Logan Airport Flights and Airlines Discussion

FlyingDutchman said:
New Cathay Pacific service announced! 4 times weekly starting May next year. Logan is on a roll!
http://www.bostonglobe.com/business...story.html?s_campaign=email_BG_TodaysHeadline
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and a nice picture from the Globe:
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FlyingDutchman said:
New Cathay Pacific service announced! 4 times weekly starting May next year. Logan is on a roll!

http://www.bostonglobe.com/business...story.html?s_campaign=email_BG_TodaysHeadline
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Article states "About 330,000 passengers fly annually between Logan and Hong Kong. The vast majority of those passengers continue on from Hong Kong to the other 44 Asian cities Cathay Pacific serves, according to MassPort."

That 330K number cannot be right or Cathay would have been here 5 years ago.
 
Wow is all I have to say. Boston went from having zero flights to Asia to adding 3 year round flights in roughly 3 years.

The unfortunate thing is that this bird will never be seen in the daylight at Boston.
 
adamh8297 said:
Article states "About 330,000 passengers fly annually between Logan and Hong Kong. The vast majority of those passengers continue on from Hong Kong to the other 44 Asian cities Cathay Pacific serves, according to MassPort."

That 330K number cannot be right or Cathay would have been here 5 years ago.
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Since it talks about them as if they're flying right now, the statistic was probably (before the Globe got ahold of it) the # who fly between BOS and the 44 Asian Cities Cathay Serves via HKG, i.e., the total possible who could be served via HKG from BOS.
 
Holy cow, this announcement sure came out of the blue! Such great news for Boston and the whole metro area! Way to go, MassPort!
 
mass88 said:
Wow is all I have to say. Boston went from having zero flights to Asia to adding 3 year round flights in roughly 3 years.

The unfortunate thing is that this bird will never be seen in the daylight at Boston.
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Four if you count Dubai.
 
In other news, Emirates will be officially departing from a JetBlue gate in terminal C in September. They will still have to arrive in C.

They will also have a lounge near Gate 19 in terminal C. It wasn't clear if it will be "The Emirates Lounge"
 
adamh8297 said:
In other news, Emirates will be officially departing from a JetBlue gate in terminal C in September. They will still have to arrive in C.

They will also have a lounge near Gate 19 in terminal C. It wasn't clear if it will be "The Emirates Lounge"
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If you're planning on loading a 777 in the old United gate area, you'd better have more seating. That was cramped for 737s to Chicago.

Frankly, I bet this is just for the next couple of years until the connector and E expansion are done. Then they'll go back to E - they've talked about A380s, and that's only possible at E.
 
Arlington said:
I think we half-discussed this upthread, noting that JAL will now have a plane sitting at BOS for ~20 hours (from its afternoon arrival until its noontime departure the next day).

Is having an aircraft sit like that a "sign of" something? Believing that all the connecting $ are worth leaving a beautiful plane so pitifully idle? Essentially, every passenger on every NRT-BOS r/t is paying for 3 planes: the two they fly on and the one that sat there in BOS doing nothing just to get them a convenient time.

Is it desperation? Or that "Boston is worth it?"

When domestic "spokes" get their RON (remain over night) it is a sign that the "day" from the hub at been maxed and that the "fringes of the day" and the local market departing on day trips from the spoke were the last frontier to be tapped. kinda?
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Is it possible for JAL to lease the plane to one of their US partners for 20 horus so that it can be operated on a US round trip and be back in time for the Asia flight?
 
Equilibria said:
If you're planning on loading a 777 in the old United gate area, you'd better have more seating. That was cramped for 737s to Chicago.

Frankly, I bet this is just for the next couple of years until the connector and E expansion are done. Then they'll go back to E - they've talked about A380s, and that's only possible at E.
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You would think it would be temporary but its probably a good use of gate space. Here's the following list of departures in C around that time you would get to Logan to board an Emirates flight. It shouldn't be too crowded considering all of terminal C especially after 10pm. I took these off the Logan current departures list.

Denver 8:30
Baltimore 8:30
JFK 8:34
Newark 8:41
Seattle 8:59
DC National 8:59
Raleigh 9:07
Orlando 9:10
Santo Domingo DR 10:12
Santiago DR - 10:35
San Juan 11:59PM
+ 5 Cape Air Flights with

It would make sense to move Turkish Airlines as well.
 
Massport has released the numbers for July.

