MA Casino Developments

So what Olympic Events will be hosted in Revere?
#1 Beach Obstacles on a dirty Beach
#2 Running down the street with the neighbors TV down Shirley Ave.
#3 Driving up and down Broadway Revere in a convertible.
 
TheRifleman said:
So what [] Events will be hosted in Revere?
#1 Beach Obstacles on a dirty Beach
#2 Running down the street with the neighbors TV down Shirley Ave.
#3 Driving up and down Broadway Revere in a convertible.
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Its prejudices like these that keep affordable what is actually a fairly decent beach populated with fairly decent people. I'm not sure I want to change your mind.
 
Arlington said:
Its prejudices like these that keep affordable what is actually a fairly decent beach populated with fairly decent people. I'm not sure I want to change your mind.
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Don't, the last thing I want to worry about while enjoying my roast beef and lying in the sun is Rif wandering around. Anyone who complains about Revere being sub par has never been to north jersey's beaches.
 
Regarding driving to the proposed Everett site.
Unless I'm mistaken, anyone driving to this site (without exception) will eventually have to either come through:
A.) Sullivan Square
B.) Rt.16 (from either direction)
C.) a very small few will drive through the Chelsea/Everett industrial space between Dexter and Williams/Beacham Streets.

Am I missing anything?
 
Sounds right to me, unless Wynn is planning to build a bridge over the railroad to the Target/Costco shopping center (and if he is, I haven't heard of such plans yet)
 
Thanks Ron,
As much as I'd like to see the Everett site get cleaned up, my opinion is that potential traffic problems at the Everett site might be worse than the Revere site - and not because the Everett site lacks the Blue Line (b/c I do not know how many folks will chose the T to get to a resort Casino).

In my experience, Sullivan Square and Rt. 16 both get bogged down as it is. At the roundabouts at each end of 99, traffic can on occasion hit a breaking point, where traffic gets stuck in all directions and things simply do not move. While I agree with Wii that routine resort traffic should not be a major concern, my fear would be that these rare occasions of severe traffic jams would increase during special events.

Further - the location at present, across from a power plant and some of the heaviest, dirtiest industry in Mass, just doesn't seem to fit a Winn Casino.

Revere is no Native American reserve - but it I believe it does have better road, and certainly better T access, and the site has a bit more to offer (marginally) in terms of general surroundings, than Everett.
 
I might be willing to support an Everett casino if Wynn were forced to build (or finance) a pedestrian bridge over the Mystic River to Assembly Square station. With such a bridge, it would be only an 1100 foot walk from T station to casino.
 
Ron Newman said:
I might be willing to support an Everett casino if Wynn were forced to build (or finance) a pedestrian bridge over the Mystic River to Assembly Square station. With such a bridge, it would be only an 1100 foot walk from T station to casino.
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Let's be realistic here. The Wynn is going to be a high stakes casino. How many people are really taking the T there? I think even suggesting that 5% of the casino patrons will arrive/depart by T that is around a quarter mile walk away from the casino is a gross exaggeration. The numbers, at least during peak travel times, will be miniscule. Even when they have shows, the vast majority of people don't shell out $200 for tickets and take the T followed by a walk which could be pretty brutal depending on the time of year.
 
BosDevelop said:
Let's be realistic here. The Wynn is going to be a high stakes casino. How many people are really taking the T there? I think even suggesting that 5% of the casino patrons will arrive/depart by T that is around a quarter mile walk away from the casino is a gross exaggeration. The numbers, at least during peak travel times, will be miniscule. Even when they have shows, the vast majority of people don't shell out $200 for tickets and take the T followed by a walk which could be pretty brutal depending on the time of year.
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That is insanely untrue. Just because it's "high stakes" you think only rich people are going to show up, coming in their black chauffeured towncars?

High stakes or not, this will be a magnet for students, people living in T-accessible neighborhoods who (gasp) may not have cars or (gasp) may prefer not to drive, event crowds, and employees. The bridge to Assembly would be a very worthwhile investment.
 
BosDevelop said:
Let's be realistic here. The Wynn is going to be a high stakes casino. How many people are really taking the T there? I think even suggesting that 5% of the casino patrons will arrive/depart by T that is around a quarter mile walk away from the casino is a gross exaggeration. The numbers, at least during peak travel times, will be miniscule. Even when they have shows, the vast majority of people don't shell out $200 for tickets and take the T followed by a walk which could be pretty brutal depending on the time of year.
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I agree. Casino Transt is for employees (and Wynn needn't do much more than a bus shelter or employee shuttle).

