Logan Airport Flights and Airlines Discussion

Those as super as they look? (I have no idea what any of these "new" carriers normally expect as load factors, but they look awesome)

So, given that these are doing well, where do future additional flights to these parts of the globe come from?
What would the expectation be:
1) More flights ffrom existing carriers (up to daily and then more than 7 weekly)
-or-
2) Some other carrier enters with a 4-weekly service to some other big market?
(Shanghai? Hong Kong? What's big/hot transpacific?)
(what's next transatlantic? A response from a Delta partner (more AMS or CDG?))


I think the biggest response already happened. Emirates is upgauging the plane next week to Boeing 777-300ER which adds 88 seats to the Boston-Dubai route. Its a good move to make Etihad or Qatar think twice before coming in.

We will see Shanghai, Seoul (best transpac hub overall) or Hong Kong sometime in the next 2-5 years.

Europe is well covered though a summer seasonal Barcelona flight may be the only lacking item. I would keep you eye on one recent development. Etihad has just purchased 49% of Alitalia and may move the Rome hub back to Milan This may result in a summer seasonal Rome plus a year round Boston-Milan or even a 1-stop Boston-Milan-Abu Dhabi on Etihad.
 
We will see Shanghai, Seoul (best transpac hub overall) or Hong Kong sometime in the next 2-5 years.
Gee, its time for Delta and SkyTeam to show some hustle and get their partners China Eastern (at Shanghai) and Korean (at Seoul) flying nonstop to Boston.
 
Those as super as they look? (I have no idea what any of these "new" carriers normally expect as load factors, but they look awesome)

So, given that these are doing well, where do future additional flights to these parts of the globe come from?
What would the expectation be:
1) More flights ffrom existing carriers (up to daily and then more than 7 weekly)
-or-
2) Some other carrier enters with a 4-weekly service to some other big market?
(Shanghai? Hong Kong? What's big/hot transpacific?)
(what's next transatlantic? A response from a Delta partner (more AMS or CDG?))

Boston-Europe is already a pretty well served market. You have year round, daily non-stop flights to all of the major hubs - Frankfurt, Zurich, Paris, Amsterdam and London. Plus non-stop flights to Reykjavik, Istanbul, Munich, Dublin, Shannon, Madrid (seasonal), Lisbon (seasonal) and Rome. As mentioned a summer seasonal flight to Barcelona may be a good add, but other than that, the market is served well enough.

Korean Air to Seoul makes the most sense, imo. Incheon is a massive hub and Korean Air has several 787s on order from Boeing. I don't think we'll see another Asian carrier start service into Logan before 2019. The service would probably be geared towards those connecting through Seoul instead of Boston. Korean Air already has a solid US network (Atlanta, Chicago, Dallas, Houston, Las Vegas, Los Angeles, New York, San Francisco, Seattle and Washington, D.C.) and they probably funnel a good portion of US connecting traffic via Atlanta.

Massport has done a fantastic job over the last 2-3 year in attracting new service. Really there are not too many airport that have had as good a run as Logan since 2012. I am hoping it all sticks around for a long time.
 
Korean air would be my pick for Asia. As a business market and destination its personally attractive. A second China city (Shanghai or Hong Kong) seems likely just based on the China side success of the Beijing route (assuming it maintains). Longer term may be India and deep Latin America as a new market but beyond that, Logan has the world pretty well covered.
 
http://press.jal.co.jp/en/release/201407/003007.html

Japan Airlines is making a big change to the Boston schedule shortly: The departure time from Tokyo (Narita) to Boston will be changed from late morning to evening. This will enable connections to Singapore, Manila, Bangkok, Beijing, Shanghai, Hong Kong (I believe you could already connect with Cathay), Taipei (Taoyuan) and Kaohsiung. Singapore and Bangkok were previously available before JAL cut their Narita redeyes. Other currently available connections are Kuala Lumpur, Jakarta, Delhi, Hanoi, Ho Chi Minh City, Seoul-Incheon, Busan.

They will have a 787 on the ground for 19 hours at Logan.


Really there are not too many airport that have had as good a run as Logan since 2012.

Probably just Dallas and Houston.

Miami could go on a better run soon and get Tokyo, Dubai and Istanbul flights.

Longer term may be India.

India is just a basket case to deal with: government bureaucracies etc. I don't know if Etihad can straighten Jet Airways out or if Lufthansa can straighten Air India out.
 
From Pew research via Boston.com, you see why Boston might be a good bet for another Asia nonstop.
(and not a bad place for JetBlue's Dom. Rep. service)
Single Largest Country-Source of Immigration by US State
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(you certainly see why Continental's Houston IAH Mexico/Latin hub was a hit, back in the 1990s)
 
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Boston-Europe is already a pretty well served market. You have year round, daily non-stop flights to all of the major hubs - Frankfurt, Zurich, Paris, Amsterdam and London. Plus non-stop flights to Reykjavik, Istanbul, Munich, Dublin, Shannon, Madrid (seasonal), Lisbon (seasonal) and Rome. As mentioned a summer seasonal flight to Barcelona may be a good add, but other than that, the market is served well enough..

So you feel that a direct flight to one of the Scandinavian countries, say Copenhagen or Stockholm, isn't necessary for New England businesses and travelers? Or is there just no market for it? It seems like SAS once flew into Logan years ago but not sure about that.
 
Wow, so much for "diversity"... Outside the Northeast it doesn't look very global at all, or natural.

It hides diversity since it is only listing the top country for each state. It doesn't list the percentages either.

