Green Line Extension to Medford & Union Sq

Re: Green Line to Medford to start in 2011

No, he's in good shape (in that regard, at least).

Actually, he may be in trouble...he and Keating are frequently coming up as being districted into someone else's district due to the loss of one of the seats, his being so far away from the bulk of the district barely attatched leaves his city open to being absorbed by the 7th or the 8th district.
 
Re: Green Line to Medford to start in 2011

Keeping with an architectural theme -- here's my definition of a congressional district:

Districts shall be constructed to minimize their perimeters (anti gerymander) conistent with:

1) being simply connected -- no unconnected satellites

2) when-ever possible districts should follow existing city/town boundaries

3) Whenever possible distrincts should fully encompass traditional geographic / societal features --e.g. Berkshires, Cape Cod


Anyone want to discuss this as time is approaching for the Legistlatiure to act based on the new census data
 
Re: Green Line to Medford to start in 2011

Looks like there might be more legal action over the Green Line.

From http://www.boston.com/news/local/ma...n_line_delay/?rss_id=Boston.com+--+Local+news

Somerville blasts Green Line delay
Aldermen call for questioning of state officials
By Matt Byrne
Globe Correspondent / August 26, 2011

SOMERVILLE - The Board of Aldermen passed a resolution last night calling for top state transportation officials to appear before it to answer for the recent delay of the Green Line extension project and urged the city’s mayor to explore renewing legal action against the Commonwealth.

“I want them to come before [the board] and tell us what their plan is because I don’t see one here,’’ said Alderman Robert C. Trane, one of the sponsors of the resolution. “If they’re not going to fund this, what are they going to fund? I think there is a little bit of a shell game going on here.’’

The resolution is the latest maneuver from a municipality that has embraced the extension as a cornerstone of a development plan that, if brought to fruition, would in time remake large, underdeveloped swaths of East Somerville. Aldermen said that area is underserved by public transit and plagued by noise and air pollution from adjacent Interstate 93.

But those development plans looked to be partially derailed last month, when the state announced in an annual report that trolley service to the extension would likely start no sooner than 2018 and as late as 2020. They attributed the delay to concerns over the acquisition of 19 parcels of real estate required to build the line, previously slated for completion by 2014.

Mayor Joseph A. Curtatone of Somerville, an outspoken proponent of the extension who promised last month to hold the state accountable, has been in talks with the Conservation Law Foundation, a nonprofit that in 2006 sued the state to legally require the extension to be built to offset increased pollution caused by the Big Dig.

Curtatone may now renew that legal fight, city officials confirmed yesterday.

No state officials attended last night’s meeting.

The nonbinding resolution, which will be sent to Governor Deval Patrick, incoming State Transportation Secretary Richard Davey, and state environmental authorities, is largely symbolic but contains some of the strongest calls yet for action.

“Our only hope to be self-sustaining was this Green Line,’’ said Alderman at Large William A. White Jr. “They’ve basically given us the middle finger.’’

White, who also sponsored the resolution, effectively accused the state of stringing along residents who live in East Somerville nearest I-93 and who have been forced to bear the brunt of air and noise pollution from the busy roadway.

Hundreds of thousands of dollars and countless man-hours have been expended planning for the line, said board president Rebekah Gewirtz. Under the pretense of propelling transit-oriented development, the city also underwent a lengthy process to rezone the Union Square area, which would receive a station under the extension, said Maryann Heuston, a board member.

Matt Byrne can be reached at mbyrne.globe@gmail.com
 
Re: Green Line to Medford to start in 2011

If they really are sincere -- why don't they find a private partner who would benefit from TOD and acquire the parcels and then lease the ROW to the T -- the Sommerville Alderman is exibiting the worst kind of entitelment thinking -- which is rapidly becomming an anachronism

Why do the rest of the people in the Commonwealth and indeed some poor folks in Idaho (since there is a Urban Mass Transi administration funding component) have to make good Sommervilles' plans for rezoning Union Square
 
Re: Green Line to Medford to start in 2011

If they really are sincere -- why don't they find a private partner who would benefit from TOD and acquire the parcels and then lease the ROW to the T -- the Sommerville Alderman is exibiting the worst kind of entitelment thinking -- which is rapidly becomming an anachronism

Why do the rest of the people in the Commonwealth and indeed some poor folks in Idaho (since there is a Urban Mass Transi administration funding component) have to make good Sommervilles' plans for rezoning Union Square
Why do the people in Greater Boston have to fund roads out in the Berkshires and in the Midwest?

Relying on private funding alone is idiocy, due to there being a dearth of private contractors who wish to get involved with public transit.
 