Total airport passengers through July - 18,182,735 (up 4.6% over 2013)
Total domestic passengers through July - 15,302,350 (up 4.0% over 2013)
Total international passengers through July - 2,826,003 (up 8.0% over 2013)
Total passengers for July - 3,137,087 (up 5.8% over 2013)
Total domestic passengers for July - 2,568,869 (up 4.1% over 2013)
Total international passengers for July - 559,310 (up 14.2% over 2013)

Average load to Asia - 175 passengers (JAL and Hainan)
Average load to Middle East - 231 passengers (Emirates and Turkish)
Cope average load - 110 passengers (I think their best month from a load perspective)
Average load to Europe - 218 passengers

My math could be off, but I think JAL and Hainan combined had a load factor of 88% for the month.

There's no reason why Logan should not top 31 million passengers this year.
 
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Question: Has JetBlue finished renovating/revamping the old United gates in C?
 
mass88 said:
Massport has released the numbers for July.

Total airport passengers through July - 18,182,735 (up 4.6% over 2013)
Total domestic passengers through July - 15,302,350 (up 4.0% over 2013)
Total international passengers through July - 2,826,003 (up 8.0% over 2013)
Total passengers for July - 3,137,087 (up 5.8% over 2013)
Total domestic passengers for July - 2,568,869 (up 4.1% over 2013)
Total international passengers for July - 559,310 (up 14.2% over 2013)

Average load to Asia - 175 passengers (JAL and Hainan)
Average load to Middle East - 231 passengers (Emirates and Turkish)
Cope average load - 110 passengers (I think their best month from a load perspective)
Average load to Europe - 218 passengers

My math could be off, but I think JAL and Hainan combined had a load factor of 88% for the month.

There's no reason why Logan should not top 31 million passengers this year.
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Math is right on the Asia flights.

There may have been a couple of one offs for Middle East and Central America since the total flights should have been 124 and 62. Still it appears to be a good month for all three airlines.
 
JAL has announced their reconfiguration of the 788 fleet including the addition of SkySuite business class seats and a Premium Economy cabin. Notably, they are maintaining Economy configuration 8-abreast 2-4-2, a stark contrast from other 787 operators (including rival ANA) who are opting for the 9-abreast 3-3-3 configuration.

Overall looks very nice and will be deployed initially on the New York JFK and Frankfurt routes.

http://press.jal.co.jp/en/release/201409/003069.html
 
LH421 said:
JAL has announced their reconfiguration of the 788 fleet including the addition of SkySuite business class seats and a Premium Economy cabin. Notably, they are maintaining Economy configuration 8-abreast 2-4-2, a stark contrast from other 787 operators (including rival ANA) who are opting for the 9-abreast 3-3-3 configuration.

Overall looks very nice and will be deployed initially on the New York JFK and Frankfurt routes.

http://press.jal.co.jp/en/release/201409/003069.html
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Hopefully Boston gets the bump to 787-9 with a similar configuration at least in the summer months.
 
While it's not Logan that's getting this addition I thought I would be better to post here than make a new thread.

It seems that Providence is finally getting that flight to Europe it's been after for so long, Condor is starting biweekly flights to Frankfurt using a 259 seat 767 airliner.

So do we think this flight's going to last in the long run? One would think they'd need to fly more frequently to really capture more travellers, who would otherwise use Logan due to it having more service. But other than that, I'd like to be optimistic about this.

http://www.abc6.com/story/26426921/tf-green-to-offer-flights-to-europe-for-1st-time
 
deh74 said:
While it's not Logan that's getting this addition I thought I would be better to post here than make a new thread.

It seems that Providence is finally getting that flight to Europe it's been after for so long, Condor is starting biweekly flights to Frankfurt using a 259 seat 767 airliner.

So do we think this flight's going to last in the long run? One would think they'd need to fly more frequently to really capture more travellers, who would otherwise use Logan due to it having more service. But other than that, I'd like to be optimistic about this.

http://www.abc6.com/story/26426921/tf-green-to-offer-flights-to-europe-for-1st-time
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The last attempt to slip an international destination between BOS and NYC was the NW/KL flight from Hartford BDL to Amsterdam, which may have died because it was a very "business" market (Insurance - ING - Aetna) but could never be served with frequency/redundancy. That even Delta hasn't tried to re-start it (or even a BDL-CDG), says that "the majors" are solely focused on pushing folks to NYC or BOS.

The Condor attempt is at least different. Low cost, and probably very clear that if a customer cares about frequency, this isn't the flight for them. And FRA is bigger than AMS, so that helps.

They appear to be trying to be the "Spirit" or "Allegiant" in the market, targeting a market less demanding than even that served by Iceland Air. (but FRA is much bigger than Iceland)
 
Are they going to pre-clear in Frankfurt? Providence doesn't have much immigration/customs capability.
 
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