Logan Airport Flights and Airlines Discussion

Hainan's inaugural Beijing to Boston non-stop flight is now airborne and on its way to Boston. I believe this will now be Boston's longest non-stop flight as far as distance is concerned topping both Tokyo and Dubai.
 
mass88 said:
Hainan's inaugural Beijing to Boston non-stop flight is now airborne and on its way to Boston. I believe this will now be Boston's longest non-stop flight as far as distance is concerned topping both Tokyo and Dubai.
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Yes it is the longest but its very close. The routes are all within 75 miles of one another.

Beijing - 6732 miles
Tokyo - 6702 miles
Dubai - 6663 miles

I always wonder if the Dubai-Boston leg may actually take the longest when you have a strong wind since you would be going against that wind and the flight path is furthest away from being a "polar route".
 
http://www.forbes.com/sites/tedreed...nabled-hainan-airlines-boston-beijing-flight/

A user over on airliners.net posted the above article talking about China-US air service and mentions the new Beijing-Boston route. It also goes on to state that Boston is the 6th largest market to China from the US and about 400,000 people fly annually between Boston and Asia - that's over 1,000 passengers a day each way. I am sure that number is going to rise with the addition of the Beijing non-stops.
 
^Interesting the line about Delta identifying Boston as a major focus. Would be cool to see them focus on the city and grow their route network internationally. They've cut back quite a bit on the city since their heyday, correct?
 
choo said:
^Interesting the line about Delta identifying Boston as a major focus. Would be cool to see them focus on the city and grow their route network internationally. They've cut back quite a bit on the city since their heyday, correct?
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Well, Delta better hustle. While Boston fits with the ancient "Northern Tier" strategy that NW had and that seems to be coming back now that Delta has NW management (SEA-MSP-DTW-BOS....), the stats below say that for Q1:

JetBlue = 29%
AA+US = 24%
Delta = 13%
United = 12%
SWest = 6%

While Delta has the best Terminal (esp now that Continental's moved out), they need to double in size to beat a combined US+AA. Given that DL has both China Eastern (Shanghai Hub) and China Southern (Beijing hub) partners in SkyTeam, its looking a bit careless that they let Hainan launch Boston service first. I don't know how they're going to compete with AA and B6 without more international feed.

This comes from another Forbes article by the same author (from May) discussing UA's new self-service-yet-fully-staffed check in in Term B.
 
Arlington said:
Well, Delta better hustle. While Boston fits with the ancient "Northern Tier" strategy that NW had and that seems to be coming back now that Delta has NW management (SEA-MSP-DTW-BOS....), the stats below say that for Q1:

JetBlue = 29%
AA+US = 24%
Delta = 13%
United = 12%
SWest = 6%

While Delta has the best Terminal (esp now that Continental's moved out), they need to double in size to beat a combined US+AA

This comes from another Forbes article by the same author (from May) discussing UA's new self-service-yet-fully-staffed check in in Term B.
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Those numbers may not include regional carriers (Shuttle America, ExpressJet, etc.) so the legacy carrier numbers may be higher except for an unmerged American who does not have any regional carriers flying for them at Logan.
 
Arlington said:
Well, Delta better hustle. While Boston fits with the ancient "Northern Tier" strategy that NW had and that seems to be coming back now that Delta has NW management (SEA-MSP-DTW-BOS....), the stats below say that for Q1:

JetBlue = 29%
AA+US = 24%
Delta = 13%
United = 12%
SWest = 6%

While Delta has the best Terminal (esp now that Continental's moved out), they need to double in size to beat a combined US+AA. Given that DL has both China Eastern (Shanghai Hub) and China Southern (Beijing hub) partners in SkyTeam, its looking a bit careless that they let Hainan launch Boston service first. I don't know how they're going to compete with AA and B6 without more international feed.

