Logan Airport Flights and Airlines Discussion

http://airchive.com/blog/2014/07/08/us-airways-cuts-some-boston-flights/

All regional flying may be cut by US and AA on the following routes.

Buffalo
Pittsburgh
Harrisburg PA
Syracuse
Rochester NY


With the exception of Boston-Richmond which definitely has been axed, I'm not 100% sure if this is true since a thread on this was removed by moderators on another site.

I think JetBlue will start Boston-Rochester, doubtful on Syracuse, not a chance for Harrisburg.
 
adamh8297 said:
http://airchive.com/blog/2014/07/08/us-airways-cuts-some-boston-flights/With the exception of Boston-Richmond which definitely has been axed, I'm not 100% sure if this is true since a thread on this was removed by moderators on another site.
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The issue is that people are able to book travel on every route but Richmond after 11/1. It's been commented up both on Airliners.net and the Airchive blog post itself, which doesn't have a quoted source.

In other words, it's possible. Not in any way definitely true.
 
adamh8297 said:
I think JetBlue will start Boston-Rochester, doubtful on Syracuse, not a chance for Harrisburg.
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JetBlue seems bigger in SYR (flying both JFK and MCO) than in ROC (only JFK), so I'd think that JetBlue would try them both, and also try to keep Delta out.

If JetBLue's Boston hub is going to grow from here, its going to be by jumping in at moments like this, especially if they have a station there.

Of course if Delta wants to make good on building up in BOS, then this is the moment to try to get a bigger critical mass than AA/US has. That seems the more telling question.
 
If this happens, at least JetBlue still offers year round, daily non-stop flights to both Pittsburgh and Buffalo.

Also, I have to wonder how many spare 190s JetBlue has lying around to start any service to upstate New York? Perhaps they could get some better utilization from their Boston ops to handle any potential additions?
 
Arlington said:
JetBlue seems bigger in SYR (flying both JFK and MCO) than in ROC (only JFK), so I'd think that JetBlue would try them both, and also try to keep Delta out.
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Rochester is a bigger market from BOS though. I wonder if you could stimulate traffic with a daily to Syracuse with a larger plane once daily since a 37 seat plane is currently being used. It may be tough since US was doing it 2x daily to cater to business traffic (morning and evening departure on both ends)


Arlington said:
If JetBlue's Boston hub is going to grow from here, its going to be by jumping in at moments like this, especially if they have a station there.
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They have already increased Richmond service going up to 5 daily E190 in January.

Arlington said:
Of course if Delta wants to make good on building up in BOS, then this is the moment to try to get a bigger critical mass than AA/US has. That seems the more telling question.
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Delta is getting a gift if this is all true with some new bullets to be fired (Buffalo and Pittsburgh) if JetBlue starts Atlanta, Minneapolis or Cincinatti.
 
Hainan Airlines landing yesterday (July 20) - 1 month of service anniversary!

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adamh8297 said:
Delta is getting a gift if this is all true with some new bullets to be fired (Buffalo and Pittsburgh) if JetBlue starts Atlanta, Minneapolis or Cincinatti.
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I'm not sure Delta would have a markedly different response if JetBlue started ATL or MSP compared to when they started DTW. Delta certainly wouldn't even bat an eye if they started Cincinnati. Delta will always own ATL, MSP and DTW point of sale, but JetBlue in BOS is a force to be reckoned with. JetBlue won't concede anything in BOS and it is certainly not a market that Delta really finds worth fighting for (all too much, anyway).
 
omaja said:
I'm not sure Delta would have a markedly different response if JetBlue started ATL or MSP compared to when they started DTW. Delta certainly wouldn't even bat an eye if they started Cincinnati. Delta will always own ATL, MSP and DTW point of sale, but JetBlue in BOS is a force to be reckoned with. JetBlue won't concede anything in BOS and it is certainly not a market that Delta really finds worth fighting for (all too much, anyway).
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I've been living in Detroit for 2 1/2 years and travel back to boston almost monthly. Until JetBlue started flying direct Boston-Detroit recently, Delta was the only game for direct to Boston. Since Jetblue started, I've only been flying with them. Cheaper flights (sometimes significantly), tvs on every seat with about 40 channels, less crowded planes, and they start boarding from the back of the plane then towards the front, something that most other airlines don't do and always infuriated me. Also, first checked bag is free. I may never fly Delta again!
 
greenline said:
Hainan Airlines landing yesterday (July 20) - 1 month of service anniversary!

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They are increasing the daily service run for about three months next year as well.

"Hainan Airlines has outlined initial operational frequencies for Beijing – Boston route in Summer 2015 season. As of 15JUL14, the airline operates 5 weekly instead of 4, from 03MAY15 to 01JUN15, daily from 02JUN15 to 27AUG15"

Source: http://www.routesonline.com/news/29...s-boston-s15-operation-changes-as-of-15jul14/
 
greenline said:
Seems like the loads are good enough to warrant extra summer service. I wonder how long it will take before we see year round daily service - maybe more equipment is needed.

Also, looks like my photo didn't embed properly, here it is.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/cfsf6rkocjgl8bz/hainan.jpg
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They have 8 787's and two on order. There's about 25-30 planes in front of these two on Boeing's assembly line schedule so it may be a while. They could always lease if need be but it looks like all of those owned by the leasing companies are claimed.

Great picture by the way!!
 
Massport has released the numbers for the month of June.