A list of the top 5 countries for each state would show more diversity.

I did find a list for Massachusetts for 2009 - For me no surprises except Canada.

1. Brazil
2. China
3. Dominican Republic
4. Portugal
5. India
6. Haiti
7. Vietnam
8. Canada
9. El Salvador
10. Guatemala

Source - http://www.ilctr.org/promoting-immi...tts-immigrants-by-the-numbers-second-edition/
 
China is understandable as the Chinese place a high premium on education.
 
Keep your eye on Massport Capital Project L1346 A380 Accommodations
The proposed scope of the project shall include, but not be limited to, design construction and commissioning of approximately 85,000 gsf of both new construction and renovation of existing space. The goal of the project is to reconfigure and provide the required services to accommodate A380 Group VI aircraft. In support of this goal the project will investigate the reconfiguration and modification of existing gates #7B, 8A and 8B to allow for the installation of new two-level aircraft boarding jet bridges and vertical circulation nodes at these gates. The addition of departure level concourse holding rooms and arrivals level de-boarding areas, adequately sized to accommodate A380 Group VI aircraft, with concession areas and other support spaces. Reconfiguration and expansion of the existing security checkpoint and re-composure zone. Relocation of existing land side concession areas to secure side areas. Reconfiguration of the holding room at gate E6.

Improve passenger access and circulation from the east end of the terminal at gates E1A and E2A to the main terminal concourse. An addition of a third level shell space to be available for Airline Club fit-out. Renovation, reconfiguration and expansion of the existing corridor connection to Immigrations and Customs from both the west and east end of the terminal. Modification and renovation of baggage claim. Modification and renovation of the existing taxi lanes and the existing apron to accommodate the aircraft.
The page above is still a placeholder (not out for bids), but according to the presentations linked below, it looks like construction happens in 2015 with completion by 2016 as the West Concourse on E.

http://www.acecma.org/acecma/file/FY2014/Burdi-MassPort-PRES.pdf
https://www.massport.com/media/240479/For-MPA-website-FY14-18-Capital-Program.pdf
 
Logan Airport's newest airline is already looking at expanding its service here

Jon ChestoManaging Editor, Print- Boston Business Journal

The newest airline to touch down at Logan Airport might seem strangely familiar to travelers who flew frequently in the 1980s.

People Express — or, as the airline calls itself, PEOPLExpress — is back.

This isn’t the same discount carrier that flew out of Newark International Airport during the Reagan era, expanded quickly and eventually needed to land into the arms of Continental Airlines.

But its new owners certainly are hoping to capitalize on some name recognition by launching a new airline this year with the same brand. The new airline is based out of Newport News, Va., and its first flights began a month ago, after substantive delays, to three cities: Boston, Pittsburgh, and the old People Express’ home base of Newark, N.J. The flights here are taking place on Boeing 737 jets, with 136 seats. People Express currently leases the jets from Vision Airlines, which is also providing the crews.

“All three (airports) have exceeded our expectations, with Boston leading the pack,” People Express CEO Jeff Erickson tells me. “We’re quite a bit ahead of plan.”

Erickson says the daily flights between Logan Airport’s Terminal E and the Newport News/Williamsburg International Airport are doing so well, the company is already considering adding additional service to the route. The move would in part be aimed at offering connecting flights for New Englanders who want to travel to some of the airline’s other destinations in the South: The company starting flying into West Palm Beach, Fla., a couple weeks ago and service to Atlanta starts Friday. At the end of August, People Express will also be flying three times a week to St. Petersburg and New Orleans.

The return of People Express has been promoted in Virginia, but not so much in Massachusetts, at least not yet. Erickson says the marketing efforts may eventually broaden to include other regions but he didn’t give me a timetable for when that would happen.

Erickson says the rights to People Express were apparently allowed to expire a couple years ago, so the new owners picked them up without having to buy them from another airline.

But if People Express takes off, Erickson and his team should probably give more credit to Southwest Airlines than to People Express’ corporate namesake from the ‘80s. That’s because the new People Express has been launched to fill the gap that was left when AirTran’s service ended to the Hampton Roads region as a result of Southwest’s acquisition of that airline.

“All of AirTran’s service out of Newport News ended two years ago when Southwest took them over,” Erickson says. “We’re simply looking to take advantage of that.”

Boston Business Journal:http://www.bizjournals.com/boston/blog/mass_roundup/2014/07/logan-airports-newest-airline-is-already-looking.html?page=all
 
Emirates started using their Boeing 777-300ER instead of the 777-200LR on the Boston route (EK 237/238) since Friday. This adds nearly 90 seats on the route each day.

Any thoughts on A380? Personally, I would rather see a double-daily.
 
I too would rather see double daily Dubai-Boston than a daily 380.

Either way it's nice to see Logan getting non-stop service on another wide body variant. Apart from the occasional sub by BA, the 77W has been a rare visitor to Logan.
 
If it's on Delta's website then Logan is, indeed, considered a Delta hub but compared to most of the other Delta hubs, Logan is certainly the tiniest hub. But hey, you gotta start somewhere.
 
If it's on Delta's website then Logan is, indeed, considered a Delta hub but compared to most of the other Delta hubs, Logan is certainly the tiniest hub. But hey, you gotta start somewhere.

Bear in mind that there is absolutely no official definition for "hub" in this context. There is really no chance that Delta would build a connecting hub at Logan due to geographic location, so this is PR more than anything else (note that JetBlue does not have a "hub" at Logan, but rather a "focus city").
 

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