Casinos are controlled cocooned worlds--destinations unto themselves. As such, they mostly thrive in isolation--or certainly would be skeptical of paying for pedestrian or transit connectivity.
 
Casino's also usually have a couple clubs/bars in them. I think the crowd interested in going to the casino's for the clubs would definitely be interested in taking the T to get there, more so to get back.
 
bobthebuilder said:
Casino's also usually have a couple clubs/bars in them. I think the crowd interested in going to the casino's for the clubs would definitely be interested in taking the T to get there, more so to get back.
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They might be interested in the Casino, but is the Casino interested in them? Wynn is not coming to town to be just another transit-accessible gin joint. There's just no overlap between high-rollers and people who think the T is the right conveyance to arrive and gamble in style.

In every way he can, Wynn is going to send the message that if you're coming to his Casino, you need to be a high-roller, or at least think of yourself as one. This is incompatible with "and then I'll take the T home". If you can't afford $20 for a cab home, he can't afford to waste a seat at the blackjack table on you.

If Wynn is doing things right, he'll be sending the vibe:Coming to the Casino is like The Prom, rent a limo with friends, or lose enough, and I'll send you home in my limo, the lowest demographic he'll target would lose some, share a cab home. (or, having lost it all, call a friend or walk a loooong way).

It is simply not a T Pass kinda destination.
 
Arlington said:
They might be interested in the Casino, but is the Casino interested in them? Wynn is not coming to town to be just another transit-accessible gin joint. There's just no overlap between high-rollers and people who think the T is the right conveyance to arrive and gamble in style.

In every way he can, Wynn is going to send the message that if you're coming to his Casino, you need to be a high-roller, or at least think of yourself as one. This is incompatible with "and then I'll take the T home". If you can't afford $20 for a cab home, he can't afford to waste a seat at the blackjack table on you.

If Wynn is doing things right, he'll be sending the vibe:Coming to the Casino is like The Prom, rent a limo with friends, or lose enough, and I'll send you home in my limo, the lowest demographic he'll target would lose some, share a cab home. (or, having lost it all, call a friend or walk a loooong way).

It is simply not a T Pass kinda destination.
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Bostonians in general are used to taking the T to get around, especially to events. Are you really suggesting that people who use the T to go everywhere already are going to not do that just because thay are going to the casino?
 
davem said:
Bostonians in general are used to taking the T to get around, especially to events. Are you really suggesting that people who use the T to go everywhere already are going to not do that just because thay are going to the casino?
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Steve Wynn doesn't want you in his Casino when you are in a "people in general take the T" workaday-commute mood, he wants you in a money-sexy-happiness mood.

The T is great for the everyday, but as for his business, Wynn doesn't care about transit-dependent populations, doesn't need them, didn't site his Casino to attract them, hasn't suggested that transit is a precondition, and is unlikely to believe that facilitating transit connectivity is in any interest of his except recruiting employees.

Wynn doesn't need to be on a T-line {to beat Foxwoods}, he just needs to be as close as a cab ride.
 
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choo said:
I don't know the criteria and it definitely isn't a concrete (at least publically) tally. My personal thinking is I'd like a world class and historic race track to continue if given the option.
My potential read on the commission is, why would you knowingly destroy a industry employing several hundred on site and thousands more through support (breeders, trainers, etc.) to get barely a net jobs pay back and keep a large portion of the Mystic waterfront a chemical wasteland. Suffolk has a non-gaming future if the casino and track vanish. The Wynn site does not.
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Choo -- here's my take -- Wynn get's the Casino in Everett after some further concessions on the clean-up, public access to the Mystic and highway / CR improvements

Suffolk get's a consolation prize of enhanced "horse racing related" gambling which will ultimately evolve into something that looks a whole lot like a slots parlor without ever being called such

The remainder of the Suffolk site is land banked to be the Olympic Village to later become a new mid-rise neighborhood of 10,000 or so, Wonderland goes Office and Hotels
 
Arlington, you've made your point and the rhetoric is getting ridiculous. Instead of putting words into Steve Wynn's mouth constantly, why don't you cite some sources where he actually says that he's not focused on being transit accessible instead of spewing out rhetoric and speaking on behalf of Steve Wynn?
 
If the T is somehow not fit for well-dressed people seeking entertainment, then who are all those folks who take it to get to Symphony Hall and the various theatres in town?

The cities and state, if they have the political will, can force Wynn to provide appropriate transit connections, in order to reduce the new venue's impact on local traffic.
 
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