MA Casino Developments

7 News (WHDH) just posted this render to accompany an article about Revere's vote today on Suffolk Downs.
Article: http://www.whdh.com/story/24813604/revere-votes-tuesday-on-possible-casino-resort

Was this ever posted?

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2 roads going in and out of the casino. They should have showed in the rendering Bumper to bumper traffic because that will be the reality for this area.
 
2 roads going in and out of the casino. They should have showed in the rendering Bumper to bumper traffic because that will be the reality for this area.
You're always on here complaining about NIMBY behavior. What are YOU doing right now? Being a NIMBY because this inconveniences you.


Albeit, I'm not a fan of Casinos either, but we have some serious infrastructure issues here in the Commonwealth. The upgrades around Route 1A are needed badly. Sometimes you just have to bite the bullet.
 
2 roads going in and out of the casino. They should have showed in the rendering Bumper to bumper traffic because that will be the reality for this area.

Riff - Riff --- Rifff -- your piece is fouling again -- clean the barrel before your load the next round ---these Resort Casino places are into continuous demand not much for peak -- other that an occasional big name show if they plan to have a big theater

On the other hand -- Suffolk Downs used to generate substantial peak crowds for major races particularly the MassCap
Seabiscuit and jockey Johnny “Red” Pollard did not disappoint the throng of over 40,000 that was present to see them, winning the race in record time.

a few other big crowds included the Beatles and the return of the MassCap in 2007

now-a-days Suffolk and Wonderland occasional host a hotdog safari and some camping gear demos and a few other things that generate peak traffic

Overall -- I seriously doubt that the Casino would be generating any bumper-to-bumper jams
 
Does anyone has a site plan, or pictures of the planned infrastructure upgrades in and around this area?
 
in particular, what happens to all of the horse barns now in Revere? Does the track just shut down without them?
 
Well, at least the Revere side of the property is a little more convenient to public transportation and the casino will have a view of the track instead of a view of a tank farm. That should make it slightly less of a bleak and dismal experience. I guess some people might be confused by getting off at Beachmont rather than Suffolk Downs. There is also the opportunity to make Winthrop Ave a nicer pedestrian experience. Maybe some retail and restaurants opening to the street?? (My expectations are extremely low on that happening)
Does anyone has a site plan, or pictures of the planned infrastructure upgrades in and around this area?
This "Friends of Suffolk Downs" website has some information....
http://friendsofsuffolkdowns.com/transportation
 
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Perfect world for me would be a Wynn at Suffolk Downs...thoughts?

I would tend to agree with this, if we are going to have a casino in the metro boston area, I would like to see it done by a major player in the casino game. I just feel that we'll wind up with a better product that will do more for the city. I have nothing to support this but gut feeling.
 
I hope some details come out. For me, now that both have public approval it breaks down this way.

1) if Suffolk Downs promises to keep horse racing then Suffolk, while Everett site likely stays a chemical dump.

2) If no guarantee of horse racing (which effectively means its gone), then Wynn in Everett and Suffolk becomes future Olympic Village/Innovation District/soccer stadium/ residential utopia/etc.
 
What exactly actually will be the criteria for choosing a winner among these two bids?

Everett clearly has greater community support. Does that matter?

Does the commission really need to take into account whether or not horse racing continues at SD?

Are they meant to place more emphasis on the operators or on the site (transit, traffic, design, etc)?
 
I hope some details come out. For me, now that both have public approval it breaks down this way.

1) if Suffolk Downs promises to keep horse racing then Suffolk, while Everett site likely stays a chemical dump.

2) If no guarantee of horse racing (which effectively means its gone), then Wynn in Everett and Suffolk becomes future Olympic Village/Innovation District/soccer stadium/ residential utopia/etc.

Interesting theory. I've never considered the fact that the gaming commission might value horse racing so much that they would turn down Wynn on that basis. I will say that having two operators vying for one license should give the commission some leverage to squeeze a few more concessions out of each developer.