This comes from another Forbes article by the same author (from May) discussing UA's new self-service-yet-fully-staffed check in in Term B.
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Delta deferred the Northwest 787 order until 2019, or 2020 I believe. So they do not possess the needed aircraft. China Southern has some 787s I believe, but their route network to North America is tiny.
 
mass88 said:
Delta deferred the Northwest 787 order until 2019, or 2020 I believe. So they do not possess the needed aircraft. China Southern has some 787s I believe, but their route network to North America is tiny.
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China Southern's true megahub is also Guangzhou not Beijing though they do serve more destinations from Beijing than Hainan does.
 
adamh8297 said:
Those numbers may not include regional carriers (Shuttle America, ExpressJet, etc.) so the legacy carrier numbers may be higher except for an unmerged American who does not have any regional carriers flying for them at Logan.
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JetBlue = 29%
AA+US = 24%
Delta = 13%
United = 12%
SWest = 6%

I see what you mean..the shares above only total 84% so I can easily see that the US*/DL* aren't in there. Still, if you apportion the 16% that's unaccounted for across US, DL and some scraps to B6 and UA, the best DL does is get to ~20% where JetBlue and AA+US are both around ~30%
 
Arlington said:
JetBlue = 29%
AA+US = 24%
Delta = 13%
United = 12%
SWest = 6%

I see what you mean..the shares above only total 84% so I can easily see that the US*/DL* aren't in there. Still, if you apportion the 16% that's unaccounted for across US, DL and some scraps to B6 and UA, the best DL does is get to ~20% where JetBlue and AA+US are both around ~30%
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B6 does not have any regional: Cape Air would be stand alone service.

Do you have the link to that page? Is it domestic market share only? Also, is it the one that gives a pie chart for every airport right? I couldn't find it earlier.
 
adamh8297 said:
B6 does not have any regional: Cape Air would be stand alone service.

Do you have the link to that page? Is it domestic market share only? Also, is it the one that gives a pie chart for every airport right? I couldn't find it earlier.
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Nope. From Forbes article:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/tedreed/2014/05/02/sure-united-has-problems-but-it-still-innovates-at-boston-logan/

I didn't try to confirm these with an "official"/better source because my original point works with even roughly-correct numbers: DL is an obvious #3 at BOS (not an easy rank from which to build a "focus city") and that for strong/unique connection-building, they've muffed (so far) PEK or PVG.
 
Arlington said:
Nope. From Forbes article:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/tedreed/2014/05/02/sure-united-has-problems-but-it-still-innovates-at-boston-logan/

I didn't try to confirm these with an "official"/better source because my original point works with even roughly-correct numbers: DL is an obvious #3 at BOS (not an easy rank from which to build a "focus city") and that for strong/unique connection-building, they've muffed (so far) PEK or PVG.
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I did find it - it is actually Bureau of Transportation Stats

http://www.transtats.bts.gov/airports.asp?pn=1&Airport=BOS

Check Atlanta's or Newark's page out and you will see ExpressJet is in the Top 5 since it does flying for Delta and United at that airport.
 
Massport released the May numbers for Logan.

YTD passenger numbers stand at 12,106,731, an increase over YTD 2013 of 4.5%.

YTD international passenger numbers stand at 1,757,728, an increase over YTD 2013 of 5.7%.

YTD domestic passenger numbers stand at 10,312,885, an increase over YTD 2013 of 4.3%.

Looks like Massport is combining the Dubai and Istanbul flights into the Middle East. Average load on a Middle East flight is at 244 passengers.

Load Factors:

JAL - 169 passengers (91%)
Copa - 94 passengers (76%)
 
mass88 said:
Looks like Massport is combining the Dubai and Istanbul flights into the Middle East. Average load on a Middle East flight is at 244 passengers.
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It will be hard to do the TK numbers as well since the aircraft could be different on a given day.

I did a quick calculation: if Emirates had a 100% load factor (worst case scenario for TK) the Istanbul flights for the month would have an average range of loads of 69 to 75% (199 passengers) depending on the aircraft flown.
 
Arlington said:
DL is an obvious #3 at BOS (not an easy rank from which to build a "focus city") and that for strong/unique connection-building, they've muffed (so far) PEK or PVG.
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They do serve 25 destinations and I do believe they time the US flights to Europe flights. However, I don't see Delta doing trans-pac from BOS unless they mend fences with Korean Air and start Seoul.
 
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