Four Seasons Tower @ CSC | 1 Dalton Street | Back Bay

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Pheldy34 said:
I'm guessing top of Horn Pond?
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Yes it's the top of the hill by Horn Pond, up the Nolan Trail. Park in the main lot, start circling clockwise, but then split left (keeping the fenced off electrical area to your left) while the pond-side path continues to the right. This will take you to the base of the hill, and there's a paved path called the Nolan Trail (in memory of Nolan Webster who died unexpectedly on a trip in Mexico). It's pretty steep but you can be up it within about 5-6 minutes. Then the views are either from the bench or from the rock directly beyond it.
 
DZH -- I think we have to dub you are roving reporter [local TV journalist-speak]
You probably have a handle on nearly every good vantage point within good Telephoto range of downtown Boston

NICE! 😜 :geek:🤩 -- 3 Smilies
 
whighlander said:
DZH -- I think we have to dub you are roving reporter [local TV journalist-speak]
You probably have a handle on nearly every good vantage point within good Telephoto range of downtown Boston

NICE! 😜 :geek:🤩 -- 3 Smilies
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Thanks whighlander! I have done approximate counts in the past and probably know at least 40. Obviously some are much more convenient for me than others!
 
Jokes aside -

It’s astonishing, honestly. Not really sure how it’s even possible this could be a thing for a project worth over a billion dollars, branded by a world class hotel whose ethos is predicated on immaculate detail and impeccable standard. It’s been a YEAR. Give me like ya know, a normal friggin window to fill it instead. Apparently common man clear, non-tinted windows are not good enough in the interim so let’s just load in some rotty ply. Sounds about right.

I’m looking forward to the 30 for 30 doc about the real story of one dalton’s now permanent* plywood windows. There is a story to tell here...
 
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I don't generally mind Boston's dark skyline at night, but the lack of any kind of architectural lighting at the top is really bad... this building really sticks out in the dark because it looks like the top three floors where the mech penthouse is are without power. It looks odd next to the lit up Pru and 111 Huntington next door.
 
They should install soft lighting for the top 2 floors of the crown, within each indent. A little bit could go a long way. It's sad that the city doesn't seem to care about this kind of stuff. They blew it with MT (open roof and no lighting) and now they're blowing it here too.
 
I wholeheartedly agree ^^^.

I'm confused why Boston has no apparent recourse when significant (to me, anyway) aspects of proposals that are approved wind up not being delivered -- in MT's case the covered roof and in 1 Dalton's the lit-up Four Seasons logo. FWIW, I like your idea of lighting up the grooves of 1Dalton's mechanical penthouse, but I'm assuming the failure to deliver on the lit-up logo (and MT's roof) would be more actionable (maybe?). Like, I'd suspect there'd be a way to point to the proposals that were green-lit and say, "Hey -- you (MT) promised a roof, and you (1 Dalton) promised an illuminated logo. Get crackin!"
 
meddlepal said:
I don't generally mind Boston's dark skyline at night, but the lack of any kind of architectural lighting at the top is really bad... this building really sticks out in the dark because it looks like the top three floors where the mech penthouse is are without power. It looks odd next to the lit up Pru and 111 Huntington next door.
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You probably won't be getting architectural lighting at the top, because such lighting interferes with the navigational ability of migrating birds flying at night. Hancock Tower in Chicago would collect as many 1500 dead birds on the sidewalk in the morning before the architectural lighting was shut off. The condo owners don't want birds crashing into their windows, and the hotel doesn't wan t to disturb its guests by their having to step over and around bird carcasses.

www.nytimes.com

Kill the Light, Save a Bird (Published 2005)

Tourists have always flocked to see the bright lights of New York City, but starting this week, the city is dimming parts of its renowned skyline to ward off one group of visitors: migratory birds. The Chrysler Building, Rockefeller Center, the Citigroup Center, the Morgan Stanley Building and...
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Dimming exterior lighting for two specific chunks of the calendar year is way different from having zero exterior lighting at all: "Thus the city's skyscrapers will defer to nature at least twice a year: by dimming their lights in September and October, during the peak of the fall migratory season, and again in April and May, during the peak of the spring migratory season."
Morevoer, the two neighboring towers that meddlepal referenced -- the Pru and 111 Huntington -- both have exterior lighting that is considerably brighter than a subtle, lit-up Four Seasons logo and I haven't heard or read about flocks of dead birds on the sidewalks beneath those buildings.
 
chrisbrat said:
Dimming exterior lighting for two specific chunks of the calendar year is way different from having zero exterior lighting at all: "Thus the city's skyscrapers will defer to nature at least twice a year: by dimming their lights in September and October, during the peak of the fall migratory season, and again in April and May, during the peak of the spring migratory season."
Morevoer, the two neighboring towers that meddlepal referenced -- the Pru and 111 Huntington -- both have exterior lighting that is considerably brighter than a subtle, lit-up Four Seasons logo and I haven't heard or read about flocks of dead birds on the sidewalks beneath those buildings.
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Putting the bird issue aside it’s a waste of energy, serves no real purpose and it’s one more thing that needs to be serviced regularly and could potentially require costly repairs either at the expense of the hotel or condo owners.
 
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kmp1284 said:
it’s one more thing that needs to be serviced regularly and could potentially require costly repairs either at the expense of the hotel or condo owners.
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I guess that logic explains why they're choosing to go with plywood instead of glass windows on certain floors. :p
 
chrisbrat said:
I guess that logic explains why they're choosing to go with plywood instead of glass windows on certain floors. :p
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See here for a little primer on the windows they’re using.

https://www.onedalton.com/media/2019/03/archive_6.pdf

Now that you understand the complexity involved do you seriously think that they’re intentionally dragging their feet? Obviously someone, somewhere f’ed up but I’m sure there’s a good reason for this.
 
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