Four Seasons Tower @ CSC | 1 Dalton Street | Back Bay

Oh wow, nice. Where did you find it?

I wasn't too far off. ;-)
 
^^ Data, I blogged about this tower a few weeks ago and had that floorplan. It was in one of the docs submitted to the BRA... like a PNF or NPC I think.
 
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This image is in my head every time I look under this thread.
 
From the detail in the residential floor plan, NOBODY is buying these as a primary residence.
 
Mongo said:
Why would you say that?
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There is no storage; these basically are either two or three room glorified hotel suites, with one room serving as a living/dining/kitchen/entertainment space.

Anyone who has this as a primary residence will combine two or three of the condos..
 
stellarfun said:
There is no storage; these basically are either two or three room glorified hotel suites, with one room serving as a living/dining/kitchen/entertainment space.

Anyone who has this as a primary residence will combine two or three of the condos..
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Stel -- the whole idea of living in a building with a hotel down below -- is that you are living in what amounts to a private hotel with access to the regular hotel for any kind of service such as prepared food, etc.
 
stellarfun said:
There is no storage; these basically are either two or three room glorified hotel suites, with one room serving as a living/dining/kitchen/entertainment space.

Anyone who has this as a primary residence will combine two or three of the condos..
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I have to disagree. Your comment makes me wonder what kind of apartments you've been in to think there is something unusual about these. No, they aren't laid out like a 4000 square foot colonial in Wellesley, but have as much or more storage as any apartment in the city - luxury or otherwise. They have a laundry room and every bedroom has en suite bath. They look eminently livable. For me personally, I would use one bedroom for office and "stuff", but that is exactly what I have to do now and I rent a (small) house.
 
fattony said:
I have to disagree. Your comment makes me wonder what kind of apartments you've been in to think there is something unusual about these. No, they aren't laid out like a 4000 square foot colonial in Wellesley, but have as much or more storage as any apartment in the city - luxury or otherwise. They have a laundry room and every bedroom has en suite bath. They look eminently livable. For me personally, I would use one bedroom for office and "stuff", but that is exactly what I have to do now and I rent a (small) house.
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I've been involved for two years with another Four Season's Residences, where the number of units, even before construction, was reduced by a third, because prospective buyers thought them too small. And nobody expects that the future owners will use them as primary residences.

Link below is to a small condo development in Washington. Condos are sized between 3,300 and 4,300 sq ft. All units sold within about a week for all cash. These are big enough that they might be primary residences, but the all cash transaction makes me doubt that. One of the units is already being flipped before the building is completed.

http://dc.urbanturf.com/articles/blog/eastbancs_1055_high_sells_out_to_seven_all-cash_buyers/8623
 
stellarfun said:
I've been involved for two years with another Four Season's Residences, where the number of units, even before construction, was reduced by a third, because prospective buyers thought them too small. And nobody expects that the future owners will use them as primary residences.

Link below is to a small condo development in Washington. Condos are sized between 3,300 and 4,300 sq ft. All units sold within about a week for all cash. These are big enough that they might be primary residences, but the all cash transaction makes me doubt that. One of the units is already being flipped before the building is completed.

http://dc.urbanturf.com/articles/blog/eastbancs_1055_high_sells_out_to_seven_all-cash_buyers/8623
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You aren't really suggesting that a condo needs to be >3,000 sq ft to be a primary residence, are you?

Many (even most) of these will not be used a primary residence, but that is because of the location and price point, not the design. If you put the exact same floor plan on the market at $500 per sq ft you'd see them gobbled up and lived in by working Bostonians in a heartbeat.
 
Is it possible each unit gets a storage area in a basement or lower level where they can store things like golf clubs, polo equipment, countless pairs of never used women's shoes and pocketbooks and their beluga caviar?
 
fattony said:
You aren't really suggesting that a condo needs to be >3,000 sq ft to be a primary residence, are you?

Many (even most) of these will not be used a primary residence, but that is because of the location and price point, not the design. If you put the exact same floor plan on the market at $500 per sq ft you'd see them gobbled up and lived in by working Bostonians in a heartbeat.
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I didn't see a 100 sq ft shoe closet, so right away, I knew these weren't primary residences.

And why do you suppose the garage is so small. Because they won't be keeping their chauffeured limousines there?
 
Equilibria said:
All financing has been secured:

http://www.bizjournals.com/boston/r...cures-680m-in-financing-for-four-seasons.html

Had we seen the 2018 completion date before? Three years is pretty typical, but that still feels a long way off.
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It was announced as 2017 in August:
KentXie said:
Construction expected to kick off next year and finished by 2017 in the most recent article on the globe.

http://www.boston.com/realestate/news/blogs/renow/2014/08/coming_attracti.html
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http://www.archboston.org/community/showpost.php?p=210537&postcount=731
 
Thank you for the above pics. I walked by a couple days ago and couldn't actually see anything that was going on. It takes that elevated view to really get a feel for the excavation.

I'm not a fan of the mockup for the shorter building. The windows look good, but the beige looks like the rest of the area, which is basically the ugliest area of the whole city outside of the West End. At least the taller building won't also be beige, but it seems like it's the default color for all the ~300' buildings by the Pru. Trying to "fit in" with the Hilton, Sheraton, and also BB Marriott and Westin hotels should be discouraged!
 
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