I think the Mohegan's are something of a wild card here. Wynn - from my perspective - is one of the best - if not the best - casino developers/operators in the world. He was such a cut-above Ceasars that I really thought the gaming commission would have a hard time turning down Wynn if the Eastie vote had passed with Ceasars as the operator. Mohegan is a substantially better financial position than Ceasars and they have had a reasonably good track record working with local governments in Connecticut and Pennsylvania. Their presence, plus the horse racing angle might give Suffolk Downs the edge.

On a related note, is anybody really surprised about the Revere vote? I know that there was a lot of speculation that an organized anti-casino effort might prevail here, but I can't say I wasn't terribly surprised by the numbers. Some people will argue about the amount of money that the Mohegan group spent and political strong-arming, but frankly those existing in East Boston in November, and the neighborhood was still able to prevail. It should also be noted that based on what I saw on twitter, this proposal won big in all wards, including Ward 1, where the track is located.

I don't think it was an accident that the casino opposition organized their November fight around East Boston and tended to mention Revere only in passing. There seems to be a sentiment about Revere that bubbles under the surface of these conversations, but nobody wants to talk about openly. So I'll say it:
A city whose economy has historically been centered on horse racing, dog racing, and beach-side amusements is probably going to be okay with casino gambling.

Does anybody disagree with that statement?
 
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I think the wild card in the Commission's Suffolk v. Everett decision is going to be the environmental issues with the Everett site. Even if the site can be properly cleaned up (which for the right amount of money, it certainly could be) what if the site cleanup will take 2 years or more? How will the Commission feel about the Eastern Mass operator not opening its casino until 2020 or so when Suffolk could be up and running years earlier. That's a lot of lost revenue. And what happens if the Everett site cleanup takes longer than expected? I know nothing about site cleanup but I really think that is going to be one of the bigger issues.
 
Interesting theory. I've never considered the fact that the gaming commission might value horse racing so much that they would turn down Wynn on that basis. I will say that having two operators vying for one license should give the commission some leverage to squeeze a few more concessions out of each developer.

I don't know the criteria and it definitely isn't a concrete (at least publically) tally. My personal thinking is I'd like a world class and historic race track to continue if given the option.
My potential read on the commission is, why would you knowingly destroy a industry employing several hundred on site and thousands more through support (breeders, trainers, etc.) to get barely a net jobs pay back and keep a large portion of the Mystic waterfront a chemical wasteland. Suffolk has a non-gaming future if the casino and track vanish. The Wynn site does not.
 
You people are dreaming. Revere and E.Boston are connected so there will be a lawsuit from the residents of E.Boston.

The investors involved with the Suffolk and Wonderland are probably the most powerful people in the state. They own the land and they are pushing to find any loop hole possible to put the casino in this area.

The Infrastructure is completely outdated in this area. Actually the infrastructure in the state is becoming very outdated in general.

This is a slap in the face for the residents of E.Boston as the politicans are saying we get our way anyways so kiss our ass.

The problem Revere and Everett face is the Casino effects all the surrounding towns and will cause major traffic issues along with small restaurants and businesses will struggle to compete with the inside of the casino's retail businesses especially with their comp points.

The gambling bill needs to go back on the ballot so everybody can voice their opinion because it effects everybody not just REVERE AND EVERETT. The taxpayers will be stuck with the massive infrastructure upgrades along with dealing with the everyday issues.
 
2) If no guarantee of horse racing (which effectively means its gone), then Wynn in Everett and Suffolk becomes future Olympic Village/Innovation District/soccer stadium/ residential utopia/etc.

On the Olympic front, why would that be mutually exclusive with keeping Suffolk a horse track? There are plenty of Equestrian events at the Olympics, after all.
 
On the Olympic front, why would that be mutually exclusive with keeping Suffolk a horse track? There are plenty of Equestrian events at the Olympics, after all.

None of the Olympic equestrian events are horse racing, so they don't need a track. Jumping, eventing, and dressage can be held in any generic park. In a theoretical Boston Olympics, Suffolk Downs would likely be a key location for a new stadium of Olympic Village development.
 
Oympics in the Innovation District. I can see it now. The silverline Bus is on overload. LOL...........Almost laughable. I don't see Boston as a capable host for the Olympics.

I actually see more of a security and safety risk for the city of Boston.
 

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