Total airport passengers for June 2014 – 2,938,917 (up 4.2% vs. June 2013)
Total international passengers for June 2014 – 508,965 (up 9.7% vs. June 2013)
Total domestic passengers for June 2014 – 2,420,596 (up 3.0% vs. June 2013)

YTD total passengers through June 2014 – 15,045,648 (up 4.4% vs. YTD through June 2013)
YTD international passengers through June 2014 – 2,266,693 (up 6.6% vs. YTD through June 2013)
YTD domestic passengers through June 2014 – 12,733,4781 (up 4.0% vs. YTD through June 2013)

Average load to Europe during June – 228 pax
Average load to Asia during June – 183 pax
Average load to the Middle East during June – 238 pax
Average load to Central America during June – 101 pax
 
mass88 said:
Massport has released the numbers for the month of June.

Total airport passengers for June 2014 – 2,938,917 (up 4.2% vs. June 2013)
Total international passengers for June 2014 – 508,965 (up 9.7% vs. June 2013)
Total domestic passengers for June 2014 – 2,420,596 (up 3.0% vs. June 2013)
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Average load to Europe during June – 228 pax
Average load to Asia during June – 183 pax
Average load to the Middle East during June – 238 pax
Average load to Central America during June – 101 pax
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Wow! That international growth is really good to see (hasn't it also come at a time when the combined AA/BA have cut an LHR frequency YOY?)
 
Arlington said:
Wow! That international growth is really good to see (hasn't it also come at a time when the combined AA/BA have cut an LHR frequency YOY?)
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Yes, I believe BA is running LHR-BOS 3 x daily year round and then they add in an additional frequency to make it 4 x daily from May through October.

edit: Looks like they run 24 x weekly during the non peak months.

But the additions of Hainan, Emirates, Copa and Turkish are really pushing the numbers up.
 
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Do you think these international numbers include an increase of people from other parts of the country flying to Logan and changing planes to fly to Europe, the Middle East, and Asia? BOS is not known as a connecting flight international airport and I'm thinking that that may now be changing.
 
I'd say it is a combination of both, with the bulk being people starting and ending their trips in Boston. According to various people on airliners.net, Logan does see a somewhat decent amount of connecting passengers. Not anywhere near what say Miami, Charlotte, or Atlanta get. But people do connect through Boston.

People who would normally fly out of Manchester, or Providence to go somewhere may now being choosing to fly a non-stop out of Boston. My uncle's company has operations over in China near Beijing. He (along with several co-workers) has to make monthly trips over there and he is now using the Boston-Beijing non-stop flight instead of flying Providence-Chicago-Beijing. He lives about 15 minutes from PVD and instead makes the drive up to Boston as it saves a ton of time.
 
That's huge. I wonder when the connect C-E more how much JetBlue, as the biggest airline at Logan, will reorder some of its schedule to hit connecting flights for passengers coming from non-international cities (Pittsburg, Buffalo, Raleigh) or 1 stop cross country US to Europe (Seattle, SF, LA, SD).
 
mass88 said:
I'd say it is a combination of both, with the bulk being people starting and ending their trips in Boston. According to various people on airliners.net, Logan does see a somewhat decent amount of connecting passengers. Not anywhere near what say Miami, Charlotte, or Atlanta get. But people do connect through Boston.
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What Miami (AA), Charlotte (USAir), Atlanta (Delta), Chicago (United, AA), NYC (Delta, AA), Washington Dulles (United), Detroit (Delta) have that Logan doesn't have is a domestic legacy carrier to funnel people in through their hub cities and onto international destinations. I agree with Choo that Jet Blue will probably be the airline (Delta already does some of this) that fills this void and funnels domestic passengers into Logan to fly internationally. And once the online travel services (Expedia/Orbitz/Travelocity, etc. begin to use Logan as an alternative to say, JFK, I believe you'll see an even greater pick-up of connecting passengers.
 
atlantaden said:
. I agree with Choo that Jet Blue will probably be the airline (Delta already does some of this) that fills this void and funnels domestic passengers into Logan to fly internationally.
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I think you mean either transatlantic or transpacific.

You can already fly Seattle-Boston-Aruba which is a connection to an international flight.

I think JetBlue is going to lean on the partners, especially Emirates, South African and eventually Aer Lingus, for the international links and tie them into TrueBlute. Its very similar to Alaska Airlines setup in Seattle. The only difference is that Delta is being very aggressive in Seattle.

mass88 said:
Massport has released the numbers for the month of June.

Average load to Europe during June – 228 pax
Average load to Asia during June – 183 pax
Average load to the Middle East during June – 238 pax
Average load to Central America during June – 101 pax
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I played with the Asia and Middle East numbers a bit.

Turkish and Emirates had a 87.7% load factor combined. Willing to bet it was more like low to mid 90's for Emirates and low 80's for Turkish.

Japan Airlines and Hainan combined had a 95.4% load factor. If Japan Airlines had a 100% load factor, the Beijing flight would have had a 79.4% load. However, if Japan airlines had a 95% load factor, the Beijing flight would have had 98.3% load.
 
adamh8297 said:
Turkish and Emirates had a 87.7% load factor combined. Willing to bet it was more like low to mid 90's for Emirates and low 80's for Turkish.

Japan Airlines and Hainan combined had a 95.4% load factor. If Japan Airlines had a 100% load factor, the Beijing flight would have had a 79.4% load. However, if Japan airlines had a 95% load factor, the Beijing flight would have had 98.3% load.
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Those as super as they look? (I have no idea what any of these "new" carriers normally expect as load factors, but they look awesome)

So, given that these are doing well, where do future additional flights to these parts of the globe come from?
What would the expectation be:
1) More flights ffrom existing carriers (up to daily and then more than 7 weekly)
-or-
2) Some other carrier enters with a 4-weekly service to some other big market?
(Shanghai? Hong Kong? What's big/hot transpacific?)
(what's next transatlantic? A response from a Delta partner (more AMS or CDG?))
 
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