Re: Green Line to Medford to start in 2011

If they really are sincere -- why don't they find a private partner who would benefit from TOD and acquire the parcels and then lease the ROW to the T -- the Sommerville Alderman is exibiting the worst kind of entitelment thinking -- which is rapidly becomming an anachronism

Why do the rest of the people in the Commonwealth and indeed some poor folks in Idaho (since there is a Urban Mass Transi administration funding component) have to make good Sommervilles' plans for rezoning Union Square

Greater Boston puts far, far more into funding for the rest of the Commonwealth and places like Idaho than the other way around. If that ratio were more fairly and equitably distributed toward populated areas, we wouldn't be having this discussion at all; the Green Line extension would have been long since completed.
 
Re: Green Line to Medford to start in 2011

It's odd that the proposed Washington Street (Brickbottom) station is on the south side of the street rather than the north. It would better serve the dense residential neighborhood to the north if located on the north side of Washington Street. Maybe they're expecting a massive amount of TOD south of Washington Street, but I doubt it.
 
Re: Green Line to Medford to start in 2011

Why do the people in Greater Boston have to fund roads out in the Berkshires and in the Midwest?

Relying on private funding alone is idiocy, due to there being a dearth of private contractors who wish to get involved with public transit.

If I remember corectly, private money from Boston built the Union Pacific Railroad -- of corse some of the prople who did the fumding did quite well by their investment in the rest of the courntry
 
Re: Green Line to Medford to start in 2011

If I remember corectly, private money from Boston built the Union Pacific Railroad -- of corse some of the prople who did the fumding did quite well by their investment in the rest of the courntry

That was before government subsidized interstate highways. Private rail can't compete against public roads. Private roads, perhaps so.
 
Re: Green Line to Medford to start in 2011

That was before government subsidized interstate highways. Private rail can't compete against public roads. Private roads, perhaps so.

Read your history. The federal government subsidized the railroads all over the place by basically handing them the land for net to nothing and "clearing" the lands of existing populations.
 
Re: Green Line to Medford to start in 2011

The government subsidized the construction of railroads and later highways. The difference has been that the government has continued to pick up the tab for highway maintenance, where rail roads were expected to do their own maintenance. If we were to privatize highways into entities similar to successful freight railroads the result would likely be better highways for trucking and a drastic change to land use and commuting habits.
 
Re: Green Line to Medford to start in 2011

Where would the profit come from in privatized roads? Tolls?
 
Re: Green Line to Medford to start in 2011

Where would the profit come from in privatized roads? Tolls?

Tolls but mostly selling the land that the new roads opened up (this is how streetcars were financed).
 
Re: Green Line to Medford to start in 2011

Tolls but mostly selling the land that the new roads opened up (this is how streetcars were financed).

In the 1800's the Feds had no cash -- so how did they subsidize / support the construction of the transcontinental railroad --- they had land and so they traded land for railroad

Today no government has any money yet we want infrastructure -- so to subsidize / support the construction of roads, transit and perhaps highspeed rail -- the various gov'ts should offer a no tax on real estate nor on income derrived from the land for the first 25 years and throe-in relaxed regulations on use

Kind of TOD writ Large
 
Re: Green Line to Medford to start in 2011

Phased construction could speed Green Line's extension to Medford, Somerville
http://www.boston.com/yourtown/news...construction_1.html?p1=HP_Well_YourTown_links



Governor Deval Patrick and Transportation Secretary Richard A. Davey met Wednesday with state legislators and local officials to discuss a plan to build in phases the extension of the Green Line to Medford and Somerville, which could kick-start construction, officials confirmed today.

The phase appproach would likely allow early station construction to begin while planners finalize the design of stops farther down the line.

The meeting follows the announcement last month that service on the billion-dollar extension project would start no sooner than 2018 and as late as 2020 so the state could acquire more than a dozen parcels of land along the proposed railway.

"We were happy to hear that the governor is still committed to moving forward," said Senator Patricia Jehlen of Somerville, who was joined by Senator Sal DiDomenico, and representatives Denise Provist, Timothy J. Toomey, Carl Sciortino, and Sean Garballey. Also present were officials from Medford, Somerville, and US Congressman Michael E. Capuano's office.

"We want to see shovels in the ground," Jehlen said.

The delay drew anger and frustration from many in the two communities north of Boston, which have awaited the line's arrival for close to a decade. News of the deal also prompted the City of Somerville to petition the state and Patrick to honor a commitment to break ground before the governor leaves office in 2012. So far, nearly 2,800 have signed the petition online.

"This is a project we have to do," said Cyndi Roy, spokeswoman for MassDOT. "The governor and Secretary Davey want to see that timeline sped up."

