civic Association questioning the need to add 107 parking spaces to the site when there are existing garages at nearby buildings and expressing concern that "Big Box" retailers will overwhelm traffic capacity.
Finally, the Civic Association suggests ?Olmsted Street? or ?Olmsted Avenue,? for the new street, a name that would fit Frederick Law Olmsted?s original, alphabetic plan for naming the streets in the neighborhood (Ipswich, Jersey, Kilmarnock, Landsdowne, etc.)."
I like the name touch.
And yes, the area is packed with garages, no need for more. Especially with the planed 7 billion space monster over the pike.
The article has been edited:
"Another concern regards parking, with the Civic Association questioning the need to add 107 parking spaces to the site when there are existing garages at nearby buildings and expressing concern that "Big Box" retailers will overwhelm traffic capacity.
Finally, the Civic Association suggests ?Olmsted Street? or ?Olmsted Avenue,? for the new street, a name that would fit Frederick Law Olmsted?s original, alphabetic plan for naming the streets in the neighborhood (Ipswich, Jersey, Kilmarnock, Landsdowne, etc.)."
I like the name touch.
And yes, the area is packed with garages, no need for more. Especially with the planed 7 billion space monster over the pike.
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Oh my god, I think we had a 14 page debate on this naming scheme somewhere on ArchBoston. I think the conclusion was that it wasn't really Olmstead's naming scheme at all, nor was it completely a continuation of the Back Bay grid, but a bunch of streets named after Scottish locations from Robert Burns' poems, since a statue of Burns (since relocated to Winthrop Square downtown) used to stand in the West Fens.
Oh my god, I think we had a 14 page debate on this naming scheme somewhere on ArchBoston. I think the conclusion was that it wasn't really Olmstead's naming scheme at all, nor was it completely a continuation of the Back Bay grid, but a bunch of streets named after Scottish locations from Robert Burns' poems, since a statue of Burns (since relocated to Winthrop Square downtown) used to stand in the West Fens.
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http://maps.bpl.org/details_12679/?srch_query=fenway&srch_fields=all&srch_style=exact&srch_fa=save
Was the map that showed one of Olmsted's naming schemes. There wasn't a grid in Olmsted's plans, but the intention of the naming scheme was to use up the remaining alphabet after Hereford. The Street Laying Out Department always had a grid map similar to what was eventually built. After the issues with developing the South End to a non uniform grid compared to the state's success with Back Bay, I doubt the city wanted any more odd shaped parcels
http://maps.bpl.org/details_12679/?srch_query=fenway&srch_fields=all&srch_style=exact&srch_fa=save
Was the map that showed one of Olmsted's naming schemes. There wasn't a grid in Olmsted's plans, but the intention of the naming scheme was to use up the remaining alphabet after Hereford. The Street Laying Out Department always had a grid map similar to what was eventually built. After the issues with developing the South End to a non uniform grid compared to the state's success with Back Bay, I doubt the city wanted any more odd shaped parcels
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What issues did the South End's 'non-uniform grid' cause?
What issues did the South End's 'non-uniform grid' cause?
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That map doesn't include Kilmarnock St. And it's very difficult to see any pattern emerging from the streets, other than the Scottish origin of their names / possible Burns connection. Other than Ipswich and Jersey (and now Kilmarnock) there's no order to the pattern - Lansdowne is often cited as part of the scheme, but isn't a north-south street like the others.
I'm not sure this question will ever be answered satisfactorily without discovering a trail of written documentation somewhere.
That map doesn't include Kilmarnock St. And it's very difficult to see any pattern emerging from the streets, other than the Scottish origin of their names / possible Burns connection. Other than Ipswich and Jersey (and now Kilmarnock) there's no order to the pattern - Lansdowne is often cited as part of the scheme, but isn't a north-south street like the others.
I'm not sure this question will ever be answered satisfactorily without discovering a trail of written documentation somewhere.
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czsz,
It's very common to use alphabetical street names to avoid repeating similar names when planning a new district. Someone pointed out that the development of the St. Botolph neighborhood follows the same logic.
When the Back Bay Fens were conceived as an extension of Back Bay it made all the sense in the world to continue where the alphabet left off. What Olmsted originally drew and the Street Laying Out Department actually implemented is of course a whole different story.
The whole Scottish name thing probably caught the attention of the Burn's fanboys at the time. Somehow that led to different Scottish names other than Olmsted's original choices being used. I'm guessing someone with city connections thought it was a splendid idea. Same with how most of the streets in the park and East Fenway were either named, or renamed, after the important people of the day.
Incidently most of the streets in the South End followed a naming convention after major railroad stops and British counties. Much better than suburbia, where the trees are cut down and have streets named in memoriam.
Read Seashole's Gaining Ground for all the details. It caused problems with uneven quality of fill, speculation, and zoning style issues. The South End was supposed to be the Back Bay before the Back Bay. All the issues with development led to the different and far more stringent guidelines which ultimately defined the Back Bay.
czsz,
It's very common to use alphabetical street names to avoid repeating similar names when planning a new district. Someone pointed out that the development of the St. Botolph neighborhood follows the same logic.
When the Back Bay Fens were conceived as an extension of Back Bay it made all the sense in the world to continue where the alphabet left off. What Olmsted originally drew and the Street Laying Out Department actually implemented is of course a whole different story.
The whole Scottish name thing probably caught the attention of the Burn's fanboys at the time. Somehow that led to different Scottish names other than Olmsted's original choices being used. I'm guessing someone with city connections thought it was a splendid idea. Same with how most of the streets in the park and East Fenway were either named, or renamed, after the important people of the day.
Incidently most of the streets in the South End followed a naming convention after major railroad stops and British counties. Much better than suburbia, where the trees are cut down and have streets named in memoriam.
Read Seashole's Gaining Ground for all the details. It caused problems with uneven quality of fill, speculation, and zoning style issues. The South End was supposed to be the Back Bay before the Back Bay. All the issues with development led to the different and far more stringent guidelines which ultimately defined the Back Bay.