The state is bound to complete the extension project after it lost a lawsuit filed by the Conservation Law Foundation that sought to mitigate air pollution caused by the Big Dig. After the environmental group emerged victorious, the onus was on the Commonwealth to complete transit projects that would take cars off the road and improve air quality for cities impacted by the traffic of Interstate 93 and other roadways.

But despite the legal mandate, funding woes and planning delays have dogged the extension, with the state repeatedly pushing back projected start dates. If built as currently planned, the line would extend to Route 16 in Medford, and would service a swathe of the region previously accessible only by bus or commuter rail.

The project has been central to city plans to redevelop parts of formerly industrial Somerville, a city whose public transportation needs have grown. Now, as Somerville remakes its image as a desirable destination, Mayor Joseph A. Curtatone has increased pressure on state lawmakers to speed the process so that economic development may follow.

"We are leaving a whole lot more money on the table if we don't get started on this project," said Curtatone, referring to the boon he and others predict will spring from areas previously less accessible by public transit, such as Union Square and the Inner Belt.

While a phasing process would in the short-term favor Somerville as the community to receive service first, Jehlen stressed that the local delegates agreed that the line must be extended to Medford to be considered a success.

"Everybody in the meeting said that you need to go west," said Jehlen, who was reached by phone.

Still unaddressed, though, are concerns about how the state will pay for it all. Estimates peg the cost at more than $1 billion.

"That's what we're going to roll our sleeves up and work out now," said Curtatone, who acknowledged that the state, with approximately $19 billion in deferred transportation liability, is not in the strongest position to fund a massive capital project.

"What people in the Commonwealth need to understand is that if you want a 21st century economy you need a 21st century transportation system," Curtatone added.

How the state will pay for the extension remains unclear, he said.

"The Commonwealth doesn't have a billion dollars to spend today. I know the governor, and he's trying to be creative," said Curtatone. "We can't continue to kick the can down the road."
 
Re: Green Line to Medford to start in 2011

As anyone with a decent amount of experience in real estate knows, "Coming in Phase 2" means it will never, ever, ever happen.
 
Re: Green Line to Medford to start in 2011

This isn't a Phase I and Phase 2 type deal, though.

This is opening each station as it is finished. All would assumably be under construction at the same time. The only real Phase 2 here is between Tufts and Medford, which isn't even mentioned, and which you're right about, won't happen.
 
Re: Green Line to Medford to start in 2011

The couple RLX's were done this way.

Termini at Quincy Center, Porter, Davis, etc.
 
Re: Green Line to Medford to start in 2011

The couple RLX's were done this way.

Termini at Quincy Center, Porter, Davis, etc.

Sort of. There was a very long delay in finishing the Braintree extension because of community infighting over the placement of the last two stops. Quincy Adams was a compromise choice over the originally planned North Braintree & South Braintree stops. And that's why the extension, which opened in 1971 to QC, didn't reach Braintree until 1980 and QA, being chosen late as 2nd choice, had trains skip it until 1983 when it was belatedly finished.

The Alewife extension did open sequentially: Harvard in '83, Porter & Davis on the same day in '84, Alewife in '85. But trains actually deadheaded from Harvard to crossovers at Davis to switch ends. So technically it was only 2 phases for running trains and the tracks to Davis were in use from the day new Harvard opened. Alewife station was actually sitting waiting and finished a year earlier, but the tunnel under the Fitchburg Cutoff wasn't quite ready. They did, after all, have to cut-and-cover under a lot of wetlands on the approach to the station and past it where the underground yard is. The tunnel actually curves under the Minuteman and extends 1000 feet, crosses the Arlington town line, and ends roughly midfield at Thorndike Field to support the 3-track yard and align it on the right trajectory for the canceled Lexington extension.


I'm very skeptical that this GLX phasing is anything but placeholder spin until they actually say what the phasing is going to be. You can't just open it station-by-station because not every station is going to have turnback crossovers. It'll have to be in larger chunks than that. They also haven't answered the most obvious question: why have they not committed to building the Union Sq. extension first. That is by far the easiest one because they just do the Lechmere relocation, construction of the flyover overpass where the branches split, install a 4th deck on the Medford St. overpass (abutment's already there for it), and build retaining walls and station. Less than one mile of track work, the Fitchburg Line does not require commuter rail track shifting like the Lowell Line does, and with tail tracks at the station they can operate this branch well ahead of construction of the new maintenance facility (any lost storage capacity can be offset at North Station yard or on the unused 2nd track between the Gov't Center loop peel-out and Haymarket outbound). And can operate without purchase of new cars.

That one is very doable even if the rest utterly collapses. The fact that they are not saying anything about Union as a path-of-least-resistance way to get shovels in ground quickly and get Lechmere across the street is VERY conspicuous by omission. The longer they talk about phasing without specifics like that the more everyone's got good reason to doubt their intentions.
 

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